New Ford Falcon spotted in U.S.
April 2, 2008 by Alborz Fallah
We reported about a week ago that Ford Motor Co was moving its efforts on a RWD global platform back to America, leaving Ford Australia’s feeling a little unappreciated. While that might still be the case, a pair of new Ford Falcons have been spotted in the Detroit area.
The Falcons have sparked huge interest from Ford fans abroad, with the hope that the Aussie-built four-door sedan will be exported to the American market.
With the battle between Ford .vs. Holden about to intensify with the launch of the new Falcon, the battlegrounds appear to be expanding to overseas markets. GM’ Holden made Pontiac G8 will reign free if Ford is unable to export the Falcon.
While the cars have been spotted, there is no definite yes or no yet from Ford. The new FG Falcon’s RWD platform makes a perfect candidate for a whole range of Ford vehicles, however the decreasing value of the U.S. dollar has forced Ford’s hand.
If used, the Falcon platform can be the basis for future Lincolns and a new Mustang and Crown Vic. Exporting the Falcon could also save Ford Australia’s ailing fortune.
Source: CarConnection
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PoisonEagle…
You would be correct, FG was designed and egineered for LHD capability but Ford has no further cash to pursue any LHD markets at this point in time.
OZ…
Current falcon is exported to the same LHD markets as territory i thought.
Sorry, I was wrong, The Territory doesn’t go to Sri Lanka, I meant Thailand, sorry.
It doesn’t look like the Falcon is exported to South Africa because I been to ford south Africa site and it only has the Territory and no Falcon
Im getting tired of this… you idiots never back your claims up, its just pissing in the wind. Claims like the Aurion isnt better then Falcon… pure lies. Its won Drives car of the year two years in a row. Similar problem with FWD BS, the Wheels dynamics test showed it shytes over Omega and at very worse even with Faclon. What I hear from you fairies isnt supported by any other sources.
Quote 1 “The Mitsubishi feel smaller and tighter than the Toyota.I feel more confident in the 380 than the Aurion”. Quote 2 “But ultimately,this is a battle between two front wheel drive cars and two more traditional raer drivers.The rear drivers hold sway on dynamics”. WHEELS ROAD TEST ANNUAL 2007 Big six comparison,XR6,SV6,VRX,ZR6.Looks like the game hasn’t changed.
here is an article about what has changed in the new falcon
drive.com.au/Editorial/MiniSite/MiniSiteArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=48300&vf=28&MiniSiteID=8
here is one about it having better driving dynamics
drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=48304&pg=1&vf=0
So you came back TP without mentioning about how you strongly believe the new Falcon is just a sheet metal update. Oh well, looks like we slammed your claim.
This is Falcon fast facts of drive, the site TP loves…
• First new Ford Falcon in 10 years, with 90 per cent new body and components.
• Ford has reportedly spent roughly $700 million on its development (although it would not disclose the amount), compared with $1 billion on the new Holden Commodore.
• All three engines have more power. The 4.0-litre six-cylinder engine has 195kW, the turbo six has 270kW and the 5.4-litre V8 has 290kW.
• All models are up to 12 per cent more fuel efficient than the ones they replace.
• All Falcon sedans have front and side airbags for front-seat occupants. Curtain airbags that cover front and back seats are optional on the basic model and standard on more expensive versions.
^According to TP, all of the above points are incorrect. What it looks like to me is he’s trying to say the new FG Ford Falcon has no more than just new exterior sheet metal. That means the dash board is exactly the same, no new look wheels on it, no power outputs increased at all, no differences done in suspension, which is complete BS. The FG Falcon has new dashboard, new wheels on the up marketed models, there certainly have been improvements in suspention and power outputs have been increased on all models at the same time there’s been better fuel economy (I6 N/A)….
I6 N/A BF = 190KW. I6 N/A FG = 195KW
I6 T BF = 145KW. I6 T FG = 270KW
V8 BF = 260KW. FG V8 = 290KW
(These power outputs are true, if FG just had new sheet metal, they wouldn’t be)
i havent read all the comments today,
but can someone tell me if its anything other than TP trying to………
Dis the new falcon by saying the whole world and even ford itself hates it.
Trying to convince us that FWD has better dynamics
or saying torque accounts for nothing
or even peddling the uneducated line of the new falcon being just a change of door handles.
if it is something else rather than the usual dribble could someone recommend it to me to read the last 90 odd comments since i last checked in here
guys in relation to drive-train losses from flywheel to tyres im pretty sure its 17% but the loss isnt much greater than a front wheel drive as TP is trying to point out above
cheers
17% for rear drive
cheers
This is funny. TP will quote Drive/WHEELS when it suits him, such as in the Aurion almost matching Falcon in the WASP test but rubbishes them when the subject matter turns foul, such as when the KLUGER fell over like alead-winged Cessna.
So, TP…WASP test results from an Aurion circling a skid pan ok, but COTY rollover unmentionable because it was being driven around a gravel bend at 100km/h?
What do people in the real world do? Do they drive around a skid pan measuring their g-forces twice a year or might they drive on a gravel road that has bends in it?
Golfie – all you’ll get is silence from TP and Dongo saying “Toyota outsold Ford/Holden again Oh what a feeling”.
And Dingo thinks all the Fordies and Holdenites are simple. Mmmm have a think for a minute.
Golf,
whats even funnier is that you have only just caught on to the fact that TP and co are a bunch of hypocrites.
ha ha ha at you golfie for being so slow ha ha ha (in good fun as always dude)
No name,
they are peddling the sales wagon because some light has been shed on their usual reliability survey wagon they always peddled,
im sure they dont want to talk reliability surveys now in light of what was displayed by a fellow poster
God, I had to be Andrew M’s reserve today! LOL
For those people who seem to have trouble understanding one of the major differences between FWD and RWD.
FWD pull when driving, RWD push when driving.
FWD use the front brakes for the majority of their braking.
RWD use the rear wheel brakes for minimal braking.
FWD steer through the front wheels.
RWD do not steer through the front.
What I hope, is those people who seem to push the advantages of high performance FWD over RWD will note that FWD cars do a lot more through the front wheels than RWD cars. Meaning they can lose control under pressure more quickly than RWD cars. Tyres do have their limitations.
I have noticed that in the Bathurst 12 hour race that only the RWD cars seem to finish up the front and the FWD cars spend a lot of time in the pits changing tyres. Even the British Super Car Series which is manely FWD cars penalise the RWD BMW’s in weight because over the distance of the race they maintain their tyre quality better, even though the races are only 30 odd laps each.
Thats the problem though, TP everyone has backed it up with facts- which is incredible to think people would waste time addressing your half witted crap.
By the way, you shot yourself in the foot with your last comment saying : ‘ at very worse even with Faclon’- In that WASP test, the Falcon was head and shoulders above the whole field, including Aurion. I doubt the outcome would have been much different if it were an XT.
Which doesn’t matter anyway because these are the base models, dialed back for cost reasons. Start acknowledging what people thwart you with because you look braindead persisting with the same hollow argument. Im starting to pity you.
PoisonEagle your just another idiot, people dont back up their claims. I dont know about your world, but saying something as gospel isnt backing it up, others rarely provide external links… so dont talk shyte. As for the WASP you really think it would have no difference in XT; thinner tyres and no sports suspension? That sums up you credibility, or more appropriately, lackthereof. Another Ford fairy I pressume.
Tony M, you also seem to have a little trouble with the RWD/FWD debate, since when :”RWD do not steer through the front”
Are you serious? or do you drive a forklift for a living? I dont know many other vehicles that dont use their front wheels for steering.
And using a touring car race as an example in the FWD/RWD argument? Would you have argued differently if an allwheel drive won? or a FWD? RWD may be more suitable for some applications, just as front or allwheel drive is for others. Bt have you driven a very good FWD car? Golf GTI for example? Perhaps you should.
Dir1: You are correct, all passenger cars steer through the front wheels whether FWD or RWD.
Dir1 I drive a high performance FWD Magna Sports 5speed manual which does sub 7second 0 to 100kmh. I can light the wheels up front when ever I want so don’t give me crap about winners and losers at Bathurst etc. I base my comments on experience not on someone elses experience who probably gets paid good money as a car journalist to say what they say from the car manufacturers.
Believe me when I say, if I push my car hard, even with top shelf Yokohama tyres, when the tyres get hot they start to give more and you lose traction/control. FWD cars are limited by their ability to transfer power to the ground at the same time they are cornering as you try to stop them. That why you power out of corners otherwise you lose control and just slid.
I tell you what, it is better to experience life than live it second hand through someone elses experience. I have a mate who lost the use of his legs in an accident. He doesn’t spend his time reading journalists point off views on cars, he went out and bought himself a WRX, had it adjusted to cater for his disability and drives it as it should be driven and enjoys it.
DR1 and TP “GET A LIFE”.
It’s not about the cars anymore TP. I’ve conceded the Aurion is a fine acheivement, but being FWD has put it at a disadvantage- Toyota would like you to think its a Falcon and Commodore competitor but last time I checked TRD is well down on FPV,HSV,XR6T,SS,SSV on all power levels, dynamics- this is significant because it demonstrates RWD allows a far greater breadth of ability.
Anybody who knows jack about cars knows that!
They cant go beyond 300kW because of Torque Steer.
Even if we descend from the wuthering heights of the sports models, Aurion is a granny’s car and you can’t even get one in manual. That trinket there speaks louder than words.
And you have the audacity to attack people’s character when you just crap on about Aurion in every article. You seem to think its God’s gift to the motoring world but its just another bland Toyota, and all the ‘external links’ in the world can’t prove to sane people otherwise.
PS as for the WASP article thing- The XT has the same suspension geometry and the state of tune wouldn’t dramatically alter the outcome, as demonstrated in previous WASP tests you drooling backwater hick. Say hi to Aunt-Mum for me.
BTW Sorry if I’ve offended other FWD fans I always enjoyed Magna’s(TE-TJ) paricularly TJ VR-X, and lightweight hot hatches. I just don’t like seeing the topic desecnd becuase of TP again, and the Australian buying public disagree with him as Falcon and Commodore continue to outsell Aurion ( you were going to quote January when Aurion beat Falcon but that didn’t last long did it hillbilly boy).
Hahaha I saw that comment as well…. RWD don’t steer through front wheels! Even the braking thing, although RWD have better balance they still have majority of braking on front like FWD. The advantage of RWD is a segregation of duties, that is all that has to be said, not all this other fluff.
PoisonEagle I picked you early… a Ford fairy. Sorry mate you’ve embaressed yourself if you think suspension but most of all thicker tyres don’t enhance a cars handling. You better go tell all the performance car manufactures to put softer suspension and thinner tyres on their vehicles, using your logic. The simple fact is it helps, and when you consider the differences through some of the tests by Wheels between Aurion and Falcon were very small, these would have a huge impact. So the fact remains, the base model Aurion nearly beat a XR6, a Sportivo Aurion would get even closer if not beat it. As for sales, again you show your ignorance, the Camry and Aurion beat the Commodore and Falcon in sales, so the Australian public is agreeing with me! Clown.
are you combining camry and aurion together TP????
TP you need a life. All I read from you is about all the tests that the journos do and nothing about what you have done.
Crap comeback TonyM… YOU get a life, Im happy with mine. As for combing yes, you Ford Fairies dont mind saying the Aurion is nothing but a tarted up Camry, well lets not just say that when convenient, I agree the Aurion is fundamentally just a model variant of the camry. So therefore together, which is why Toyota brought Aurion out for n e way, to get more sales as a V6 Camry wouldnt, is selling more than Falcon and Commodore.
I’ve embarrased myself? Look at that hastily typed ‘masterpiece’ , which demonstrates that weight distribution, polar movement of inertia, contact patch, torque steer, steering feel and handling arent things you understand. Looks like you frantically cobbled something together before even understanding what I wrote. I am fully aware the XR6 handles superior to the XT, and this is no doubt due in part to the 245 tyres but the difference isnt as insurmountable as would be convenient to your sickening casue.
Bringing Camry into the picture is convenient, why Don’t I include Falcon Ute, Commodore ute, statesman, or any other nameplate to bring the numbers up a bit?
Why I persist arguing with you I dont know. I guess Im just bored on my day off. By the way,I’m not a Ford fairy- but nobody can argue the turbo sixes are in another realm compared to Aurion; I own a Supra turbo- the only good Toyotas are JDM . Get this through your head. (supra chaser,lexus aside) TOYOTA IS NOT FOR ENTHUSIASTS – your continued allegiance only hurts them. You truly are a joy.
TP: Doers make things happen talkers dream about it.
LOL Tp you are too much my friend. to prove theres no hard feelings, Heres a peace offering. My antispam word was ….toyota. That finish you off buddy? Probably not as you are a corporate eunuch. Dont quit your day job( caradvice toyofiend)
Yes TonyM and followers are braindead morons… the category you and your Ford fairies fit into.
Poison youve shown nothing… all Ive heard is that sport suspension and wider tyres do nothing, then you back peddle on that one. The fact is a Aurion, a “tarted up Camry”, has better dynamics then a Falcon. But you cant handle this, the fact is it has better dynamics and therefore saying its not a drivers car, then a Falcon isnt either! But no, your a Ford fairy (whether you admit it or not!)
TP: In my day job I am a researcher. The amount of dribble I have had to read that people purport to be fact is unbelievable. You could say I have become a sceptic. When people quote what car journalists write I note what they said “yesterday” and what they say “today”. Depending on what side their bread is buttered on they tend to change their reports. When I focus on being a doer I do that so people can savour life rather than live it throught the eyes of other people.
God help us! You arent just a Toyofiend you have zero perception of logic! You dont have any measure of objectivity- every one of your posts Ive seen has been an overwhelming Toyota handjob so how can someone so unbelievably one-eyed point the finger? You spread your disease to topics where it isnt even relevant FFS.
Backpedaling? Lets make a comparison shall we?
PosionEagle1: I doubt the outcome would have been much different if it were an XT.
PoisonEagle2: I am fully aware the XR6 handles superior to the XT, and this is no doubt due in part to the 245 tyres but the difference isnt as insurmountable as would be convenient to your sickening cause.
In both passages I emphasize the fact there isnt much difference as far as handling goes.
That AT-X thing is your trump card, why do you continually disregard how the Aurion is beaten by Commodore and Falcon when your afraid to go further up the range? Because Toyo-nazi’s like you have ZERO CLASS. When pushed to the limit, things like the Kluger incident in WCOTY occur- Corolla doesnt even have stability control! You cant dismiss the Kluger incident, it happened in the real world and it failed at something the Territory (and EVERY other car) succeeded at.ESP is meant to stop that shit.
Its all well and good to call me a Ford fairy but I drive a Toyota so I am certainly not one eyed. I actually try to contribute something worthwhile to discussions (Notwithstanding this darling little argument) , not force toyota PR BS down peoples throats- your sole purpose it would seem. I revel in taking in what people’s comments are and what they have to say, but I guess I can always count on your obscenely biased view to rear it’s ugly head.
Profound words TonyM, I fear they’ll fall on deaf ears in pursuit of Toyopoints!
I Love Toyota. I have a toyota vagina.
I can appreciate that Tony, but its more credible then some biased Ford Fairy like say….Poison.
I don’t have an issue going up in class poison. Aurion ATX beats Falcon XT (You know they the WASP test didn’t have a Falcon? Ford said non available. What a crock of sh*t, that’s called afraid the Aurion might beat them all!) Aurion Sportivo beats XR6. DONE. Toyota don’t offer a comparable XR6T etc. Same applies to Holden, the Aurion ATX smashed the Omega. Aurion Sportivo given this would more than likely smash SV6. The problem with you is you try to compare higher models to lower models which Toyota offer. Fact is Toyotas are often better then their direct competition, and there is no exception in the large car market. As for Kluger again that’s all you can fall back on. Yet Kluger won Drives award for the segment. Yet Kluger leads the sales. At 100km/h around a gravel bend it takes a driver error and ANY car will flip. It was a poor test with NO controls. Not a credible test.
arg. dont have kids TP.
They did the exact same test with the rest of the field, and they didn’t roll. I wasn’t cross comparing, this is something you introduced to back yourself up fu
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Help TP out, somebody. Find him a reason that Ford would have had a Falcon XT on their press fleet with a new model on the horizon.
All the XT’s were being recalled so they can be benchmarked against Aurions . Pfft Can anyone believe this guy? I know Im arguing with him so that makes me just as bad but what a unit!
time to get in the mood for the broncos to smash the storm tonight.
who wants to join me for a sporting chant to warm up?
golf? i know you want to, come on now.
here we go…………
1, 2, 3,
“TP’s A W*NKER!”
TP is a wanker but is good value if u know what I mean,Ha Ha Ha. Unfortunately there are millions of lemings out there just like him blindly buying Toyotas come hell or high water.
How TP can call himself a car enthusiast when he is so one eyed is definitely a contradiction. Seems to be a condition unique to Toyotaphiles who feel that their brand is superior to everything else out there.
More interested in the Bulldogs smashing the ROOSTERS.
at the start of last year i wrote the broncs off for season 2007. but at the same time i said they would take the cup this year for the 2008 season.
and a mate clearly remembers arguing with my thoughts too.
if only i had have put a couple of bucks on it before this season started
Andrew M, I knew you’d support the Broncos seeing that you live in QLD! Let’s start the chant!!
1, 2, 3, TP’s A W*NKER!
1, 2, 3, TP’s A W*NKER!
1, 2, 3, TP’s A W*NKER!
I’ve said it yesterday FWD is overall better in MY OPINION, like I said in last weekends 1st British touring car race the BMW lead the race with considerable margin to lap 18 until it rained then lost to the 300hp Vectra FWD.
Whats that saying then. Like my old fella says “Horses pull carts not push them”.
Gee thats a wild assumption you made there OZ
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If the Aurion is so good why have Toyota just stuk put a heap of extra crap in it with the FG on the horizon? mmmmmmm reeks of panic to me………trying to match a car with real engineering substance with alot of cheap overpriced jewelery to hide the Aurions shortcomings compared to FG. Holden have done the same thing……A\C standard on Commodores !!!! BIG DEAL!!!!! Its been standard on Falcons for years !!
Must get the bacspace key working on this laptop !!!! lol
Take out stuk in the first line !!!!!!