Rear-drive ‘Toyobaru’ glimpse
11 Apr, 2008
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Combine the efficiency and cost effectiveness of Toyota with the performance and pedigree of Subaru, and the result is sure to be the next era of low-cost, uncompromising sports cars.
Whilst it has already been revealed that the two brands are collaborating to produce a budget sports model, latest reports reveal each manufacturer will have its own variation on the design.
The final design is due to be approved by July, with production set for 2010. At the moment the only insight into what it could look like is provided in this purportedly official sketch.
The car’s design brief is simple, light weight, rear drive, powerful and most importantly - cheap.
Both marques will utilise Subaru’s 2.0-litre boxer engine, developing at least 130kW in naturally aspirated guise, with the potential for a flagship turbocharged model at a later date.
Reinvigorating the soul of the AE86 Sprinter, the new model will be derived from a smaller and lighter Impreza chassis, minus Subaru’s trademark all-wheel drive system.
However reports speculate that pending success of the new model it could lead to the rebirth of a modern Toyota Celica GT4, with Subaru’s 2.5-litre turbo boxer and all-wheel drive.
Price? Best estimates put the new model on Japanese roads for as little as AUD$21,200.
A drop top edition could also serve as Toyota’s answer to the Mazda MX-5.
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April 11th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
If they can bring it in under $25K, my name will be on the waiting list.
I always wanted to get a Sprinter because I found them so much fun, but the rear hatches had a problem with rust and I couldn’t be arsed getting the tools out if I bought one.
Could this be Toyota’s way back into the WRC? Utilise ProDrive’s engine development in a totally different chassis.
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April 11th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Think price estimate is overly optimistic given Toyota’s habit of overpricing their range. Trust Toyota to cheap skate on the AWD.
Hopefully Subaru continue to offer value for money on their range despite Toyota cost cutting attempts i.e Boxer and standard fairdinkim AWD and high level of standard appointments.
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April 11th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
“Trust Toyota to cheap skate on the AWD”
How so? It is supposed to be RWD. It was never intended to be AWD. Infact making it AWD would defeat the whole purpose.
Personally I love the idea. Looks like it could be, dare I say it, a fun drive.
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April 11th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
IT SHOULD BE CALLED TOYBARU, YEP TP AND DINGO SAME PERSON, WHERE ARE THEY OR HAVE THEY BEEN BANNED……… FINGERS CROSSED…
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April 11th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Id say more then a few car company execs would be worried at this development
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April 11th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I wander what consumers are moving towards… small powerful cars (ie AE86) or petrol guzzling, unreliable & in efficient XR8/SS’
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April 11th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Toyota have a long record for delivering less bang for your buck.
Lets hope they don’t turn Subaru into another whitegoods manufacturer.
Presently Subaru has pizzaz and flair in their unique lineup.
We don’t want another Toymota please!!!!!
Hopefully Toymota will not make everything an option on future Subarus mimicking their own approach to fleecing the gullible.
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April 11th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
I knew Toyota’s interest in Subaru would be a backward step and it looks like this development proves it.
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April 11th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
This is either a great idea or the beginning of the end for Subaru’s unique brand values.
Same basic body for each brand is fine, but the Toyota version should be RWD, and the Subaru should be AWD.
Not sure about Toyota getting the Subaru flat 4. How would it be if a Toyota inline engine appeared in a Subaru?
These guys are treading on thin ice, but with Toyota applying for a doubling of their shareholding in Subaru, who could rule out a long term strategy of eliminating a competitor? Let’s not forget that the Japanese domestic market is in decline, and there’s only so much room for existing players.
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April 11th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Oohh depends on how small it is and powerful, but maybe just maybe in 2010 I will replace my 200sx S15…
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April 11th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Agree CAPT. I am just worried as u are as to how they are going to tinker with the Subaru range. Although 200killer wasps in an Impreza might be ok.
Then again they could be buying out a domestic competitor as Subaru certainly deliver more bang for the buck.Lets face it an Impreza is a lot more car than a Corolla will ever be for your buck buy the time u option up the Corolla to the same level. Perhaps Toyota have done the comparison but aren\’t prepared to reduce their inflated margins.
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April 11th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Zerosignal hold onto your classic 200sx. It is fairly safe to say that Toyota will never produce a classic of that ELK considering they have the AWD tech available from Subaru but aren’t interested in delivering that much value to the consumer(as usual).
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April 11th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
lets all pray that this isn’t the end of Subaru as we know it.
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April 11th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Id be praying this isnt the end of your Ford Falcon Idiotcars… becuase this combination is going to be deadly the crap manufacturers
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April 11th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Fortunately we are all different and not all of us get excited about another “appliance” and possible dumbing down of a successful and unique marque(Subaru).
Wouldn’t the world be especially boring if we all submitted and drove Toyotas!
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April 11th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
TP makes absolutely no sense as usual, and on top of that he can’t spell or punctuate.
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April 11th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
It\’s going to be awesome…. but add taxes, tarriffs, dealer charges and all those other costs that make cars in Australia cost more relatively to everywhere else, and it\’ll be in the 30\’s.
That\’s if they do make it and sell it here.
I still want one.
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April 11th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
I think it is that he is really really angry,Capt.
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April 11th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Dads Army was the best!!!!!!
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April 11th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Why would this be the end of subaru? The 30 billion dollars toyota is paying for the increased share holding can only help subaru continue to develop its unique range.
And whats wrong with RWD? Especially if it keeps the weight down. And the boxer engine is perfectly suited for a light weight rear drive set up.
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April 11th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
I certainly hope u are right DLR1!
Although unfortunately I cannot see the Toyota mantra enhancing the Subaru lineup.
Perhaps Toyota should leave well alone and not mess with an already good thing?
Lets face it, what Toyota has shown us to date is all fairly lack luster to say the least. They have a history of charging top dollar for style and dynamically challenged vehicles.
I don’t see how they could be a good influence upon Subaru in terms of consumer value as they tend to cut what is offered back if anything.
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April 11th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
They have already merged…look at the new Impreza… it looks like the previous generation Camry from the front. Its the first of many more ugly, but good performing cars to come out of the partner ship.
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April 12th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Gibbo, the impreza looks nothing like the previous camry and lets all just be happy that they are going to make another sprinter (although it wont get that name…?) How much fun would it be if they chucked the turbo boxer in that light rear wheel drive…. =)
out of all the manufacturers noone expected something like this from toyota. at least someone is trying to put fun back into small cars…
haha my anti-spam is toyobaru… NOT
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April 12th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Yay!
Perhaps Subaru will be Toyota’s future performance arm, depending on the size of their stake?
Lexus is aimed at luxury, subaru at performance, toyota at mainstream and scion at er… americans :p
Realcars I think we all get your view of the matter, you dont need reiterate it 10 or so times. I doubt toyota will tinker with subaru and how they work, instead I think they are diversifying to be able to widen their target market.
As for sharing the boxer engines, it just comes down to economies of scale… and toyota look like they are going to be trying to take advantage of it.
That being said.. i hope that sketch at the top of the article isnt a concept picture becuase I think that styling looks terrible!
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April 12th, 2008 at 6:48 am
TP……drivel, obsessive stupid idiotic comments like always. Like lets hope they produce a wicked sports car as at the moment Toyota has bland cars and really average look - I like the Aurion, put it beside a Mondeo or more importantly a Mazda 6 and they are light years in front! Boring as shyte!
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April 12th, 2008 at 6:52 am
That is the Aurion lags massively on looks compared to Mazda 6 and Mondeo. Like lets face it, the Toyota look is not cutting edge and design cues are not as svelte and edgy hot as - its too old…..ALREADY! Bit like a red wine that tastes great and gets worse with age! Merlotoyomota! Maybe TP is drunk on it as his spelling is shyte and his comments are bizarre! LOL and he is how educated……LMAO HEAPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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April 12th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Apparently if this car is RWD, Subaru won’t bring it to Australia, as they are committed to a total AWD lineup.
TP I don’t understand how a 2-door RWD sports car costing roughly around $30k would end the life of a $35-$40 RWD 4-door family sedan.
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April 12th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Realcars, couldn’t agree more. I hope Subaru get to maintain their individuality and don’t become bland. I understand their cars aren’t everyone’s taste, but at least we have variety.
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April 12th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Myke they are direct competitiors!
Funny how people reply in their droves to Toyota threads, only one reason…. THREATENED.
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April 12th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Realcars,
Are you freaking crazy? “the only thing toyota has shown us to date…” shut your mouth, only in the last 9 years have they really stopped being “fun” when they killed off the celica and the mr2. were they great cars? thats varies on opinion, i’m personally not a fan of the MR-S, but toyota gave us consistently fun cars for the majority of their run, or have you forgotten the supra, the sprinter, the MR2? the Celica GT-Four?
I will admit toyota has been lackluster lately, with the lexus SC and Altezza being the only remotley sporty things in the lineup. But partnering with subaru, and getting back to their sporty side will be awesome, perhaps they’ll start giving us more badass stuff to drive?
What we’re witnessing here, is awesome. Hopefully with the infusion of subaru, toyota can remember what it was like to make something besides family cars.
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April 12th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
What? TP how can a car with half the amount of doors and less than half the amount of power be a real threat to the Falcon XR? That is like saying the 350Z is stealing sales from a BMW M5.
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April 12th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
youtube.com/watch?v=D5kAV_5oAkg
DoRIFTOOOOOOOOO!!!!
“Lets face it, what Toyota has shown us to date is all fairly lack luster to say the least. ”
Realcars do you have a memory spanning more than 10 years?
I think TP must be referring to the combination of Subaru + Toyota being a deadly combination against ford in the earlier post. Off course this car isn’t going to take Falcon sales
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April 12th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Slightly off topic, but I wish what we were hearing about was the upcoming offspring of Subaru and MAZDA! Imagine that - Subaru’s drivetrain (maybe Mazda’s shift throw), Mazda’s awesome styling. Now that would be worth buying!
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April 12th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
I think it sounds like a brilliant car/idea, the unique sound of a high revving boxer 4 in a modern light weight sports car with rwd or maybe in the subaru version awd, where do i sign, sounds like a lot of fun and with subarus engineering expertise behind it, it will be reliable and cost efficient to service too..
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April 12th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
the only memorable Celica was the TA22. That is a classic especially the twin cam versions we never seen here. Celica gt four good mechanicals in an ugly toyota “organic” body.
They should do a retro of the ta22. that would be a winner.
There u go some creative input for Toyota and I am not charging!! TA22 is a classic use it as others have evil toyota. ha ha ha.
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April 12th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Hey Dingo, I think we are overdue for the Toyota Nascar Stats?
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April 12th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Ford won the last sprint cup race……. sucked in Toyoyoda………
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April 12th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Realcars, Yes the TA22 was a pretty good car in its day (72/73), but what about the ST162 that was launched in 1985/86? High revving 2.0 twin cam EFI, 102kW, front wheel drive and handled better than almost any other FWD of its era. To put the power in perspective an XF sedan back then had a 100kW pushrod 4.1 L engine and 3speed auto! Other markets even had GT4 versions (4WD, turbo ect). Toyota’s engineers know how to build a great car, its just a shame that in the last decade they have been focusing on different areas(4×4s, Luxury & hybrid)
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April 12th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Finally toyota are getting the right idea, a cheap RWD small car is awesome, id definatly buy one. finally something better than the FWD, lame, tryhard, waste of time and money “sport”car that toyota has produced lately *cough*aurion*cough*
C’mon holden bring the torana back already!!
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April 13th, 2008 at 3:14 am
Threatened by what TP, Sales? Sales don’t mean d*ck to a true enthusiast.
I think someone who draws attention to an exhaust tip(you) to criticize a car feels inadequate personally but thats my opinion.
I think this is a potentially a fantastic car, an icon in the making.
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April 13th, 2008 at 7:35 am
Relcars … sorry dude !!
2 races this weekend in Phoenix with the second tier event - Nationwide - raced yesterday with Toyota’s guru racing team ‘Joe Gibbs Racing’ coming 1st (Kyle Busch) and 3rd (Denny Hamlin) split by Carl Edwards in his super quick Ford.
The top tier event - Sprint Series - that really counts is on today so i will be glued watching it with all 3 Joe Gibbs Racing boys - Kyle Busch, Denny Hamlin & Tony Stewart - raring to go. Toyota come third last weekend (Kyle Busch) in Texas and 1st (Denny Hamlin) the weekend before that in Martisnville. Carl Edwards won in his Ford last weekend while he will be the man to chase today as he appears to have to dominate car at the moment.
Toyota have had a good year so far with wins and many podium finishes in NASCAR and the Craftsman Truck Series not to mention winning the first round of the Australian Rally Championships last weekend in Busselton WA with Neil Bates and Simon Evans driving the TRD S2000 Corolla’s while the F1 team have finished their first couple of races with improved performance over last year.
All-in-all … a solid start to the season for Toyota and it’s Motorsport activities so i hope they keep up the good work. The modified Road Racing TRD Aurion will be participating in Targa Tasmania aswell driven by Neil Bates so it will be interesting to see how the car goes in it’s first competitive run. Bates has stataed he is confident the car can achieve a top 15 finish but his goal is to be within the top 10 … i guess we will have to wait and see.
Targa Tasmania is on in a couple of days from the 15 - 20 April with 6 legs over 6 days scheduled to be completed.
cheers
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April 13th, 2008 at 7:43 am
AC Cobra - I will have to admit that Tony Rousch’s Ford Fusion driven by Carl Edwards is a very quick car and argueably the dominate machine at the moment in the NASCAR Sprint Series but also the Toyota’s raced by Joe Gibbs Racing are argueably the next in line as they are also very strong machines especially when you have drivers like Kyle Busch, Denny Hamlin and Tony Stewart at the helm of the 3 cars. Should be good racing today … i hope - fingers crossed !!
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April 13th, 2008 at 8:19 am
MrGriffon - the TRD Aurion is argueably the most potent FWD car that can be found anywhere in the world today and nodoubt the most enjoyable to drive. Despite it’s FWD layout - the TRD Aurion has impressive dynamics, poise, handling and grip and probably the best set of brakes amoung the locally manufactuered performance cars with the very strong and muscular engine providing alot of boot from it’s supercharged 2GR-FE while i reserve little doubt that the car will prove to be a quality, reliable and dependable product from the TRD stable.
That said - it is good to see that TRD Oz has finally released Australia’s first Tough Truck and with 225kw / 453nm ready to go from the supercharged 4.0 v6 i’m sure it will appeal to the tardesman who utilises his vehicle for professional reasons during the week and then hauls his toys on the weekend and no-doubt enjoys a bit of 4×4 advetures aswell. Real Life practicality of the TRD Hilux should be it’s winning streak with improved road going manners while it’s hauling capacity and off-road ability has been retained.
For many years Toyota has been rightfully critised for it’s lack of passionate cars and today between the many projects currently in progress should in-time turn that mundane image around.
With TRD enhancing otherwise everyday cars, Toyota engineering new sports vehicles such as the FT-HS aka next Generation Supra, Lexus introducing the ‘F’ Series Performance/Supercars to it’s lineup such as the IS-F, LF-A, LF Coupe and soon to be GS-F and joint adventures with Subaru … i am confident that TMC will once again inject passion into the brand by introducing a variety of cars and tough trucks that will not only satisfy the common market but also that for prestiage spenders.
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April 13th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Poison are you a true enthusiast now? The guy who said suspension and tyres have no effect on performance.
Dingo, good summary
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April 13th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
lol suspension and tyres no effect on performance.. thats like saying a one handed person types faster than a two handed person…
This sounds good, finally going putting RWD into performance, none of this FWD business toyota has gone too. but then again whats a sports car in Toyotas stable these days…,
The TRD aurion is a joke, I hope Toyota Aus rethink producing something like this and selling as it is, the future RWD cars would be something TRD should be looking at.
I doubt subaru will be a competitor with Toyota already having a major stake in that company, This can be a good strategy on Toyotas part to have brands staked at different market segments, allowing each to concentrate at a particular car type.
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April 13th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
TP, are u saying that the SS/XR8 are unreliable?
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April 13th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Another strong weekend for Toyota Motorsports with another podium finish in the Sprint Series just finished.
As mentioned earlier - Toyota’s NASCAR racing guru team ‘Joe Gibbs Racing’ finished 1st (Kyle Busch)
and 3rd (Denny Hamlin) in the second tier event yesterday -Nationwide Series - after winning the race the weekend before (Kyle Busch).
Todays top tier event - Sprint Series - has just finished with Denny Hamlin (JGR/Toyota) crossing the checkered flag in 3rd after Chevy came 1st and 2nd. Todays 3rd for Hamlin backs up Toyota’s (Kyle Busch) third last weekend in the Sprint series and a win (Hamlin) the weekend before that.
Another good weekend for Toyota Motorsport.
Cheers
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April 13th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Duck - SS/XR8’s are unreliable … and poor quality !!
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April 13th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
If more proof wasn’t kneaded for you Ford Fairy Clowns there handbags were stuffed fool of fluffy purple hankies and they still won. You freaks.
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April 13th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
The coupe de gras or pinnacle of car racing where dreams are made and legends born….the FORMULA ONE. Where is Toyota? More R&D as cant do cars that are potent and cant do cars that Taxi drivers use! But you numnuts can talk of Karl Busch in some vague series? Who cares! TOYOTA PULLERS obsessed do………………………………….LOL
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April 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I never said that TP and I thought I cleared that up for you; you brain must resemble swiss cheese. Well this is the point where the blog descends; TP and Dingo and other geniuses (this guy above me) manifest themselves en masse. Reminds me of those ugly malformed fish you find when u get super deep into the ocean.
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April 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
not you naughtius your a champion, the other tool.
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April 13th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Dingo: what do you mean by “I am confident that TMC will once again inject passion into the brand..”
Don’t you mean that they will start to inject passion into the brand? - as it’s a entirely new concept for them
And I am not including Lexus as that is a seperate company I am just referring to Toyota
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April 13th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
Dingo=TP?
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April 13th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
For all the resources Toyota has at it’s disposal they certainly produce a lame lineup.
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April 13th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Maximus - i accept your critism towards Toyota’s F1 team but in thier defence they have run competitive races this year (so far) in recognition of thier effort. It takes guts just to be there let alone achieve acceptable results.
Wheelnut - Many years ago Toyota exhibited alot of passion in thier fleet with recognisable units such as the MR2 Turbo, Celica GT4, Supra and Soarer which were all good units and still talked about today.
Unfortunately - Toyota dropped out of performance cars and motorsport in pursuit of the the ‘big bucks’ and actually achieved that very goal by becoming the worlds most efficient, profitable and wealthiest automotive manufactuer but at the cost of sporting recognition.
However… today - after relising thier mistake, Toyota is making solid grounds of regaining that lost spirit with a variety of performance vehicles emerging from TRD, Toyota & Lexus while thier Motorsport events are certainly beginnning to return solid results.
Regardless of past critism - TMC has invested considerable resources in re-inventing itself where performance cars and motorsport is concerned and i believe we are witnessing the ‘next generation’ of Toyota’s sporting passion albeit much work and race podiums need to be achieved yet. That said - judging by Toyota’s recent achievements … i have confidance they are on thier way of achieveing those goals.
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April 13th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Realcars - i dispute your comment… they are at the beginning of producing a good lineup with the best still under ‘engineering’ and to come in the near future.
The Lexus IS-F has already been released in most of the worlds major markets with good reception while we will see it ‘Down Under’ about October/November this year. That said - TRD Oz has made a good start dispite some critism.
Apart from that, Toyota Motorsport has been going really well this year.
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April 13th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
REALCARS,
Got hand it to you mate, couldnt put in any better and ya calling a spade a spade!
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April 13th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
DINGO,
But reality is with all the supposed skills you Toyotomoto lovers go on with you is superior at Toyota you think would automatically mean success. And if you think some success your pleading and dreaming about with Toyota then what will you say next…..Mark Webber is our best driver ever or he is having a great year! LOL, you believe something and becomes true is your philosophy!
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April 13th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Are we going to clean up posts in Toyota articles as well? This is where most of the crap is taking place
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April 13th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
am i reading this right?
TP has just voted himself off!!!!!!!
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April 13th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Like really….really how dam riotously funny are you TP!
Lets hope Toyota dont butcher the Subaru range of cars as they are quite amazing looking.
FOOTNOTE: Iam at a loss that there are bugger all Taxis around as they really have it easy as most hassles occur at startup…that is funny as! Skinny tyres too play there role too, maybe the Sub cross Toyota can have a decent set of tyres!
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April 14th, 2008 at 8:02 am
did toyo buy baru AFTER the production of the latest wrx?
i reckon they must have seen it, thought, “how boring is that thing to look at” …. ” we must have it!!”
:p
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April 14th, 2008 at 8:02 am
NM - not sure wht you are trying to say.
Between TRD, Toyota, Lexus and alliance with Subaru - they are producing a variety of sports and performance cars for the market while Toyota Motorsport actvities are off to a solid start in ‘08. I think because of Toyota’s engineering capacity is why they are beginning to achieve results injecting spirit back into the brand after neglecting passion for many years when they retired the MR2 Turbo, Celica GT4, Supra and Soarer.
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April 14th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
NM are you saying that most engine wear doesnt occur on start up? (I hope you didnt mean that, or else your really are dumber then I thought)
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April 14th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
DINGO states…”after neglecting passion for many years when they retired the MR2 Turbo, Celica GT4, Supra and Soarer”
NM response…takes getting in bed with Subaru to strip the cardigan and safari suit off. Like really agree as I liked the MR2 when it was sold as it was stunningly hot! Something lacking in current range offering by Toyota.
Footnote: seen a Mazda 6 today from up close and for all you wallies out there who say it looks like a Camry, or bland……………give yourself a Reg Reagan uppercut as the car is cute as and a tad in front of Mondeo on look and style. Lined up against Aurion / Camry……lol as one word comes to mind - SHYTE! The Mazda 6 is stunningly hot and it has me hooked heaps. Style and poise and that wally TP saying the rear lights look bad….your too silly to warrant a comment as looks stunning the tailights. Unlike you TOYOTA PULLERS I can call a spade a spade and love cars and not one brand! Come outta the closet and help yourself to reality as you will go blind on your boring cars! I will leave you with this poser scenario….go back to MR2 mid 1990’s and in my opinion that look and style shytes all over current look and style of Toyota’s!
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April 14th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
At start up it is vital to warm motor up you goose as Iam always doing that…..you got to admit lots of kms is the test and Toyota is where on the best test of all for a taxi???? Ford has that sewn up as they make LPG only factory installed motors…you do know now that it is made on Ford production line and others send off there production line. Cant believe you had trouble registering that a while back as you did prove you missed that basic fact.
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April 14th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
**********************PRIMO****************************
Just wanna see my signature cue
Cheers
NM
….I will leave you with this poser scenario>>>>go back to MR2 mid 1990’s and in my opinion that look and style shytes all over current look and style of Toyota’s!
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April 14th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Are you thick NM? I havent said one bad thing about the Mazda 6 RE looks, in fact Ive already said I saw one and it looks great. But just abit better then Mondeo? HA! Shytes all over that ugly Mondeo.
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April 14th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Nm you essentially claimed most engine wear doesnt occur at start up. Your a goose. 80% of wear is at start up because the oil is thicker when cold, and takes some say up to 2 minutes to circulate throughout the entire engine. That means, you have metal on metal for a period. It dwarfs the effect of stop start traffic, because at least during this period the engines parts are well lubricated. N e way simply a Taxi has more continious driving and are serviced well, they aint an eg of reliability.. apart from fact Toyotas are in middle east, harsher environment, so that argument is totally pointless
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April 14th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Targa Tasmania starts tomorrow and TRD Australia / Neil Bates Racing have entered 2 TRD Aurions into the event.
The car driven by Neil Bates is a specially modified race version and will be gunning for a top 15 finish while not ruling out a possible top 10.
The second car will be be driven by fellow TRD driver Simon Bates but is a near production version of the regular TRD Aurion and will be driven at a less competive pace as Simon Evans will be hosting a variety of celebrities as co-drivers during the 6 day event.
For more imformation visit the TRD Australia website.
Let the race begin …
Cheers
Dingo !!
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April 14th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Quote [Dingo]: Many years ago Toyota exhibited alot of passion in thier fleet with recognisable units such as the MR2 Turbo, Celica GT4, Supra and Soarer which were all good units and still talked about today.
Aahh yes but are they talked about in a positive or negative light? that is the word Celica-MR2 [for example]is mentioned what do most people think of…
Do they think of an awesome sports car with excellent performance handling; etc or a car which has a dreadful sounding engine; soft suspension; faulty wiring; dodgy gearbox; terrible driving position and expensive repaiors & maintenance..
Whereas most people when they hear the name Charger Camaro Monaro GT or Mustang think of the iconic performance sports cars of the past [all of which have a racing heritage] with classic lines; sweet sounding engines; good brakes; firm suspension and are easy to fix
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April 14th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
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TP,
Dont you get it dumbo, I early stated “Iam at a loss that there are bugger all Taxis around as they really have it easy as most hassles occur at startup…that is funny as!” What Iam heading towards is why do Taxi drivers not drive Toyota’s. Its common sense that start up is vital in a car, it is also vital that many kms do test a cars reliability. Further, you said the rear lights look crudy on Mazda 6 and commented about front headlights being poor as not high quality (think you said non-xenon) and others said it looks like a Camry. I agree the Mazda 6 shytes all over a Mondeo…..and both of these are ahead on look and style over Aurion! I have seen Mondeo’s getting around a lot and they are in front of Aurion as it will age better!
Cheers
NM
….I will leave you with this poser scenario>>>>go back to MR2 mid 1990’s and in my opinion that look and style shytes all over current look and style of Toyota’s!
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April 15th, 2008 at 5:21 am
Realcars is obviously intrigued… Ive never seen so many posts in a Toyota related thread.
Also Subaru cars are definitely higher priced than your Toyota vehicle, so I dont understand the comparison between their cars, the “worthy” Subarus are all 35K+, heck even 55K+. Basically.. its in between a Toyota and Lexus price range, and bang for your buck?. I like Subaru, but past WRXs were 55K+ and their Liberty’s are around 60K also. I dont even see a Toyota branded car close to that market…. well the last gen Celica was around 45~50K, over priced I agree. Before that the MR2 GTs (1991~1998) Turbos, were around 55~60K, but were very good performers (Japan spec anyways)
As I said before, people bagging Toyota for bland cars just wait 2 years.
Again, people dissing on why Toyota did the “conservative” approach… its the best tactical move for the automotive industry, just look at the red ink other high volume manufacturers are in… some of you just plain see it from a driver point of view, which is fair enough. But try to understand that from the company point of view…. profit is more important
Also about sports cars… again let me break it down, the simple marketing logic here…
So they had 2 options..
[A] Listen to “young” car enthusiasts who CANNOT even afford brand new sports coupes, most of you people (me too) are second hand owners. Still doesnt increase sales much.
[B] Wait and develop an affordable sports car for the young…. ?
So again, why are the same young people here hating on Toyota for finally offering a sporty coupe that you can afford to buy brand new???
Its hypocritical… illogical…
It’ll be around 30K Oz AUD, since in OZ, automatically ripped off period… in US and Japan, I’ve heard 15-17K which is the same price as Camry over there/here. Camry in Oz starts 28K… so my predicted 30K price range isnt far off.
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April 15th, 2008 at 5:31 am
Also people here saying Toyota to ruin Subaru…
err.. what?
Back when Subaru was making very very few models…
Toyota was making classic such as the Sprinter AE86, Celica Supra, Supra MK III, Supra MK IV (JZA), MR2 GT, Celica GT4, Chaser, Aristo, Soarer Twin Turbo, Soarer V8, Caldina GT4, Corolla GT etc..
Obviously people saying Toyota doesnt know performance… Don’t know jack sh1t about performance cars period… just posers…young posers…
Currently yes, the lineup is lacking, heck we engineers know it and cry about it, but what can you do eh… its all part of the phase…
Again…. when Toyota was kicking butt in WRC, LeMans, Japan GTs… producing classic RWDs…..Subaru was just starting to make their mark…
So if anything, Subaru will learn from Toyota… and again I get sick of saying it.. but I will again, this “bland” phase is temporary…. people just dont get how market research work…
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April 15th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
TP Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I wander what consumers are moving towards… small powerful cars (ie AE86) or petrol guzzling, unreliable & in efficient XR8/SS’
NM response….your stupid then I thought as in real world anything above a 6cylinder is guzzler! Love how you ignore Aurion, Landcruiser, TRD Aurion or Camry. Yet Falcon review states was getting 9litres/100kms. Does Camry / Aurion return that in real world…..close but no cigar! I wander y ewe carnt spel (all wayys) properlee as ewe ace bean two uni and talke yaself upp?
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April 15th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
On the highway i achieve roughly 7.8 ltrs and a combined cycle of about 10.2 ltrs and that is real world driving in my Aurion sx6 and it’s also a beatiful car to drive may i add and much more pleasant to own then a Commodore or Falcon.
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April 15th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
The Ford post mentioned 9litres….so assume it was mixed driving - so jury out as guess in unreal auto it will shade better Camry / Aurion!
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April 16th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
For those who are interested … go to the ‘Toyota Racing Development (TRD) Australia’ website for some good reading about local and international Toyota Motorsport events.
So far the 2 TRD Aurions participating in Targa Tasmania have lapped good times and better then originally expected.
So far, so good with with solid runs from Neil Bates in car #960 and Simon Evans in #929.
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