Comments on: 2008 Ford Falcon Review

By: ron

ron — Sun, 07 Mar 2010 23:33:19 +0000

some would say my BF this and that, my FG this and that. Some would say “i have a dual independent VCT” this and that, but in fact both BA and BF have identical engines. While the BF only has a different EDIT that makes its DOHC work independently when on idle or when you turn the car on for the 1st time, once you revve it above 1000rpm they both synchronize just like on that 1st BA Barra182 motor.Both cars in fact make 190kW, whether its BA182 or BF190 , it is the same, if you run a Barra182 on RON95 you get 190kW at slightly higher 5250rpm versus 5000rpm, and you get just a little more torque 3Nm extra and yet at lower RPM.
And why lower RPM? , that is because higher octane fuels burn faster, therefore more power and torque will occur at lower RPM, while it wont be felt as much at the certain point in the mid–range, most is felt at low RPM and above 5000rpm.
So basically a BF is just a software revised BA, both making same power/torque, while the BF is tested a lot more on premium fuels, hence the reason why it appears to make 8kW more. But there is more to this story, some claim that Ford used old testing equipment, so 182kW was just an estimate, some claim that car makes 180kW and 390Nm and not 182 and 380Nm.So there will always be room for error, the EUROIII emission standards that BF is under have measured that Barra182 to make 190kW/383Nm, so if you’re driving a BA it basically is a BF, but the only difference is that each cam is asynchronous at idle which saves fuel, instead of sitting at 1.7l per 100k on idle, on the BF its 1.4-1.5L which saves fuel thanks to the ECU software EDIT.
Otherwise an engine is 100% identical and no special or different cam phasers are employed or different cam profiles.
Unless we compare it to an FG which is slightly different yet approx 95% identical to the fist Barra182.
So run your Barra182 on RON98 and you’ll see the figures that were never advertised, a figure of something like 194kW at 5000rpm and 402Nm of torque between 2500-3500rpm. Run it on RON91 regular unleaded and on a good day we are talking about 185kW/395Nm until the engine warms up and goes back to calibrated and tested 182/380 figures on RON91 on a reasonable humidity level in the air.
Its all the same, whether you sit in a BA XT or BF XT or FG XT, whether a 4 speed auto , 5 or a 6 speed ZF.
Unless we’re comparing EB Falcon and AUIII, there would be a significant difference, but when comparing say BA Fairmont 4.0L versus BF Fairmont 4.0L there will be zero difference, and if you were to compare a G6 4.0 195kW/391Nm on RON91 with BA/BF 4.0, there wont be even 1% difference on road performance, unless the FG made 220kW/440Nm so that the difference can be felt and seen as substantial or significant at least in theory.
Correct me if i am wrong. Even when testing a new FG on RON98 where it peaks at 205kW/420Nm , i see only a small, very small incremental improvement versus the BA/BF XT on the same fuel, whether in 4 speed or 6 speed guise.

By: TINMAN

TINMAN — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:25:31 +0000

Falcon Vs Commodore, Commodore Vs Falcon.
Both represent unbeatable value in size/power/price ratio.
Both are now designed and built in Australia by USA parent companies.(The final decision is always made by the USA HQ)
Both direct Profit, if any, back to USA.
Both require Australian Government support at manufacturing and retail levels.(Our TAX money).
Both use local and imported components.
Both support thousands of jobs.(Here and overseas).
Both are fundementaly flawed in Quality Control.
Both suffer shockingly from poor resale value.
Both are fighting over same diminishing slice of the market.
Both are vocally supported by many people who never bought a new one.
Both are doomed to extinction as their consumption/emission/price ratio ceases to make sense in the modern world.
So hurry up and buy the Falcon, as it is the most technically advanced, one of the two.
The Falcon will be the first to go.
The Commodore will be around a little bit longer due to political/patriotic reasons.
HAVE A NICE DAY

By: Holden Technician

Holden Technician — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:27:33 +0000

and probably should point out the fact to that the commodore is the only true australian made vehicle, designed and engineered. so if yous dont like an asutralian built car, theres a great international airport in sydney maybe yous should get better acquainted with. add the fact that ford australia is closing down its factories in 1-2 years. just adding more to who is the better car manufacturer. good luck with the american built fords. and getting parts (headgaskets) for all your fords when they close down.

By: Holden Technician

Holden Technician — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:22:45 +0000

to Duck Says:
June 3rd, 2008 at 5:59 pm
i think the difference between the 6.2L and 6.0L is actually bigger displacement??? not fuel injection. no one on this website seems to have any mechanical knowledge at all. holden is a billion $$$ car manufacturer exporting to 16 countries, the commodore has been australias best seeling car for the last 14 years in a row now, so that probably tells everyone here who makes the better car. plus holden put more techincal support into their technicians, but simple minded bogans like ford supporters dont think of things like that, ie ea to au headgaskets failing, ive talked to a ford tech, no fix, put a new headgasket on it and wait for it to blow again, seems pretty intelligent?? just all opinionated rambling, nothing said on here has any factual basis.

By: FRUGAL_ONE

FRUGAL_ONE — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:57:50 +0000

Do you relise i “stuck ther thing on pole” as the FIRST[Primo!] poster here?

Anyway, i want a Falcon Glovebox -v- Commodore Glovebox, would be very good and important for mine!

Which would be better and superior overall?

Like Glovebox room, quality, size, opening, light, cooling-vent, lined or plastic etc etc

Thanks in anticipation,

Cheers

F-0

By: micheal

micheal — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:03:58 +0000

ford are just copying the holden VE range because they knew it was doing well just look at the two and you will see there are not many differences but still ford say they made it all up

By: Duck

Duck — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:22:28 +0000

Mitch, go to the forum. People will answer.

By: mitch

mitch — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:12:29 +0000

what do u think of fords v8 5.4L 32v

the chevy has abit over it in powertain….or do u think the new 315kw (from 290) will give the oldgirl a spark…

By: mitch

mitch — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:55:30 +0000

thanks…

By: Duck

Duck — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:59:19 +0000

Im not sure ask Wheelnut. But just because there is a slightly bigger fuel injection does not mean higher torque only kW. I think that is right. Is it?