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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 02:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cameron,
the tradition al &quot;6&quot; in the falcon has more torque than you popular 3.0L diesel.

sorry but diesel in these aussie 6&#039;s is a waste of time.
they will return 8.0L at best with a diesel option which would only better the petrol by 2L.

the economics just wouldnt add up</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cameron,<br />
the tradition al &#8220;6&#8243; in the falcon has more torque than you popular 3.0L diesel.</p>
<p>sorry but diesel in these aussie 6&#8217;s is a waste of time.<br />
they will return 8.0L at best with a diesel option which would only better the petrol by 2L.</p>
<p>the economics just wouldnt add up</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 01:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They need to put a 4 pot turbo diesel in these puppies. With the size and weight of these traditional &quot;6s&quot; they need the extra torque that a diesel can provide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They need to put a 4 pot turbo diesel in these puppies. With the size and weight of these traditional &#8220;6s&#8221; they need the extra torque that a diesel can provide.</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how stupid are these CAFE laws.  There going to wreck the whole Car industry.  V8&#039;s will be gone and so will be rear wheel drive cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how stupid are these CAFE laws.  There going to wreck the whole Car industry.  V8&#8217;s will be gone and so will be rear wheel drive cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And I bet it would still be mated to a 4 sp slushbox&quot;.

Bret, No it wouldnt it would be mated to a 5 speed minimum like on the SV6!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And I bet it would still be mated to a 4 sp slushbox&#8221;.</p>
<p>Bret, No it wouldnt it would be mated to a 5 speed minimum like on the SV6!</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4 pot turbo! How is that supposed to averse a XR6T! It doesnt! Bring in the turbo 6!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4 pot turbo! How is that supposed to averse a XR6T! It doesnt! Bring in the turbo 6!</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>geez using a turbo to meet cafe fuel regulations sounds a little bit like eco-boost to me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geez using a turbo to meet cafe fuel regulations sounds a little bit like eco-boost to me</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, a highly stressed 2L turbo hauling the VE&#039;s fat ass would be real economical - NOT. And I bet it would still be mated to a 4 sp slushbox.

Andrew M Mk2: yep the &#039;ol &quot;backfire&quot; 4. Described by mechanics as the world&#039;s first disposable engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, a highly stressed 2L turbo hauling the VE&#8217;s fat ass would be real economical &#8211; NOT. And I bet it would still be mated to a 4 sp slushbox.</p>
<p>Andrew M Mk2: yep the &#8216;ol &#8220;backfire&#8221; 4. Described by mechanics as the world&#8217;s first disposable engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M mk2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M mk2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t be the first time a commodore had a 4cyl engine.  In the early 80&#039;s the VC had the &#039;Starfire&#039; 4cyl engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t be the first time a commodore had a 4cyl engine.  In the early 80&#8217;s the VC had the &#8216;Starfire&#8217; 4cyl engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Crummydore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crummydore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading the latest Wheels mag, and it talked about this story but they said it is going to be a Lucerne, not the Lacrosse.

Is anyone able to confirm this.... 

By the way, sounds like a great idea going for a Turbo, another engine option will certainly help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading the latest Wheels mag, and it talked about this story but they said it is going to be a Lucerne, not the Lacrosse.</p>
<p>Is anyone able to confirm this&#8230;. </p>
<p>By the way, sounds like a great idea going for a Turbo, another engine option will certainly help!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no name,
diesel use to be 10cents per litre cheaper here. then it was 10c dearer then 20c dearer and now 30c dearer.

it has actually crept just over the 20% dearer mark now

the way i see it, a diesel falcon or commy wont see figures drop by more than 20 % to cover the extra fuel price cost, let alone cover the cost of initial purchase.

yes the diesels are more drivable, putI&#039;d say only when talking about the smaller vehicles and light trucks.
and why?
because those are the ones that rev their heads off.

the big 6&#039;s we have here are pretty drivable on unleaded.
the falcons I6 has a torque advantage over some popular diesel models dont forget, so they are pretty drivable.

the commy and falcon 6&#039;s dont rev like the 4cyl and jap V6&#039;s. they are a lot calmer and easier to drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no name,<br />
diesel use to be 10cents per litre cheaper here. then it was 10c dearer then 20c dearer and now 30c dearer.</p>
<p>it has actually crept just over the 20% dearer mark now</p>
<p>the way i see it, a diesel falcon or commy wont see figures drop by more than 20 % to cover the extra fuel price cost, let alone cover the cost of initial purchase.</p>
<p>yes the diesels are more drivable, putI&#8217;d say only when talking about the smaller vehicles and light trucks.<br />
and why?<br />
because those are the ones that rev their heads off.</p>
<p>the big 6&#8217;s we have here are pretty drivable on unleaded.<br />
the falcons I6 has a torque advantage over some popular diesel models dont forget, so they are pretty drivable.</p>
<p>the commy and falcon 6&#8217;s dont rev like the 4cyl and jap V6&#8217;s. they are a lot calmer and easier to drive.</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew M - your right there with the consumption figures. My 3.0D Vectra wagon does 7.4&#039;s on a decent run, but for me its more about the engine chracteristics. I also notice that diesel in Australia is about 20% more than petrol thereby reducing the fuel savings somewhat. In the UK its more like 6% more. Apparently your high prices are caused by the Asian demand for diesel rather than petrol which in itself seems strange as diesel pentration in Euroland is about 48% so you&#039;d think things would be a little closer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew M &#8211; your right there with the consumption figures. My 3.0D Vectra wagon does 7.4&#8217;s on a decent run, but for me its more about the engine chracteristics. I also notice that diesel in Australia is about 20% more than petrol thereby reducing the fuel savings somewhat. In the UK its more like 6% more. Apparently your high prices are caused by the Asian demand for diesel rather than petrol which in itself seems strange as diesel pentration in Euroland is about 48% so you&#8217;d think things would be a little closer.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>posidon,
ford and holden look set to deliver a diesel falcon and commodore around the same time.
ford announced 12 months ago that a diesel falcon and territory will be here before 2010.
holdens time line is set for around the same time period.

and now for what i think about a diesel falcon and commodore..........
they are only biting the bullet and putting a diesel in them to sarisfy the publics poor economy of the matter

i mean whats a diesel falcon going to achieve??? 8L/100k
thats only 2L/100k saving. and for what? so you can pay a 5K premium for the vehicle, and also a 30C per litre premium at the bowser?

the only diesel i see worth buying is the jap light trucks,
rodeo, Hilux, Triton etc etc because you will save 6-8L/100K not a piddly 2L.
the jap V6&#039;s chew the juice hence a diesel is warrented

the latest stats out on diesel show they are no longer cheaper to fuel even after you factor in their lower consumption.
a diesel falcon and commy would have to return around 4L/100k to make up for the premiums charged, and quite frankly they aint gonna achieve that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>posidon,<br />
ford and holden look set to deliver a diesel falcon and commodore around the same time.<br />
ford announced 12 months ago that a diesel falcon and territory will be here before 2010.<br />
holdens time line is set for around the same time period.</p>
<p>and now for what i think about a diesel falcon and commodore&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
they are only biting the bullet and putting a diesel in them to sarisfy the publics poor economy of the matter</p>
<p>i mean whats a diesel falcon going to achieve??? 8L/100k<br />
thats only 2L/100k saving. and for what? so you can pay a 5K premium for the vehicle, and also a 30C per litre premium at the bowser?</p>
<p>the only diesel i see worth buying is the jap light trucks,<br />
rodeo, Hilux, Triton etc etc because you will save 6-8L/100K not a piddly 2L.<br />
the jap V6&#8217;s chew the juice hence a diesel is warrented</p>
<p>the latest stats out on diesel show they are no longer cheaper to fuel even after you factor in their lower consumption.<br />
a diesel falcon and commy would have to return around 4L/100k to make up for the premiums charged, and quite frankly they aint gonna achieve that</p>
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		<title>By: Frosty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frosty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment about the Opel Calais being sold in Malaysia which was based on the VS Commodore with Statesman front reminds me of seeing a VN/VP Commodore with Statesman front in Lopburi Thailand and a couple of them in Bangkok all of which had the 2.6 ltr. The only difference was one of them had a Holden Lion badge on them. Also saw some old Holden Hk and HQ Kingswoods over there. In a country full of Pick-ups (Big M/Navara, D Max/Rodeo etc) and scooters these cars stood out like a male dogs private parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comment about the Opel Calais being sold in Malaysia which was based on the VS Commodore with Statesman front reminds me of seeing a VN/VP Commodore with Statesman front in Lopburi Thailand and a couple of them in Bangkok all of which had the 2.6 ltr. The only difference was one of them had a Holden Lion badge on them. Also saw some old Holden Hk and HQ Kingswoods over there. In a country full of Pick-ups (Big M/Navara, D Max/Rodeo etc) and scooters these cars stood out like a male dogs private parts.</p>
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		<title>By: trackdaze</title>
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		<dc:creator>trackdaze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mostly agree with you poison eagle. 
 Although the hybrid camry is a waste of time.  Prius fits that bill for toyota. 

Would like to see stop/start technology in all australian cars.  

The way i see it working and delivering real economy gains in the city would be to essentially use battery power as a first gear adjust the gearing in the gearbox to effectively be  2nd-7th gears (in a 6 speed) and the engine stop/starting at traffic lights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mostly agree with you poison eagle.<br />
 Although the hybrid camry is a waste of time.  Prius fits that bill for toyota. </p>
<p>Would like to see stop/start technology in all australian cars.  </p>
<p>The way i see it working and delivering real economy gains in the city would be to essentially use battery power as a first gear adjust the gearing in the gearbox to effectively be  2nd-7th gears (in a 6 speed) and the engine stop/starting at traffic lights.</p>
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		<title>By: PoisonEagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>PoisonEagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes me happy, to see activity and innovation in our industry- and not to see them copying Ford with their setup. I would be extra happy if Toyota brought out the Camry Hybrid, and Ford gets to market first with diesel, complete with Bosch system that shuts it off at traffic lights. Exciting times ahead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me happy, to see activity and innovation in our industry- and not to see them copying Ford with their setup. I would be extra happy if Toyota brought out the Camry Hybrid, and Ford gets to market first with diesel, complete with Bosch system that shuts it off at traffic lights. Exciting times ahead!</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Holden finally decide to put a Turbo in the Commodore I think it will be an updated/upgraded version of the 
Twin-Turbo 3.6 V6 featured in the TT-36 = 280-300Kw
Twice as much power as the last Turbo Commodore; the VL which not only went but sold exceptionally well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Holden finally decide to put a Turbo in the Commodore I think it will be an updated/upgraded version of the<br />
Twin-Turbo 3.6 V6 featured in the TT-36 = 280-300Kw<br />
Twice as much power as the last Turbo Commodore; the VL which not only went but sold exceptionally well</p>
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		<title>By: Dlr1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dlr1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Holden build a turbo four pot Commodore, wont all the bogans out there have to remove their &quot;Only milk and juice come in two litres&quot; bumper stickers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Holden build a turbo four pot Commodore, wont all the bogans out there have to remove their &#8220;Only milk and juice come in two litres&#8221; bumper stickers?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Dixon-Balls</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Dixon-Balls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>XR6T FTW!</description>
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		<title>By: Erien88</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erien88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm..

I&#039;d say that this is a good thing, will open up the Holden Calais/ Chevrolet Lumina to new, tax-sensitive export markets like Malaysia, Thailand &amp; Singapore (Where the road tax is calculated by engine displacement and which will also lead to more sales in those countries.).

Actually, I&#039;d to see the return of the Chevrolet Lumina LTZ, based on the Calais in Malaysia (My home town.) &amp; Thailand with that 2.0 motor (I mean, 195kw, that&#039;s 265PS from a 2.0 engine!).

For those who didn&#039;t know, Holden made an Opel Calais for export markets (Mainly Malaysia &amp; Singapore) during the mid - late 1990s with the Holden Statesman/ Caprice front end &amp; a 2.6 engine, based on the VS Calais.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm..</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that this is a good thing, will open up the Holden Calais/ Chevrolet Lumina to new, tax-sensitive export markets like Malaysia, Thailand &amp; Singapore (Where the road tax is calculated by engine displacement and which will also lead to more sales in those countries.).</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;d to see the return of the Chevrolet Lumina LTZ, based on the Calais in Malaysia (My home town.) &amp; Thailand with that 2.0 motor (I mean, 195kw, that&#8217;s 265PS from a 2.0 engine!).</p>
<p>For those who didn&#8217;t know, Holden made an Opel Calais for export markets (Mainly Malaysia &amp; Singapore) during the mid &#8211; late 1990s with the Holden Statesman/ Caprice front end &amp; a 2.6 engine, based on the VS Calais.</p>
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		<title>By: Stavro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stavro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bring on The F6310 will crush all the HSV&#039;s</description>
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