Comments on: 2.5 million Toyotas built in Australia

By: PoisonEagle

PoisonEagle — Fri, 02 May 2008 18:15:31 +0000

‘Reality’ or should I say- Dingbat: Comparing BMW to Toyota only demonstrates your cranial haemorrhage- BMW represents exclusivity, fine driving cars, Toyota has a (deteriorating) reputation of reliabilty to trade on (which it does succesfully) which of the two badges has more s*x (damn censor) appeal? Supra (my chariot), 1jz, 2jz, 1uz, ae86, Chaser are all legends but none of that was officially sold here. Fact is, Toyota Austrlaia has only offloaded BORING (read: none of these) cars to suckers and made a mint from it. It takes a really ’special’ person to foam over these offerings. Get real. Hooray for mediocrity= It gives perspective to people with a clue.

By: Bavarian Missile

Bavarian Missile — Fri, 02 May 2008 13:51:26 +0000

There’s a market for everything………just like music! Have to be in the mood for it at the time!

Me listening to Leona Lewis from the Big W……..very romantic like him! Then I had ACDC cranked up in the M3 this arvo……and I love my jazz, Ella Fitzgerald is the queen! Cars are the same!

Like the song says from Leona.
” Here I am “

By: Bavarian Missile

Bavarian Missile — Fri, 02 May 2008 13:12:50 +0000

So I take it Anthony C is Tony C ??? Not what I would have expected from him if thats the case! Mr Crawford I guess thats not you?

By: No Name

No Name — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:41:19 +0000

Exactly my point Joober Thanks. Whilst on that one how many cars did Australian buy last year? Its simply not worth developing specific cars for a minority market. So Australians have to live with either have to live with cheaper Asian cars (Daewoos) Japanese (OK cars) or slightly more expensive cars (superior ha ha) European cars.

By: Joober

Joober — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:01:39 +0000

yep thats right No Name, we who post on this board are enthusiasts and most likely only represent what… 5% population, when we start bagging something e.g. like Toyota, IMO its almost like the classical music lovers bagging the pop music majortiy people and reckon they have no taste in their music because the music lacks substance, beauty in comparison.

By: Naughtyius Maximus

Naughtyius Maximus — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:58:24 +0000

So Yaris and Prius gets awards and Corolla does not. Yet with smart marketting and the fact Toyota have 2 other small cars in Yaris and Prius with awards….this tends to push up rest of Toyota’s range.

By: Naughtyius Maximus

Naughtyius Maximus — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:55:27 +0000

The reason Toyota do well is they have solid cars in range and some do get top of tree and get awards. They then improve or update regularly and still up near top in class. It is this philosophy together with cars that are consistently top of class and they drag other cars in range up that are not top of class as Toyota renowned for solid performers (albeit boring lookers).

By: No Name

No Name — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:43:24 +0000

Hi Emya – you make a point that the Aussie lacks imagination. I personally agree with that but ad the average Aussie. No one here talking in detail is really an ‘average’ person they are more fanatical.
Take Holden situation. everyone likes the Euro bit so Holden bring in a few Euro cars, the Vectra, the Astra, the Barina (Corsa based). The Vectra was discontinued due to poor sales, the Astra is doing reasonably well but not totally loved up, the Barina was chopped in favour of the Deawoo. The Vectra was replaced by a Deawoo, again none of these are loved. Seems to me the ‘average’ Australian is indeed difficult to satisfy. Guess they all want mini Commodors and Falcons. Now they buy reliable Corollas that are cheap to repair.

By: Joober

Joober — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:25:56 +0000

Toyota cars are average and attract the average buyer who want to get to A to B which is the majority of people, as you probably know the market is a bell curve. As Andrew said its cars are mid packed (most likely on purpose) attracting middle curved buyers.

To illustrate how many camrys/Aurions, have aftermarket rims, done up in some way as compared to the number commo’s, Falcons etc. The people who choose a Toyota are generally people who are not into cars ala average joe, and given Toyota’s rep as reliable you can see why its high on the pick.

By: reality

reality — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:24:47 +0000

Maybe by placing the cars they make in the middle of the pack is what allows Toyota to sell so many cars. Being the best for one reason or another will always engender some kind of compromise that alienates a large proportion of buyers. Take BMW as an example. Great cars in most respects but most reviewers complain that ride on anything but the smoothest roads, a rarity in Australia, is a pain due to the run flats. Throw in a price that is fairly steep and a long list of expensive options and most people, who don’t have the dough, will not even look at it. On the other side of the price scale are the cheap brands from Korea. They are great value, no question, but they still suffer from the same stigma that Toyota suffered from back in the seventies ie not built to last. Probably undeserved now but they will just have to let time pass to prove themselves like Toyota has. By straddling both ends of the scale, Toyota covers a larger area of buyer demographics. Who knows for how long this will remain the case but love them or hate them, they are where they are because they did something right.

By: Eyma Teapot

Eyma Teapot — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:41:41 +0000

Andrew M, You make a good point. Toyota are rarely judged best of class among motoring critics yet sell the highest volumn accross just about every segmment. Why? There as boring as a sao biscuit. The reason i think is aussies lack imagination. If its good enough for the Jones’s than it will do me to. Take the Corolla. Anyone who took the time to instead look at the Mazda 3, Hyundai i30, or even the Ford focus could never in their right mind than go with a Corolla! Unless the were truely blinded by the badge. It happens, thats one pretty bloody bright badge man.

By: PoisonEagle

PoisonEagle — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:39:27 +0000

ah sole! me rikey cororra , it make good cook my dog. superbowl happy time number one!

By: toyoda

toyoda — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:00:11 +0000

driving longtime cars i have,toyota happy inside make me,not sure engines supercharge cause crash shuttle i think.

By: 1mantent

1mantent — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:48:27 +0000

who the hell is smokesignals,u musta hit ur head dude.

By: smokesignals

smokesignals — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:45:53 +0000

and the aurion is the best family car full stop,beutifull front wheel drive handling,toyota styling and the ever popular super charged aurion super family car,reliable.

By: smokesignals

smokesignals — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:39:38 +0000

i hear you wig wom i respect toyotas because they were responsible for washing machine technology today,spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin.

By: Golfschwein

Golfschwein — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:35:38 +0000

Yes, Andrew M. :)

By: Andrew M

Andrew M — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:08:53 +0000

Golf,
isnt “ironyng” what TP has to get done before his mum gets home?

By: Andrew M

Andrew M — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:07:02 +0000

Dingo,
you taught me something before i must admitt.
i sat back and thought for a bit and i realised that what you were saying about toyota not wanting to create overlaps in their range with the TRD was probably true.
you just have to look at what they have achieved.
They make a decent sports car and stable it under the Lexus badge, and then as to not detract from the lexus, they make a hopeless sports car and place it under the TRD umbrella. Ta DA!!!!! no over lap

now ill teach you something.
when i said this………

“yes toyotas vehicles are quite commonly placed near top of the tree in their classes, but how do you explain the fact that even their 2 biggest sellers are only perform mid pack in terms of offerings/abilities etc?”

i use my proof as the fact that reviews/tests place majority of toyotas stock at as mid pack stuff for their abilities.
just take toyotas 2 biggest sellers in the corolla and Hilux to name a couple.
neither of them are selling because they offer the best package.
the hilux isnt the best off roader and far far from the best value.
the corolla isnt the most efficient small car and nor is it the best value. in fact, find me a review that places the corolla avove mid pack in its class

By: Naughtyius Maximus

Naughtyius Maximus — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:54:26 +0000

And majority have to realise that testosterone is full on as most on here tunnelvision for one car make and cant think outside that square