New Ford Falcon spotted in U.S.
2 Apr, 2008
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We reported about a week ago that Ford Motor Co was moving its efforts on a RWD global platform back to America, leaving Ford Australia’s feeling a little unappreciated. While that might still be the case, a pair of new Ford Falcons have been spotted in the Detroit area.
The Falcons have sparked huge interest from Ford fans abroad, with the hope that the Aussie-built four-door sedan will be exported to the American market.
With the battle between Ford .vs. Holden about to intensify with the launch of the new Falcon, the battlegrounds appear to be expanding to overseas markets. GM’ Holden made Pontiac G8 will reign free if Ford is unable to export the Falcon.
While the cars have been spotted, there is no definite yes or no yet from Ford. The new FG Falcon’s RWD platform makes a perfect candidate for a whole range of Ford vehicles, however the decreasing value of the U.S. dollar has forced Ford’s hand.
If used, the Falcon platform can be the basis for future Lincolns and a new Mustang and Crown Vic. Exporting the Falcon could also save Ford Australia’s ailing fortune.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
There’s been FG Falcons spotted in the US for quite awhile by now.
…AND WHAT! No pic?
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April 2nd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Good on them!!! Why not?? after all these Falcons and Commodores are as good as if not better than anything the Yanks are building for themselves! and the US dollar won’t stay this weak for ever…..nothing ever does!!!
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April 2nd, 2008 at 3:49 pm
Sorry OZ pics are copyright to the source, you can have a look if you click through to carconnection.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 3:51 pm
The Yanks love aussie Fords.Better then the Fords there got
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April 2nd, 2008 at 3:57 pm
I just went to the sourced website and the pictures of the Falcons with bras had the same lumps under them on the front bumperbar like the ones here awhile ago which made us think the fog lights were going to be hanging out of the bumper. I didn’t see any interior pics to confirm if this will be exported by the side of the steering wheel.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 3:59 pm
I dont think it will be exported well the FG anyway.
I think Ford US may use them as a tester to see what they think over there and if the dollar comes down and they like them they will export them.
Or to test the platform over there and maybe try it with some of their vehicles or powerplants.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
The more FG photos I see the more I want one!!!
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April 2nd, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Someone said we build better cars here than the Yanks do, and I agree with that.
Just compare the Chrysler junk they are dumping on undiscerning locals, with either a Faocon or a Commodore.
But the FG can never be exported to the US, or any other LHD country, because it’s too expensive to build it in LHD, and the engine won’t pass emissions even if it was converted.
So, Fordites, no point in dreaming about it, you’re stuck with a paltry 10,000 Falcons per year to AU buyers.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Hahaha comment by JW Fisher is a good one in that link
“As for the “new” Falcon that is currently being rolled out in Australia, it’s not so much “new” as it is a “top-hat” refresh, to the same extent that next year’s F-150 is. This isn’t a new chassis at all, and it’s certainly not what would be ideal in a future world-wide and world-class rear wheel drive chassis. It’s severely dated, it has issues, and it certainly won’t match or exceed crash requirements here or in Europe. And look at that front overhang - indicative of a far-forward engine (compare and contrast that point to the G8, for example). “
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April 2nd, 2008 at 6:37 pm
We keep hearing this argument about the US/Australia dollar, how cheap does the US want the Ford, 2 bucks? Honestly, they’re not going to be paying retail for it, they’ll be buying the wholesale which would knock off a far bit off the advertised price, would it not?
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April 2nd, 2008 at 6:43 pm
TP…….you dont know what a top hat refresh is do you ? FG is much more than that ……….in fact 90% of the car IS NEW. Even the VE wasnt 100% new. Things like new front suspension, new wheelbaes and front and rear track dimensions, totally new exterior and interior, new transmissions,repositioned steering rack, totally new body structure and doors…………need i go on? Get ya facts right……..
oh and Reckless1 you need to het your facts right as well………the Falcon will have the American V6 by the time an export deal could be finalised……are you saying that the engine that comes from America doesnt pass their own emission laws???
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April 2nd, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Should have read “wheelbase” not wheelbaes in my previous post !!!!!!!! lol
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April 2nd, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Ford OZ has been sending their Falcons back to the Holy Grail since before Noah launched the Ark. But the Yanks are so welded to the ‘Not Invented Here’ syndrome that they’ll never wake up. RIP Ford Motor Co.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 6:57 pm
TP, this was JEM’s comment following JWFisher…
“And the Aussies- both Holden and Ford - make the best seats anywhere; the big Aussie sedans are probably the best thousand-mile-a-day cars in the world. Last trip to Australia I had a 385HP Falcon GT rental for a week or so around Melbourne, exchanged that for a Camry to drive up to Sydney - it was like going from an F-22 to a wheelbarrow. ”
He is referring to the camry made by the company you so dearly love…………….
Everyone can make comments, but your friend fisher has obviously never driven a falcon or understands the quality of its chassis/driveline (better than an E-Class I think wheels said IN 2002!!!!!), probably doesn’t know it is currently a four star car (potentially 5 star with FG - territory is only 1.5 stars from being a 5 star) and sounds as though he bases his opinions on assumptions and second hand knowledge.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Ahh
TP u think that a world class car like a ford falcon is not as good as a commodore (pontiacg8) well holden had to do something to its cars to be as good as a world class falcon. Falcon has always had a superior chassis than a commodore and guess what holden are finally catching up to the falcon. Go back from the first falcons out and theres never been another Aussie car thats had a better chassis than the falcon. Holden have always been behind Ford in world technology and finally Holden had to do something to compete with a Ford falcon. Remember in the 70s how superior the falcon was shitting all over the torana cause it was smaller in size and not as quick as a falcon. In the 80s when the commodore was out and the falcon was still faster and better handling car than the commydore. So holden tried again in the 90s and still ford had a superior chassis than holden.
Guess what Holden are making cars now as big as falcon to go and take on the worlds best. Ford have a world class chassis and doesnt need to improve on it cause as we all know it is world class allready. Just look at the XYGTHO falcon back in 1970 and it was the worlds fastest production car in the world cause it had the best chassis out. It took holden 35 years to catch up with Ford. 351 cleveland pissed all over a 308 for a long time and ford had to tame themselves so holden had to catch up. I wonder what yu gonna say when the new GTHO comes out and becomes one of the worlds fastests production cars again cause its usung its world class standards.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
That person named “JW Fisher” on that site is a total idiot. He wrote: “it’s certainly not would be ideal in a future world-wide and world-class rear wheel drive chassis. It’s severely dated, it has issues ad it certainly won’t match or exceed crash requirements here or in Europe”
How does he know that the new Falcon can’t match USA & Europe crash(safety) requirements? And how does he know it’s the same platform? The new Falcon was a project Ford has been working on since 2004. Even if the Ford FG Falcon was still on the AU platform, safety wouldn’t be anything to do with it. The AU series 3 received a 3-Star safety rating, the BA got 4 Stars, so there’s more to it than design of the floor(If that’s what they mean by “platform”)
He never stated why “it has issues”… What ever is not right with the current Falcon has nothing to do with the design of the floor. Here are some major problems with the BF Falcon I know of: The ageing look of the car(nothing to do with the platform), performance of the performance models lacks performance to direct rival Holden(nothing to do with platform), Lack features to rival(nothing to do with the platform) So, what is the so called “issues” with the BF’s current platform?
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April 2nd, 2008 at 7:56 pm
So TP has once again been duked by the web. Hmm not a first then.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 8:50 pm
One thing i dont get is if the US want a RWD platform, and want jobs in the US, why dont they build the platform there that they will use? You will probably say that it cant be easily moved to LHD, but to remove the ‘not made in US’ stigma, US designers and engineers should develop a LHD version. They would save money on the development, keep jobs in the US and the Australian doller whould have little to no effect in the matter. We (Aust.) would not produce cars for the US, the US would not produce cars for us (aka Falcon not made in US).
America, use the Falcon playform, build it for the US cars in the US and save Ford.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 9:57 pm
acfsambo,
ive been saying that for ages!!!!
take the falcon recipe and build it in the US for the US costomers!!!
it over comes the “not made here” mentality and it would be sold in the same economy as it is sold, so the exchange rates wouldnt affect profits. and then there also wouldnt be any job concearns for the US workers.
also they would still be able to reduce development costs by using the same pattern as what we do
WIN, WIN, WIN, WIN all round.
TP,
you have no idea mate.
if the americans dont accept the aussie platform, they dont know whats good for them.
Guys,
also whats this excuse that the falcons emissions are too high to export???
does anyone else realise that the falcon actually has better emissions than the commodore?
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April 2nd, 2008 at 10:15 pm
after i went to the Motor show and inspected and sat in both the VE and the FG the thing that struck me was the quality feel and look of the FG compared with the VE. FG seems more of an integrated design. This is seen the most in the design and finish of the interior. The black cheap plastic of the VE looked 10 years old compared to the FG. The centre console in the VE is a platic joke. The placement and ergonomics of the swithgear is also way behind FG. You can easily see where Holden cut corners to save money so they could bring the handling and roadholding almost up to the BF……..FG will be in another class when it comes to vehicle dynamics. Cant believe the VE has the old fashioed McPherson strut front suspension. Is this correct? Where did the Billion bucks go ?????
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April 2nd, 2008 at 10:29 pm
People often ask where the billion bucks went, Rick Harris.
It went on a brand new left hand drive-capable platform that underpins other forthcoming GM cars around the world, and the creation of 4 body styles including a long wheelbase luxury variant that’s also sold around the world.
I won’t tell you what it didn’t go on, as you seem to have worked that out yourself. That’s fair enough, but give it its due in other areas.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 11:35 pm
having seen and experience… and currently experiencing..
the U.S automotive scene…
yes, Ford Australia’s cars are atleast 5 times better looking than any of the Ford sedans here.
The FG Falcon would be a huge upgraded aesthetics wise.
The Holden VE would be good too… Buick, Saturn, Chevrolet’s current sedans arent particularly attractive, well in my opinion, again they are very heavily influenced by the US market… but Australian styled Fords and Holdens are definitely a step up.
Also, The Toyota Aurion would be great here also, anyone who has seen the sportivo Aurion has nothing but praise for it, and its the same reaction for the Fords and Holdens.
When I came back for a vacation, I was more appreciative of the vehicle designs from Australia, and/or cars designed with a global release, like Honda, Toyota, Subaru etc… all/most of there vehicles are designed with all markets concerned, as opposed to the Buicks, Saturns, Chevs, Chryslers etc…. all U.S styled.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 11:37 pm
also just to follow up..
when I said “anyone” regarding the people who has seen the Australian styled cars.. I am technically speaking of engineers and stylers… as opposed to the general public..
but some of the younger demographic here are becomming accustomed to the Japanese-style aesthetics.. Hondas, Toyotas, Subarus, Nissans etc.
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April 2nd, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Yes the Falcon is better than it’s US counterpart, Tauarse(SORRY…..TAURUS). And Jamison yes I agree, but if I could understand your second paragraph in your last comment I would agree even more.LOL
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April 2nd, 2008 at 11:55 pm
FORD AUSTRALIA IS A JOKE! BUY A HYUNDAI!
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April 2nd, 2008 at 11:57 pm
^WTF
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April 2nd, 2008 at 11:57 pm
also another tidbit in terms of actual engineering..
Yes, building the FG in LHD configuration would be too expensive and a huge risk for Ford Australia… and Ford in general. Because, as I said, the market in the U.S is saturated, mainly from Ford and GM. They have several sedans from all their affiliate brands that ultimately take sales from each other, its one of the main reasons why GM and Ford has been in trouble globally, and hence you see them selling off brands… also of course the union issue… but thats a different story.
But in terms of engine emissions, these days, it shouldnt be that much of a concern. When they build the current Falcon’s underbody and platform as well as drivetrain/engine, yes they are dated, but they shouldnt be that far off the emission that a few tweaks couldnt fix. But again that just adds to the cost of cconverting to LHD.. when converting you have to factor in, that the underbody, especially the dash/A-pillar area, this section would of been designed with RHD in mind, unless it was designed symetrically, but I doubt it, engineering production cars is all about eliminating extra material and redundant parts, whilst maintaining safety and targets…. and designing a a dashs section with both sides meeting regulations would double the cost of that section alone… materials wise and parts count, tooling should be fine. Again, this is assuming they are using a specifically RHD designed front underbody (dash).
Thats not even accounting the front side members, these are the massive horizontal pillar like parts, I dont even want to explain its importance in the mechanics/strength/rigidness of the vehicle… and costs. But most cars both RHD and LHD doesnt really concern these side members, but I dunno how Ford designed their cars.. but again I doubt this parts are concerned.
But yeah, it would be better and cheaper for Ford U.S.A to make extra lines in their assembly plants and build the Falcon here…. which would not benefit Ford AU at all.. in fact it would mean… doom for Ford AU… so you dont want that.
So yeah, long story short… the feasability of Ford AU building cars to meet US standards in Australia… is ridiculous from cost and logic point of view… considering the market in the US, wont even guarantee its going to survive a few years.. since there are so many alternatives… a lot of people in the US are turning to japanese manufacturers for sedans and small cars recently… the Ford Territory is another potential, SUV market is massive here, but theres a vehicle called Ford Edge, and Im pretty sure just looking at the profile of both cars, they share many parts already and pretty much the same car…. im not 100% but google it and find out for yourselves.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:21 am
KOREAN_KIMCHEE_BOX: your the joke, keep pushing trolly’s for Coles as you don’t even have the money to buy a lawnmower……….
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:27 am
Seems Kimchee has been allowed out of his/her box. Everyone is entitled to opinion though.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 8:08 am
I can’t wait for the VE, camry/aurion and FG comparison reviews to take place…
My money is on FG being class leader in the 6cyl category.
I wonder what TP will say then about an outdated platform beating so called new platforms?
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April 3rd, 2008 at 8:49 am
Will the new FG Ford be exported to America? Probably in small numbers. There are plenty of after market car companies that can do the conversion from RHD to LHD. I mean we in Australia have companies that convert LHD to RHD so why not in the USA. Remember their car market place is 1000% bigger than ours, so the conversion costs would be less.
All the dribble I seem to read about how the Ford has an old chassis compared to the new Commodore, well guys you must have a lot more money than Ford and Holden put together. Most chassis have a 20 year life before a complete new one is designed. What happens is they are updated to meet the design needs of the day.
Engines, suspensions etc are add ons and the chassis can be fine tuned to fit these units. Remember the independent rear suspension on the AU’s was dropped when the BA’s came out and replaced with the “blade” independent suspension now common in most Fords.
A lot of you guys need to look at the bigger picture. We don’t live in a bubble and there are so many options in car design it’s just not funny.
Here’s something to think about. In 10 years there will be hybrid cars that will have front wheel drive diesels with electric motors/generators in the rear wheels. 4 Wheel drive on demand. If this is the case, I’m sure the current Ford/Commodore chassis design will be used - NOT. Who has more to lose, Ford Australia whose chassis for RWD cars might be designed in America in several years (around the end of their current design cycle) or Holden Australia whose design has at least 18 years to go.
Look at the bigger picture!
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April 3rd, 2008 at 8:52 am
Alec what kind of an idiotic knock is that. Id be worried if a 5.4L V8 didn’t sh*t all over a 2.4L 4 Cylinder!!! Wake up to yourself.
Andrew.M it aint just americans like JW Fisher who don’t accept the Falcon, its Ford themselves. Now my bet is, Ford, the people who own the Aus subsidiary, would have access to all the information they need to determine that the Falcons out dated platform is…inferior. Clearly if they were on a good thing like the Commodore (the people who actually created something NEW) theyd want that vehicle in their country.
Adam and Ive heard the same speculation that the Falcon would have more power then the Aurion…. But again Ford fairy speculation amounts to NOTHING. I doubt the FG, built on an out dated platform, will perform much different to the current Falcon… where as per Drive the Aurion won overall in terms of handling, power and features (See “hit for six” article). Hopefully wheels then conducts a dynamics test, this time with a Sportivo Aurion, and the Falcon will be embaressed.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 9:00 am
TP, read the first 3 lines, also, I wasn’t trying to knock you.. you do that yourself!
“And the Aussies- both Holden and Ford - make the best seats anywhere; the big Aussie sedans are probably the best thousand-mile-a-day cars in the world. Last trip to Australia I had a 385HP Falcon GT rental for a week or so around Melbourne, exchanged that for a Camry to drive up to Sydney - it was like going from an F-22 to a wheelbarrow. ”
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April 3rd, 2008 at 9:11 am
TP, the Falcon is 90% new. How do you know that person worked for Ford? He’s a yank that has read speculation from before the new Falcon was realest. He’s obviously not from Ford as he thinks they won’t meet US safety standards, nice way of defending your self Paul. No, he wouldn’t know what a Falcon was if he was hit by one, Let alone work for Ford and accessed the information about Falcons.
What does the “platform” got to do with the performance, Paul? Aurion is not a Ford direct competitor, it’s the Commodore. If Ford needed their base model car to be a tiny bit faster to beat another base model car, they would do it. it’s the Turbo and V8 range that’s faster and they Faster than any Aurion and they can be even more faster than an Aurion can be because they RWD, not unsafe FWD like the Aurion.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 9:39 am
TP.
The VE was mearly a catchup to the BA in terms of chassis technology. Infact it still lags behind on front end. Its still running one armed front struts. That means VE’s camber changes affect its ride handling, it still eats tyres and contribute to body roll.
Now for the FG it will run what the territory pioneered and what makes it without peer in SUV’s for ride and handling. That means it’ll run external pivot lower A’s, both it and the upper A will be made from Aluminium and front mounted steering rack. that’s new millenia technology
Sorry Macphersion struts just dont cut it. Dont believe me?Even the holden racing teams got concessions to run the falcon front end way back in the early 2000’s. By its own admission “Because it offered superior wheel control”. The Monaro 427? yep it ran a double A front end too!
Now why would they bother to go to that much change when it mattered & what does it say about Holden not adopting it for VE?
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:08 am
All this crap on who has the best chassis. What are you Holden and Toyota guys going to say IF the new FG gets a 5 star rating over the VE Commodore which has a 4 star rating when it comes to safety. Chassis design and safety go hand in hand. Or do a lot of you guys have your hands on certain parts of your bodies.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:18 am
As Ive said before someone once mentioned here that Commodore and Aurion didnt get 5 stars because they didnt provide a vehicle for the side impact test… not sure if thats legit or not. Regardless the Falcon will more than likely not get 5 stars given its the same vehicle in different sheet metal. Trackdaze dont know if Falcon has better chasis, drives “hit for six” highlighted the Commodore as the best handler in the market, while the Falcon unlike the Aurion was criticised for its instability over uneven surfaces (ie public roads!).
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:19 am
TP…
Aurion having more power than FG?? Oh thats right the 5 KW power debate…right i forgot.
Just as premium or what you choose to ignore, not surprising, at the torque figures…
How big is the gap? 335NM for the aurion while Fg will have 391NM the difference is great, more than the 5KW power gap.
I think someone needs to educate you about the 5KW is irelevant…wake up!
Aurion has NEVER beaten VE or BF11 for handling dynamics, another wet dream of yours i suppose?
FG will be class leader for handling dynamics, wanna bet now? i’m willing if you are?
Features? yeah the aurion AT-X doesn’t even come with a trip computer standard!!
Vague steering, torque steer and mushy body control, yeah…i’ve driven an aurion recently along with a BF falcon..both consume fuel and yet one is far more enjoyable to drive!
Alec, trackdaze, Oz and Tony are right! Please TP time you start educating yourself on the auto scene buddy…
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:21 am
TP…
Please inform of a recent test with FG and the competition?
When was the last time you drove anything else but your camry??
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:25 am
The plot thick’ns, yes the Falcon is been driven around USA [its ok, they had VE’s for a long time in USA before they deciced to import them as Pontiacs]because the Falcons have been importerted and driven around by engineers of GENERAL-MOTORS!!!! *Shock-Horror!* yeap they belong to GM [Dont feel to bad, Ford have Holden rubbish in its fleet too, its called reveres-engineering
FACT haonda have the largest collection of stripped down Italian motorcycles [Ducati, Aprilia, M.Guzzi, Piaggio etc etc] than anybody else on the planet
CAMERA-ENGINEERING = Made In Japan!!
Cheers
F-0
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:29 am
Ford US are evaluating the FG chassis for future use and expansion, they won’t be exporting FG to the US imo.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:31 am
I want to see a test between…
The FG Falcon GLOVE-BOX -v- the VE11 Commodore GLOVE-BOX!!
Who has better and WHO would win that?
Cheers
F-0
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:33 am
Don’t give up your day job FO…
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:38 am
Alot more power actually Adam…5kw at the fly, even more at the wheels (RWD drivetrain does a good job at that). As for test shows how you lack any knowledge, wheels recently tested them, the Aurion ATX in terms of dynamics was second only to a XR6 Falcon… try a Sportivo Aurion and we are talking very close. So a Camry with a re-desgined front and rear end matches the locals… prity sad really.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:47 am
TP…
You never answer the questions…
The torque difference makes up for the irelevant 5KW difference with RWD. BF11 you’re talking about, right?
Where in the rev range is the aurions power made compared to BF11 and Fg falcon again?
What position did the aurion come against the benchmark XR6 again??
Camry for a re-designed front and rear? what drugs are you on!?
Does the current aurion have the same suspension designs as the previous camry? yes…pretty sad really.
FG comparisons? where again??
Whe have you driven a modern vehicle again?
You really like this attention don’t you…
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:51 am
Oh for Jesus sake TP! How many times are you going to bring up your Aurion faster than Falcon N/A six?
How do you know FG won’t have any suspension improvements? That’s a bit hard to believe. I heard on drive (the site that suites you) Ford are going to make the FG Falcon the best handling Aussie sedan. Do I have to repeat my self TP? It is not just a sheet metal update, it’s a 90% new car!!!
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April 3rd, 2008 at 10:58 am
We all have to repeat ourselves as TP doesn’t understand english!
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April 3rd, 2008 at 11:10 am
Its almost like this site is TP’s own blog
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April 3rd, 2008 at 11:33 am
TP’s gone quite, perhaps he was overwhelmed with attention and had to have a quick toss!?
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April 3rd, 2008 at 11:34 am
TP: I’m happy that you like Aurions. They are similar to Magnas. Guess what? I drive a Magna Sports with all the trimming, and even I know the difference between FWD and RWD dynamics. I have driven (I am in my 50’s) cars ranging from VW Beetles, Jensen Intercepters, Porsches, Ferrari Boxer or more bread and butter cars like owning an EH Holden, HR Holden, Fiat 125, TE Cortinas, XF Falcon, the list goes on. As long as you can keep things into perspective you can alway see where your going. But I get the impression that you stand out the front of your local Toyota dealer drooling over one of the Aurions they have on display.
Mate get over it, IT’S JUST A CAR. You can rattle off all the stats you want but in the day to day driving it’s just a car.
And just in case you didn’t understand what I meant when I said I drive a Magna, let me tell you that the Aurion will go the way of the Magna in Australia, down the toilet. And if you still don’t get it, please explain to me why the Avilon (wasn’t that made by Toyota) went down the sink.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Not overwhelmed at all Adam… continue making stupid assumptions.
Adam who cares where the power is produced or how much torque, the RWD drivetrain costs the Falcon from fly to wheels… the FACT is the Aurion is half a second faster to 100 and nearly have a second faster from 60-100km/h. So its better on paper and clearly its better practically. These aernt my facts, these are facts from Drive and Wheels respectively.
Oz we always hear about Toyota marketing, yet you are so inclined to believe this 90% new fluff. You know Ford have maketing to. But no, we will conveniently forget this.
Tony I doubt the Aurion will head down the sink anymore then Falcon and Commodore. The Avalon cannot be compared, it had the same engine as the Camry V6 but heavier… and uglier… it was a POS. Same applies to Mitsu 380… underpowered and ugly. The Aurion has experienced great sales as it is a far more attractive package then the Avalon and indeed, the competition. The fact you even compare them is a joke.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Interest just read this over at another place:
“I work for a big hire car company and drive these home every day. The Aurion shits all over the XR6’s we have on fleet. Ask anyone who works in the rent a car game and has these on fleet, they will tell you the same thing. The XR6 handles like a slug too, the Aurion ok, but the 380 handles bloody awesome. Aurion/380 also crap all over Falcon/Commodore for reliability. I’m sure if there was a Ford or Holden badge on it most Aussies would say they are awesome. “
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:14 pm
TP…
You never quit making youself look silly do you.
Where power is produced and how is very relevant, yhe fact you even say it isn’t is proof you have no clue.
In every tets i’ve seen of aurion and falcon performance, they are lineball, some times aurion beats falcon and vice versa, BF11 not FG that is as you haven’t given me any data to test to show FG against aurion as yet.
So 80%-90% is Ford marketing now?? No it’s the fact the FG IS 80%-90% NEW! Do you know the difference between marketing and truth? As i stated has aurions supsension changed form previous camry??? NO, so How much of the aurion is new TP? another question you will choose to ignore perhaps?
Aurion has not experienced great sales you twot! fleet, rental levels are not much different to falc/commo.
Aurion has simply sold better than 380 and previous avalon while eating some camry sales, not surprising as camry 4cyl is not more efficient than V6 aurion…
Please tell me why you would buy an aurion over an FG falcon? FG is just as fast, can tow more, handle heavier loads overall, just as fuel efficient, better handling dynamics and it doesn’t ‘look’ asian. NVH will be better than aurion too
Aagain i don’t see a convincing argument for going large FWD aurion…
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:17 pm
TP Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Interest just read this over at another place:
“I work for a big hire car company and drive these home every day. The Aurion shits all over the XR6’s we have on fleet. Ask anyone who works in the rent a car game and has these on fleet, they will tell you the same thing. The XR6 handles like a slug too, the Aurion ok, but the 380 handles bloody awesome. Aurion/380 also crap all over Falcon/Commodore for reliability. I’m sure if there was a Ford or Holden badge on it most Aussies would say they are awesome. “
LOL
I drive all different makes and models home everyday too, guess what i’d rather drive a BF11 XT over an AT-X aurion anyday, 380 is very nice to drive. 380 eats the aurions alive for a good driving FWD vehicle.
Aurion sucks fuel like a falcon and commodore also, compared all cars as we have a fuel allowance.
So most motoring jornos claim aurion has inferior handling dynamics compared to BF11 and VE, while FG has not been tested yet you quote someONE form someWHERE to prove your already weak point!?
My god, i’ve seen it all now!
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:26 pm
It’s been known that magna/380 transmissions are weak, i’ve asked a transmission service mechanic about reliability and he claimed magnas are the worst.
So you will listen to someone who works in a rental car industry how reliable vehicles are which are brand new 20-30,000klm vehicles??? wake up son!
I work for auction company where i see 6 month old vehicle to 20 year old vehicles! and i drive ALL of them!!!
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:30 pm
What TP!!
The new FG Falcon has just got new sheet metal, 90% new was just Ford marketing so it’s not true and it’s just a face lift because you say so?
No matter what you say, this is a significant update over the BF, if not exactly 90% new, it’s between 80 & 90%. Look at the CAD animation of the FG Falcon coming together, it shows the body shell and it’s much different than the current model, so don’t start sh*t about the new Falcon being not so new.
BTW, I like the way you quote someone without citing where you got it from. Sounds like some bogus you wrote to defend your self.
Did you answer the following Adam (aka Mada) is asking you?
“The torque difference makes up for the irelevant 5KW difference with RWD. BF11 you’re talking about, right?
Where in the rev range is the aurions power made compared to BF11 and Fg falcon again?”
“What position did the aurion come against the benchmark XR6 again??”
“Camry for a re-designed front and rear? what drugs are you on!?”
“Does the current aurion have the same suspension designs as the previous camry? yes…pretty sad really.”
“FG comparisons? where again??”
“When have you driven a modern vehicle again?”
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Thank you OZ…
We never get answers, just more waffle from TP.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Thanks OZ we know TP knows nothing about cars because his commments are based on bias rather than facts……
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Ha Ha yeah.
I don’t know if he’ll be able to answer them, but don’t worry! He will be planing on something new for us…
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Hahahaha
Adam isnt it funny how everyone on this site is either an engineer or driven so many hire cars. Sounds like people are talking shyte to me. Regardless your claims are incorrect, the Aurion is faster, its better handling and it offers far more features. In terms of looks its subjective, but I prefer a well finished vehicle, the Falcon aint one of those. Its merely an upgrade of sheet metal, they didn’t modernise it with LEDS, projectors or dual exhausts.
Answers:
QUESTION : “The torque difference makes up for the irelevant 5KW difference with RWD. BF11 you’re talking about, right?
Where in the rev range is the aurions power made compared to BF11 and Fg falcon again?”
ANSWER : As Ive already said, I have addressed this question, the Falcon being RWD loses more power through the drivetrain. I wouldn’t expect you to look beyond it, but from flywheel to wheels the Aurions power difference is increased why that torque difference is reduced. As I also said at the end of the day forget the paper figures, the Aurion is faster to 100 and faster 60-100. On top of this clearly it can handle additional loads as its used in Tarago and Kluger, both vehicles which experience high loads.
QUESTION : What position did the aurion come against the benchmark XR6 again??”
ANSWER : Second, what was the Auron used? BASE MODEL. It was narrowly second in base model form. Remember we spoke about chasis and its effect on dynamics, the XR6 just got in front with tyres that are 3cm wider!!! If you wanted to truly test which chassis was superior give them even rubber, the Aurion in Sportivo guise… the Aurion would win. So…. A Camry has a better chassis then a Falcon!!! LOL.
QUESTION : “Camry for a re-designed front and rear? what drugs are you on!?”
ANSWER : I Don’t quite get this, you people claim the Aurion is nothing but a Camry, this was a joke at how a Camry can out handle a Falcon
QUESTION : “Does the current aurion have the same suspension designs as the previous camry? yes…pretty sad really.”
ANSWER: Firstly provide evidence to this effect. Secondly if you are indeed correct this makes it even sadder that an Aurion has better dynamics then a Falcon. What is really sad here….your beloved Falcon!
QUESTION :“FG comparisons? where again??”
ANSWER : I have never said there were any, I referenced the current Falcon v the rest… given it’s the same chasis expect a similar result, if anything worse given it has a higher centre of gravity now (added features such as curtains cause this)
QUOTE : “When have you driven a modern vehicle again?”
ANSWER : I have driven the Aurion… I have driven a Falcon. Ive been in many more modern vehicles. I doubt you’ve driven an Aurion, because your comments go against what EVERYONE who has driven one actually says.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Hahahah yes mine are based on bias… Im not the one quoting external sites. You idiot Rick.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Im off now so dont think Im conceding defeat… I eagerly await more unsupported drivel that is past off as being factually correct.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
TP Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Hahahaha
Adam isnt it funny how everyone on this site is either an engineer or driven so many hire cars. Sounds like people are talking shyte to me. Regardless your claims are incorrect, the Aurion is faster, its better handling and it offers far more features. In terms of looks its subjective, but I prefer a well finished vehicle, the Falcon aint one of those. Its merely an upgrade of sheet metal, they didn’t modernise it with LEDS, projectors or dual exhausts.
Again you’re wrong! Aurion and falcon BF11 are lineball for performance, FG will beat aurion, lets take a bet shall we?? Dynamics, BF11 falcon wins! FG? another win.
Features, lineball with BF11 and FG? we shall see!
Don’t kid yourself aurion is better finished off, i see these models every day, aurions panel fit and finish are no better than a VE, while interior is a win for VE and BF11, FG? i bet will match aurion for exterior fit and finish while continue to beat aurion for interior fit and finish.
LEDS, projectors and dual exuasts are a requirment for a modern vehicle???
LEDS are good, i agree and Falcon should have some on certain falcon models. What about boot hinge design? split folding seats? would you class that as a tie?
Projectors, i don’t see how they are a step above halogens? Ford had thos eback in 1989 on the EA fairlane, EF, EL falcon XR’s, please explain the benefit there?
Dual exuasts, V8 falcons have them, how about V8 aurions? or the fact that dual exuasts aren’t a design inline 6cyl vehicles use?? umm hello! not an engineering advance!
POWER, aurion can’t tow and seat 5 adults and haul up a hill like falcon can, whats the maximum to rating on aurion compared to falcon again? We aren’t talking tarago or rav-4, we are taling about aurion!! ok?
Falcons beats aurion easily for torque rating, while aurion may beat BF11 for a total of 10 KW taking RWD into account? show some proper figures of drivetrain losses and you might have a valid point! Torque differences are greater than any RWD losses, while 0-100 times etc are lineball!! some tests show aurion faster, some show BF11 faster. All the while FG will be better than BF11 which you are currently comparing? correct?
SUSPENSION…
You claim FG is not 80%-90% new? i asked you what suspension aurion uses? fact is aurion uses suspension designs that are the same as the previous shaped camry!!
Your ability to plead ignorance when you please won’t get you out of this one…
I asked what overall position did aurion come in the ‘wheels’ handling tests…not 2nd higher up than that…and the XR6 was used as a benchmark vehicle, was the aurion, NO.
YOU should provide evidence that the aurion has NEW suspension, YOU’RE the one claiming FG is not NEW…LOL my god you will stonewash anything!
FG comparisons…
No, there are none, you now claim FG will be worse than BF11!!?? you are simply an idiot bud!
higher centre of gravity?? hmmm yep ok!
You have driven an aurion? LOL for 1 hour perhaps? i’ve driven an aurion for 5 days flat! then drove a BF falcon direclty afterwards for one week.
I drive all makes models home everyday, i get given the choice!
Aurion is mushy ride and body control, torque steers, and vague steering.
BF is more entertaining to drive, better steering, better body control
EVERYONE is differnet to what i’m saying?? LOL nope that your wet dream again. I’m going to start finding as many comparions as i can and strt linking them on here for you…
I’ll wait for FGs release and watch you cringe as aurion places 2 and 3rd…
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April 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
TP you said: “Regardless your claims are incorrect, the Aurion is faster, its better handling and it offers far more features. In terms of looks its subjective, but I prefer a well finished vehicle, the Falcon aint one of those. Its merely an upgrade of sheet metal, they didn’t modernise it with LEDS, projectors or dual exhausts.”
Ok now give me the answer for these now we know you can answer questions….
Explain this.
“Regardless your claims are incorrect”
“Aurion is faster”(need more detail. can any model Aurion beat any Falcon?)
“Aurion better handling”
“In terms of looks its subjective, but I prefer a well finished vehicle, the Falcon aint one of those. Its merely an upgrade of sheet metal, they didn’t modernise it with LEDS, projectors or dual exhausts.”(I just told you it’s more than a sheet metal upgrade, can you read?)
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April 3rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm
How many times do we need to say, You never give us your source TP about the Falcon is just sheet metal upgrade and not anywhere near 80-90% new.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 1:46 pm
TP is just a keyboard warrior, nothing more or less. I also guess TP is between 20-25 years old, you can tell by his ignorance and playing dumb attitude.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 1:49 pm
TP didn’t even tell us where he got this quote from…
“I work for a big hire car company and drive these home every day. The Aurion shits all over the XR6’s we have on fleet. Ask anyone who works in the rent a car game and has these on fleet, they will tell you the same thing. The XR6 handles like a slug too, the Aurion ok, but the 380 handles bloody awesome. Aurion/380 also crap all over Falcon/Commodore for reliability. I’m sure if there was a Ford or Holden badge on it most Aussies would say they are awesome.“
Who ever wrote that really doesn’t know….A Front wheel drive is not better at handling, it may feel like it’s better, but as soon as you slide it’s better to be in RWD than a FWD. This article is about the NEW Ford Falcon, not the old out of date one.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Everyone .just ignore that TP idiot………..he has no credibility at all and he is just here to stir eveyone up. Dont worry though….once the FG is out and about and tested he wont be here anymore bencause he it will shit on his beloved Camry Aurion and the VE.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 1:52 pm
excuse the typo’s in above post !!!!! lol
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April 3rd, 2008 at 1:54 pm
TP, just get over this “Aurion better than Falcon” mate, if you can talk positive about Ford for once, maybe we could get along alot better.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 2:26 pm
TP, what in hell are you smoking, must be good can you share me some…………
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April 3rd, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Haha I have no crediblity, the ONE person who backs up his stuff with external sources…idiots.
Adam your post is littered with typical Ford fairy fluff.
The Aurion is faster from standing to 10 :
drive.com.au/Editorial/MiniSite/MiniSiteArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=45850&MiniSiteID=6
The Aurion also is more practically faster, with its rolling 60-100km/h acceleration per Wheels beting 0.4 second faster
The Aurion has better dynamics… a base model matches an XR6, try Sportivo, Aurion easily wins, as per Wheels test.
The Aurion has the best build quality but more importantly, the best reliability. Commodore and Falcon EQUAL last:
drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=39115
And overall, the simply test, Drive shows the Aurion is the leader. Also of note, Falcons ordinary handling and also the Commodores superiority (something people have tried to falsely claim doesn’t exist)…
“The Falcon lacks equipment, has over-sensitive steering and an uneasy ride on bumpy bends. The Commodore handles like a race car but doesn’t have an engine to match”
drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=21521
For the remainder of your post, which is prity much lies upon lies like the other parts… you don’t even know hour own cars, the V8 Falcons don’t have duals. Even the FPV Typhoon doesn’t…. only GT. Continuing on about towing you’ve been had, clearly its application in Tarago and Kluger, both people movers, shows it can handle it. The kluger even won people mover of the year from Drive:
drive.com.au/Editorial/MiniSite/MiniSiteArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=45854&MiniSiteID=6
So whats next, as usually tell me other unbiased sources are incorrect are you people are right? Yaaaaaaaawn.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Should also note that Drive in hit for six noted the best car would be Aurions engine with Commodores handling. NO MENTION OF FALCON. Because clearly, its inferior.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 2:44 pm
TP…
I’ve used ‘wheels mag’ you use one or 2 of drives tests, what dynamics feeling do you get when you see camry failing against epcia, mazda 2 against yaris, the same outcome as aurion against it’s class competitiors…
Aurion came 4th moron, not second overall. wnat me to post the handling test.
Funny how you choose to uses ‘wheels handling test’ yet totally ignore thier comparsion tests!? why?
I’ll try and find some other comparison tests from motor also…
I will easily admit that not all V8 falcons have due exuasts, all FPV V8s do.
I don’t know our own cars!? whats a typhoon a V8 or turbo 6??? lol
TP…
What is the towing capacity of the AURION!!???????????
BF11??????? please tell me…not rav-4 or tarago! for god damn sake family sedans, remember?
Now where is your little drive.com link to show Ford is lying about FG being 80%-90% new and where the current camry/aurion is 80%=90% newer than the previous camry 4cyl and V6?? you made the false claims so back them up!?
BF11 is 6 years old and aurion is 2 years old, what vehicle SHOULD more competitive not just equal???
Have a link for that too?
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April 3rd, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Like cobra has asked, what are you smoking? i’d like some also!!
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April 3rd, 2008 at 2:51 pm
TP, get back on topic that is nothing to do with the FG Falcon!
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Again you try to attack me… when you provide no evidence… and you are essentially saying Drive/Wheels. is wrong, because thats who Im quoting. As for the dynamics test no idiot, it was 4th after they added the reversing vision test, but tallied up they had a purely dynamics based mark, with the Aurion second, marginally behind XR6. So base model Aurion nearly beat a sporty Falcon. Oz now when convenient ‘lets get on topic’. Well it was all along, I dont think the FG will be any different to the current Falcon in handling, its just a BF with the features it should have had two years ago.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pm
are u an idiot rick! ford spent 800 million on that fg platform back in 98 which equals to about 1 billion in 2006 terms, and don’t forget ba (400-500 mill) facelift was more than twice as much as the vx of course the ve was going to spend 1 billion on a clean sheet are u stupid or what what materials are in the fg don’t they use platsic? is the black meant to mean platsic? what do ford use? the interior door handles are so thin i almost broke it at the motor show did u notice how thin they are? rear lights are almost like a ba and the front is like a mondeo/bf and the side stance is shocking! This car will not outsell the ve this year and wont be exported. That’s right sell 1 fairlane in a month, worst sales of the falcon in their history will they recorver no! infact the ef outsolde the au and the ef was sold only for two years and the au four.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Well Well TP…
You use Drivel.com.au for sources nothing to do with the FG Falcon. But notice you never show any sources about your claim the new Falcon is just a sheet metal update. It looks like Drive says FG Falcon is all-new after all.
Go to:
media.drive.com.au/?rid=35542
media.drive.com.au/?rid=35661
Now, Don’t say they wrong because that means what you supporting from them in you last few posts are wrong because it came from drive.com.au
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:14 pm
HSV Senator: I don’t agree with you, but at least we’re back on the topic and not trying to compare an Aurion with a FG Falcon that hasn’t even been released.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:17 pm
HSV Senator, show us your source about the new Falcon using an AU platform from 1998. I doubt you could ever come up with anything from after it was unveiled. When the FG Ford Falcon was unveiled, that myth about the Falcon being just sheet metal update is busted!
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:23 pm
I attack you when you say Ford is lying about FG being 80%-90% new, prove otherwise, you’re the one claiming it to be a lie.
Reality is FG will be newer than waht camry/aurion is, hard to swollow?
You quoted wheels for the dynamics test only, while in the real world aurion falls short of the it’s RWD competition for entertaining dynamics.
You then quote drive.com comparisons which we all know aren’t as comprehensive as wheels or motor…
Did aurion win wheels car of the year, in fact when was the last Toyota to win??
You do know that handling dynamics are mixture of ride control, sedate handling, emergency handling on the limit and how a vehicle corrects itself after exceeding the limit?
Aurion got an OVERALL rating of 4th position, the total of the dynamics test, look at camry, 7th due to the fact that it has a sluggish 4cyl engine only proving aurion climbs the ranks due to a more powerful engine…
Why did wheels use an XR6 as a benchmark and not an aurion?
I bet XT BF11 falcon wouldn’t be much different to an XR6 anyhow, same basic dynamic setup.
Your last sentence then reads, FG is just a BF11???
So would that make the current camry/aurion the same as the previous camry but with more features 2 years down the track??
You ownder why i question you? wake up and smell reality, you call Holdena dn Ford on updated platforms and powertrain while EVEYOTHER make and model does EXACTLY the same process…
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
It was always on topic Tonyn, the Aurion is a competitor, a benchmark… you naturally compare it to that.
Lol oz its Ford workers speaking about Ford… how is that reliable, its called marketing! The sources I provide a Drive derived artivles, not videos of Ford speaking about their car.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Bla bla bla Adam. Face the facts, the Aurion matches a Faclon in handling…smashed it in power… smashes it for features. Perhaps you should listen to the stats, Camry + Aurion combination outsell Falcon by miles. Aurion has won Drives car of the year for the last two years. The Drive test is far more practical, based on real world scenarios, then Wheels 100km/h around gravel bend tests… or testing on Holdens own testing ground!
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:28 pm
TP said: “Lol oz its Ford workers speaking about Ford… how is that reliable, its called marketing! The sources I provide a Drive derived artivles, not videos of Ford speaking about their car.”
Looks like your sources about the Aurion being better than the BF Falcon are now false because you don’t believe drive. If it really was wrong, why is drive saying they “all-new” them selves?
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:28 pm
HSV Senator…for your information as you clearly are just as deluded thingking Holden doesn’t do what Ford and Toyota do, you fall from the cradle as a baby like TP??
1988’s VN commodore uses the same platform as the VL commodore which dates back to VBs 1978 platform with a buick 3.8 V6 replacing the nissan 3.0 inline 6.
VP-VS use the same platform as VN.
VT uses the same IRS as the first VN statsman of 1990, uses the same updated strut front suspension as the VS commodore.
VE uses the same V6, 4 speed, 5 speed box as VZ.
Name me ONE manufacturer in the last 5 years who has used ALL NEW componentry!????
Not even cash rich Toyota.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm
More TP rubbish! For a while I thought you just got off on stirring up a hornet’s nest but the frequency of your posts suggests you genuinely shoot your load over V6 Camrys. The Aurion being front wheel drive is something that adversely affects the way a car drives compared to rear wheel- balance/weight distribution and how it reacts in an emergency suffer as a result compared to Falcommodore. It has it’s merits I won’t argue but the TRD Aurion is hopelessly inadequate compared to even Ford and Holden’s basic sports models.
Aurion’s economy has been trumped by Falcon in Real world tests, and it lags behind with torque, those two seem more relevant to reality than what you constantly bring up.
I severely doubt the Aurion was a benchmark for Ford- BMW’s and Audi’s were for the FG.
All your doing is reminding people how shit Toyota is. Let me remind you that you come on here every day and attempt turn every thread into an Aurion spooge-fest- maybe your mum should confiscate your computer off you, you laughable little wisp of shit.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm
TP at it again arguing black is white.
Gravel road isn’t a real world senario u wanker?
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 pm
TP Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Bla bla bla Adam. Face the facts, the Aurion matches a Faclon in handling…smashed it in power… smashes it for features. Perhaps you should listen to the stats, Camry + Aurion combination outsell Falcon by miles. Aurion has won Drives car of the year for the last two years. The Drive test is far more practical, based on real world scenarios, then Wheels 100km/h around gravel bend tests… or testing on Holdens own testing ground!
Your a twat, plain and simple…kindegarden debate.
So many thigns i could pick apart but no longer can be bothered.
FG will smash, as you like to say aurion for having the ability to tow more, faster, just as fuel efficient, RWD dynamics, safer, roomier, equal quality etc…
OZ bloody good point TP believes a link of drive or wheels when it runs in favour of the aurion.
SO TP…again…
1. How new is the current camry/aurion love childs compared to the previous camry??
2. how much can an aurion tow compared to BF and FG falcon?
3. prove Ford is just marketing the FG as 80%-90% new?
4. BA won wheels car of the year, aurion didn’t. should do if it’s such an overall better package.
So noce drive does more ‘practical tests’ LOL Wheels COTY warsd are the most comprehensive of all aussie awards…
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:39 pm
wisp of shit…will have to remember that one, ha ha ha.
Yeah u to Dingo.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:41 pm
TP, How Do You Know FG Falcon Is Just A sheet metal update?
TP, How Do You Know FG Falcon Is Just A sheet metal update?
TP, How Do You Know FG Falcon Is Just A sheet metal update?
TP, How Do You Know FG Falcon Is Just A sheet metal update?
TP, How Do You Know FG Falcon Is Just A sheet metal update?
TP, How Do You Know FG Falcon Is Just A sheet metal update?
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm
TP already has a matchbox aurion lodged where the sun don’t shine
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:45 pm
LOL
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:46 pm
PoisonEagle, I agree with what you think “TP” stands for, it must be “Thread Phucker” rather than “Toyota Paul”.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:51 pm
TP get a copy of the April 2008 Motor Magazine and read the article about the FG Falcon. It will answer all your false statements about it. Or are you afraid to find out the facts?
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April 3rd, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Looks like its the shallow end of the pool here.
Back to it.
The falcons in the US could be for a number of reasons. Most probably it is for validation before final sign off before production begins.
Or it could be for testing. Or, Ford have finally come to their senses and will “plug in” the falcon to its global sales network.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Ford US would be evaluating FG platforms for the future global RWD Ford platform would be my guess, the next falcon, mustang crown victoria and possibly some Lincoln models around the 2013 timeframe. FGs won’t be exported to the us only RHD current markets.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 4:04 pm
The FG was designed to be LHD compatible, but I doubt it’s going to the states. If Dearborn brass are paying this much attention to it then maybe they have other export plans for FG ( Middle East, China). With the imminent V6 adoption, it should be a cynch for smaller Duratec25’s as some markets prefer, and thus be genuinely marketable as a budget Bimmer offshore. In regards to the new global platform, It needs to be a clean sheet, lightweight knockout as Ford are tardy to the party here.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Maybe there is a chance the Falcon could be exported to more RHD country other than the south Pacific it already goes to. I was surprised to hear about how the Territory is exported to South Africa and Sri Lanka. If a Territory could, why not a Falcon?
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April 3rd, 2008 at 4:41 pm
The Falcon is a lovely car but needs to adapt on a more international scale, to heighten the prospect for export aswell as compete against imports here.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 5:08 pm
PoisonEagle…
You would be correct, FG was designed and egineered for LHD capability but Ford has no further cash to pursue any LHD markets at this point in time.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 5:09 pm
OZ…
Current falcon is exported to the same LHD markets as territory i thought.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Sorry, I was wrong, The Territory doesn’t go to Sri Lanka, I meant Thailand, sorry.
It doesn’t look like the Falcon is exported to South Africa because I been to ford south Africa site and it only has the Territory and no Falcon
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April 3rd, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Im getting tired of this… you idiots never back your claims up, its just pissing in the wind. Claims like the Aurion isnt better then Falcon… pure lies. Its won Drives car of the year two years in a row. Similar problem with FWD BS, the Wheels dynamics test showed it shytes over Omega and at very worse even with Faclon. What I hear from you fairies isnt supported by any other sources.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Quote 1 “The Mitsubishi feel smaller and tighter than the Toyota.I feel more confident in the 380 than the Aurion”. Quote 2 “But ultimately,this is a battle between two front wheel drive cars and two more traditional raer drivers.The rear drivers hold sway on dynamics”. WHEELS ROAD TEST ANNUAL 2007 Big six comparison,XR6,SV6,VRX,ZR6.Looks like the game hasn’t changed.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 6:12 pm
here is an article about what has changed in the new falcon
drive.com.au/Editorial/MiniSite/MiniSiteArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=48300&vf=28&MiniSiteID=8
here is one about it having better driving dynamics
drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=48304&pg=1&vf=0
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April 3rd, 2008 at 6:36 pm
So you came back TP without mentioning about how you strongly believe the new Falcon is just a sheet metal update. Oh well, looks like we slammed your claim.
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April 3rd, 2008 at 7:06 pm
This is Falcon fast facts of drive, the site TP loves…
• First new Ford Falcon in 10 years, with 90 per cent new body and components.
• Ford has reportedly spent roughly $700 million on its development (although it would not disclose the amount), compared with $1 billion on the new Holden Commodore.
• All three engines have more power. The 4.0-litre six-cylinder engine has 195kW, the turbo six has 270kW and the 5.4-litre V8 has 290kW.
• All models are up to 12 per cent more fuel efficient than the ones they replace.
• All Falcon sedans have front and side airbags for front-seat occupants. Curtain airbags that cover front and back seats are optional on the basic model and standard on more expensive versions.
^According to TP, all of the above points are incorrect. What it looks like to me is he’s trying to say the new FG Ford Falcon has no more than just new exterior sheet metal. That means the dash board is exactly the same, no new look wheels on it, no power outputs increased at all, no differences done in suspension, which is complete BS. The FG Falcon has new dashboard, new wheels on the up marketed models, there certainly have been improvements in suspention and power outputs have been increased on all models at the same time there’s been better fuel economy (I6 N/A)….
I6 N/A BF = 190KW. I6 N/A FG = 195KW
I6 T BF = 145KW. I6 T FG = 270KW
V8 BF = 260KW. FG V8 = 290KW
(These power outputs are true, if FG just had new sheet metal, they wouldn’t be)
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April 3rd, 2008 at 7:28 pm
i havent read all the comments today,
but can someone tell me if its anything other than TP trying to………
Dis the new falcon by saying the whole world and even ford itself hates it.
Trying to convince us that FWD has better dynamics
or saying torque accounts for nothing
or even peddling the uneducated line of the new falcon being just a change of door handles.
if it is something else rather than the usual dribble could someone recommend it to me to read the last 90 odd comments since i last checked in here
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April 3rd, 2008 at 8:06 pm
guys in relation to drive-train losses from flywheel to tyres im pretty sure its 17% but the loss isnt much greater than a front wheel drive as TP is trying to point out above
cheers
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April 3rd, 2008 at 8:07 pm
17% for rear drive
cheers
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