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		<title>By: monaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>monaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 23:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we all agree, decrease subsidies untill the car co&#039;s meet consumer demand and are env more responsible.

end import taxes and LCT, and this will make the Aus Co&#039;s stop ripping people off and charge cars for what they are worth. The car industry in AU the 70 000 people involved in it, are doomed anyway, why should 20 Mil people pay more for cars and suffer because of them? A Fair Go would be nice.. AU is already becoming one of the most expensive places in the world to live in, the big business and the government need to stop conning us and robbing us with unfair prices for goods. Exmple Porshce 911 in USA - $77K in Aus $220... how can this be fair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we all agree, decrease subsidies untill the car co&#8217;s meet consumer demand and are env more responsible.</p>
<p>end import taxes and LCT, and this will make the Aus Co&#8217;s stop ripping people off and charge cars for what they are worth. The car industry in AU the 70 000 people involved in it, are doomed anyway, why should 20 Mil people pay more for cars and suffer because of them? A Fair Go would be nice.. AU is already becoming one of the most expensive places in the world to live in, the big business and the government need to stop conning us and robbing us with unfair prices for goods. Exmple Porshce 911 in USA &#8211; $77K in Aus $220&#8230; how can this be fair?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well for me SIZE MATTERS,
I Would never buy a tiny hard riding rice burner, I live in the country and I need a big car for the kind of driving and distances I do.
if you live in the city then you probably dont need a car at all as there is pleanty of public transport.
Australia is not Europe or Asia give ma a muscle car any day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well for me SIZE MATTERS,<br />
I Would never buy a tiny hard riding rice burner, I live in the country and I need a big car for the kind of driving and distances I do.<br />
if you live in the city then you probably dont need a car at all as there is pleanty of public transport.<br />
Australia is not Europe or Asia give ma a muscle car any day.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem is both GMH and FORD in Australia are American owned and we all know how concerned American manufacturesrs are with lighter bodied fuel efficent cars.
Both companies have fostered upon us with each new car more power more weight with no regard for fuel economy.Go into a showroom and ask for a locally produced FORD/GMH diesel car.They are 20 years behind most European and Japanese car makers. Why should the Australian taxpayer prop up an industry that cannot meet what the consumer demands. They either get with it or go the way of the dinosaurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem is both GMH and FORD in Australia are American owned and we all know how concerned American manufacturesrs are with lighter bodied fuel efficent cars.<br />
Both companies have fostered upon us with each new car more power more weight with no regard for fuel economy.Go into a showroom and ask for a locally produced FORD/GMH diesel car.They are 20 years behind most European and Japanese car makers. Why should the Australian taxpayer prop up an industry that cannot meet what the consumer demands. They either get with it or go the way of the dinosaurs.</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats happening to Australian car maunfactuering happened here (UK) 30years ago. We diversified subsequently and now manufacture Japanese cars here. The Nissan Dualis (Quashqai here) is built in the UK and exported to Japan and the rest of the world. A japanese manufacturing plant is being set up to produce the Dualis laocally in order to meet demand.
There will always be a manufacturing base in Australia. Whoever is at the top of Ford/Holden/Mitsubishi can&#039;t be very bright by just soldiering on building cars people don&#039;t want. Why do they only build big cars WHY don&#039;t they build the smaller cars in demand. It smacks of incompetance locally.
Reading the comments above it seems there is SO much demand for small cars that people will buy just about anything. Holden should definetely have the Euro Corsa on therir fleet.
Ian - I noticed when I was there  that comparably Australian market cars did have less kit, however new prices are nearly the same but say a holden commodore was less than the UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats happening to Australian car maunfactuering happened here (UK) 30years ago. We diversified subsequently and now manufacture Japanese cars here. The Nissan Dualis (Quashqai here) is built in the UK and exported to Japan and the rest of the world. A japanese manufacturing plant is being set up to produce the Dualis laocally in order to meet demand.<br />
There will always be a manufacturing base in Australia. Whoever is at the top of Ford/Holden/Mitsubishi can&#8217;t be very bright by just soldiering on building cars people don&#8217;t want. Why do they only build big cars WHY don&#8217;t they build the smaller cars in demand. It smacks of incompetance locally.<br />
Reading the comments above it seems there is SO much demand for small cars that people will buy just about anything. Holden should definetely have the Euro Corsa on therir fleet.<br />
Ian &#8211; I noticed when I was there  that comparably Australian market cars did have less kit, however new prices are nearly the same but say a holden commodore was less than the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is cheaper to produce cars overseas, just as it is to but T shirts and trainers. Lets focus on what we are good at (that the other counties cannot do), earn the money from that and buy their cheap cars rather than subsidising overseas operators and complanies to hire a few aussie jobs (when there is a skills shortage).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is cheaper to produce cars overseas, just as it is to but T shirts and trainers. Lets focus on what we are good at (that the other counties cannot do), earn the money from that and buy their cheap cars rather than subsidising overseas operators and complanies to hire a few aussie jobs (when there is a skills shortage).</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 04:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank god Aaron and Jack brought some logic to the discussion. When are the rest of you import loving self loathers going to be satisfied? When we&#039;re all driving tinny asian front wheel drives?- all highly subsidised of course - and shipping raw materials overseas to bring it back as manufactured goods?

The cap-backwards crew will always squeal but our big cars are arguably the best in the world as confirmed by the head of Toyota Australia (John Conomos)when he stated that Facons and Commodores represented &#039;remarkable quality and value for money&#039; 

It was only a few years ago when Ford Oz were making record profits with the BA and if you look at the top selling cars for the past ten years, its Commodore and Falcon. 

I agree that they could be doing more - especially with LPG and diesel but what&#039;s so brilliant about the imports. Why did Nissan go broke and is now owned by Renault? Why is Mitsubishi still teetering? Why has Toyota dropped below Ford and GM in the quality ratings?

And why are people rushing headlong into small cars. COME ON - the human being is a natural tight-arse. Even though petrol is cheaper than bread milk and food in general, Aussies have been brought up to whinge about petrol prices - and they will sacrifice comfort, safety, versatility, jobs for their kids and pride in local product if they can save 5 bucks at the petrol pump. Always have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank god Aaron and Jack brought some logic to the discussion. When are the rest of you import loving self loathers going to be satisfied? When we&#8217;re all driving tinny asian front wheel drives?- all highly subsidised of course &#8211; and shipping raw materials overseas to bring it back as manufactured goods?</p>
<p>The cap-backwards crew will always squeal but our big cars are arguably the best in the world as confirmed by the head of Toyota Australia (John Conomos)when he stated that Facons and Commodores represented &#8216;remarkable quality and value for money&#8217; </p>
<p>It was only a few years ago when Ford Oz were making record profits with the BA and if you look at the top selling cars for the past ten years, its Commodore and Falcon. </p>
<p>I agree that they could be doing more &#8211; especially with LPG and diesel but what&#8217;s so brilliant about the imports. Why did Nissan go broke and is now owned by Renault? Why is Mitsubishi still teetering? Why has Toyota dropped below Ford and GM in the quality ratings?</p>
<p>And why are people rushing headlong into small cars. COME ON &#8211; the human being is a natural tight-arse. Even though petrol is cheaper than bread milk and food in general, Aussies have been brought up to whinge about petrol prices &#8211; and they will sacrifice comfort, safety, versatility, jobs for their kids and pride in local product if they can save 5 bucks at the petrol pump. Always have done.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jack is exactly right iv just come from living in europe and the standards of cars are no better than here in fact in some cases much worse they have all the same issues as us and have a fiercly protective auto industry wherever you go if you go to france its only citreons and renault, germany bmw, audi,etc , italy fiat and so on why are we the only country not to have pride in our own produce we should be bying australian and keeping the money in our country where it benefits us so that industries can prosper like the big foreign corporatios that dont give a rats arse about australia believe me i know first hand</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jack is exactly right iv just come from living in europe and the standards of cars are no better than here in fact in some cases much worse they have all the same issues as us and have a fiercly protective auto industry wherever you go if you go to france its only citreons and renault, germany bmw, audi,etc , italy fiat and so on why are we the only country not to have pride in our own produce we should be bying australian and keeping the money in our country where it benefits us so that industries can prosper like the big foreign corporatios that dont give a rats arse about australia believe me i know first hand</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disagree fellas!

Why should Australia be the nation to lower its tarrifs so excessively?*

What of the other manufacturing nations?  Is it easy, say, to import a car to Japan from anywhere else?  As far as I know, they keep their subsidised walls high, impenetrable so their domestic industry can thrive.  Germans?  Subsidised.

Tried to compete against the Americans on agricultrural produce, or the EU for that matter?  Let&#039;s destroy our Single Desk, that&#039;ll help &#039;em further!

If we are to destroy our manufacturing capacity in auto manufacturing, textiles, consumer goods, hell, even food, how shall we actually earn currency from other countries?  Mining won&#039;t last at these prices forever, it is extremely cyclical.  What will be left afterward?

Where will your standard of living come from if you cannot, as a country, earn it in the world?  If you destroy auto manufacturing, it will be much harder to reestablish it if needed in the future.

When my parents emigrated, pre-Button plan, there were eight local auto manufacturing companies.  Local produce was lambasted for quality (still is, so what really changed Mr Button?).  And both before and after this our cars were exported.  Now there are four companies.

Arguably they are making the wrong product (but not for most of the populated Australian landmass, which is not urban).  However, perhaps the shrinking in size of consumer car choice can be best correlated to the overall shrinking in average taxpayer earnings - inflation adjusted - taking place since the 1970&#039;s.  If you can&#039;t afford it.......

And the posters above are only too keen to see the number of Aussie manufacturers slip.

Which brings me back to my first question, marked with an * : we were over 95% foreign owned, as a country, at the turn of the millennia.  Of course our foreign owners want Australians to buy their goods, and as they own a great majority of the country, they can enable this through an open market (nearly unique in the industrialised world).  

We will come to a crossroads when it will become patently obvious that our &#039;imported&#039; standard of living cannot be supported by what we earn; and how we will wish for a viable local alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disagree fellas!</p>
<p>Why should Australia be the nation to lower its tarrifs so excessively?*</p>
<p>What of the other manufacturing nations?  Is it easy, say, to import a car to Japan from anywhere else?  As far as I know, they keep their subsidised walls high, impenetrable so their domestic industry can thrive.  Germans?  Subsidised.</p>
<p>Tried to compete against the Americans on agricultrural produce, or the EU for that matter?  Let&#8217;s destroy our Single Desk, that&#8217;ll help &#8216;em further!</p>
<p>If we are to destroy our manufacturing capacity in auto manufacturing, textiles, consumer goods, hell, even food, how shall we actually earn currency from other countries?  Mining won&#8217;t last at these prices forever, it is extremely cyclical.  What will be left afterward?</p>
<p>Where will your standard of living come from if you cannot, as a country, earn it in the world?  If you destroy auto manufacturing, it will be much harder to reestablish it if needed in the future.</p>
<p>When my parents emigrated, pre-Button plan, there were eight local auto manufacturing companies.  Local produce was lambasted for quality (still is, so what really changed Mr Button?).  And both before and after this our cars were exported.  Now there are four companies.</p>
<p>Arguably they are making the wrong product (but not for most of the populated Australian landmass, which is not urban).  However, perhaps the shrinking in size of consumer car choice can be best correlated to the overall shrinking in average taxpayer earnings &#8211; inflation adjusted &#8211; taking place since the 1970&#8242;s.  If you can&#8217;t afford it&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>And the posters above are only too keen to see the number of Aussie manufacturers slip.</p>
<p>Which brings me back to my first question, marked with an * : we were over 95% foreign owned, as a country, at the turn of the millennia.  Of course our foreign owners want Australians to buy their goods, and as they own a great majority of the country, they can enable this through an open market (nearly unique in the industrialised world).  </p>
<p>We will come to a crossroads when it will become patently obvious that our &#8216;imported&#8217; standard of living cannot be supported by what we earn; and how we will wish for a viable local alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they aren&#039;t financially feasible without taxpayer subsidies, let them go bankrupt as soon as possible. I drive imports for a good reason - the quality and overall value of our locals doesn&#039;t come remotely close</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they aren&#8217;t financially feasible without taxpayer subsidies, let them go bankrupt as soon as possible. I drive imports for a good reason &#8211; the quality and overall value of our locals doesn&#8217;t come remotely close</p>
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		<title>By: alborz</title>
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		<dc:creator>alborz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree,
the government is keeping the australian car makers in business by giving them our tax payer money, its not like the Aussie cars are even cheap!
they are expensive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree,<br />
the government is keeping the australian car makers in business by giving them our tax payer money, its not like the Aussie cars are even cheap!<br />
they are expensive!</p>
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