2008 Ford FG Falcon pricing announced
March 27, 2008 by George Skentzos
Ford Australia has announced official pricing for its new FG series Falcon range, which begins with the entry-level XT sedan at $36,490.
Along with the XR sports sedan range, Ford has also revealed an interesting pricing position for the newly introduced sports luxury G series range.
Potential buyers will be pleasantly surprised to discover both the entry-level G6 and XR6 models carry an identical recommended retail price of $39,990.
The G6 comes exclusively with a five-speed automatic transmission and a host of standard luxury features, whilst the XR6 offers the choice of either a six-speed manual, five-speed automatic or six-speed automatic transmissions, and 17-inch, 18-inch or 19-inch alloy wheels.
Next up, the G6E which features the highly acclaimed ZF six-speed automatic transmission, leather seat trim and reverse camera as standard equipment demands a recommended retail price of $46,990.
Topping not only the G series range but also the new FG Falcon range is the G6E Turbo, which carries a price tag of $54,990.
With Ford’s XR performance turbo-six and V8 range neck-and-neck in the power stakes, pricing is appropriately identical, with the XR6 Turbo and XR8 both starting at $45,490.
Buyers also have the choice of three option packages on the FG Falcon sedan range – the Technology Pack, the Safety Pack and the XR Luxury Pack.
Available on XT, G6 and across the XR range, the Technology Pack combines Bluetooth mobile phone integration with iPod compatibility for a recommended retail price of $450.
The Safety Pack incorporates side curtain airbags, power adjustable pedals (automatic transmission models only) and a perimeter alarm on the same selected models, for a recommended retail price of $600. Side curtain airbags are also available as a stand alone option for $300.
The XR Luxury pack essentially maintains the bold exterior of the XR range whilst incorporating the specifications of the luxury G series range. The pack includes leather seat trim, dual zone climate control, Premium audio system, sports steering wheel and interior finishes, and 19-inch alloy wheels.
On the XR6, the XR Luxury Pack is available at $5,400 and includes an upgrade to 19″ wheels, while on the XR6 Turbo and XR8 models the price is $5,000.
Together with the sedan, Ford has also announced pricing for its all new ute range – as well as a new addition.
Some of you may recall Ford registering the R6 namesake a while back which stirred much controversy – including claims of an ultra-sports model, this has materialised in the form of the R6 ute, a segue between the standard Ford ute workhorse and the sports-biased XR ute range.
The FG Falcon ute range starts at $27,795 for the Falcon Ute Cab Chassis with the new six-speed manual transmission and extends up to $39,490 for the both the XR6 Turbo and XR8 sports models with the optional ZF six-speed automatic transmission – or $1000 less with the manual.
The price differential between Styleside Box and Cab Chassis variants has been reduced to a common $400 increment on Falcon Ute, R6 and XR6 models.
The Falcon ute range also offers identical Techonology and XR Luxury packs as the sedan, carrying a price of $450 and $4000 respectively.
The Safety pack incorporates side head/thorax airbags and a perimeter alarm for a recommended retail price of $600 in the ute.
An XR Sports pack unique to the ute range offers 18-inch alloy wheels on top of the Technology pack for $1000.
Recommended retail pricing for the new BF Falcon Wagon MkIII remains unchanged at $37,720, despite the addition of Dynamic Stability Control as standard equipment on the petrol model – E-Gas dedicated LPG engine option also remains unchanged at $1,400.
2008 Ford FG Falcon pricing summary:
- 2008 Ford FG Falcon XT $36,490
- 2008 Ford FG FalconXR6 $39,990
- 2008 Ford FG FalconXR6T $45,490
- 2008 Ford FG FalconXR8 $45,490
- 2008 Ford FG Falcon G6 $39,990
- 2008 Ford FG Falcon G6E $46,990
- 2008 Ford FG Falcon G6ET $54,990
Options
- 6spd automatic transmission $1,500
- Egas $1,400
- XT 16″ alloys $500
- XR 18″ alloys $1,000
- XR luxury pack $5,000 ($5,400 on std XR6) inc leather, permium, dualzone, 19″ alloys
- G6 & G6E 18″ alloys $1,000
- G6ET 19″ alloys $2,000
- Techonolgy pack $450 inc blutooth and ipod intergration
Good to see Ford are the only ones who have a dedicated LPG motor (not dual fuel). Whilst not an upgraded LPG configuration, it offers better fuel economy then a dual fuel VE……even more so in real driving terms and not just on paper! Its people like TP who go on with rubbish idiotic comments that I have it wrong on that front as VE’s Iam not disputing is a better system a tad over a Falcon……..but on economy stakes only is what I refer to! WAKE UP DUFUS!
And if we change the Falcon to skinnier tyres as wide….it will improve again. Even against Aurion who possess real skinny tiers to nudge it under 10litres per 100kms combined cycle! THE GAME HAS CHANGED……put shyte skiiny as tyres on! OH WHAT A FEELING………TIGHT WAD TOYOTA!
Nm are you stupid or what? How is not having a dedicated LPG a bad thing…. its a bad part on Ford. Geeeezus you are slow. The Commodore system, and now Im repeating myself, is acknowledge as being far superior to Fords, running like a regular petrol engine with its injection system. It only uses 0.9L per 100km MORE but it loses only 5kw from regular compared to 34kw on the Falcon!! On top of all this, if you cant find LPG you are screwed, meanwhile with duel your fine.
Back on topic though, the base price seems abit high… maybe I missed it but features on higher models are provided, what does the base XT come with…. trans, engine, other features such as airbags etc? Given its price, it would want to come well equiped.
Mate, I really don’t need to hear your rubbish, i’ll take the facts thanks.
TP….mate rattle that head of yours as go talk to a person who has a VE dual fuel stupid and I compare this to my BF LPG ute. The guy was livid at economy. But then again, why bother with you as your so theorised with your own stupid opinions, chat rooms, forums and dont live in the real world most times. Mate Iam saying the VE’s system is superior yes…..not on fuel economy and I suggest a dose of reality as last night you stated its 1.0ltre difference and today 0.9litre difference – so LOL forget your recall as what will you change it to tomorrow.
Obviously you also have a lot of hassle getting your basic mind around the costs of LPG in Falcon and also on Commodore….there is some $3K diff in upgrade and that is a lot for the battler and you can shove your lose 30kw or so outta Falcon. Would of thought you would of had more cents (sense)……obviously you are wrong!
I’m really shocked, the XT is a little bit more expensive than I was expecting. If Ford wants to bring back the “family sedan” back into Falcon, it should be a little cheaper than that!
“sports-biased XR ute range” WTF, do you mean “sports-based”? :?
LOL, that biased Holdenwoo drool I replied to is gone!
Tech and safety packs should be standard across the range!
Style side deletion should save u more than $400.00.
Oz, its stupid idiots like you with the Holdenwoo comment that gives other car lovers bad names. Do not forget Ford were the first to sell a South Korean Car as a Ford i Australia. Should we call the m Fordia and also dont forget where the Focus is built, Its not Korea but it is a third world country.
Regardless, you cannot call Holden that without expecting Holden fans to come back at you. To get respect you need to earn it.
I agree with you TP, the starting price should actually be the price when they have all the optionals. The safety pack should be standard and this is how I think the wheels on the G-Series and XRs should be…
• Forget about the 17″ | 18″ should standard and the 19″ A No Cost Option.
• The option wheels of the XR range should be No Cost Option.
Frosty: YOU CALLING ME A STUPID IDIOT???????????? You are a real wanker!!!
Did you actually see the stupid biased comment that was just removed???? And you actually support that anti Ford idiot like that???????
You should be ashamed of your self, Do your self a favour, take a hike back to you GM Holden forum unless you can control your Immature attitude, Twit.
realcars,
yeah ive never been able to grasp how the style syde tray is worth only 400 bucks!!!!
i had the drivers side skin replaced on my tray a while back and the silly bugger who hit me got a bill of over 2K in the mail from my insurance company.
TP,
i doubt you even know how the commodore LPG system works. quick you better go google it so it sounds like you do. (thats your style isnt it?)
the system on the commy cant perform at its maximum potential whilst it has to compromise with the unleaded fuel system. Simple!!!!!
The reason why It’s called “Holdenwoo” you little twit is because Holden is mistaken as pure Australian and most of their range is Daewoo. Than you come along and accuse me because Ford sold a South Korean car as a Ford???? Ford is all over the world as “Ford” and what next? You accuse me of a Mustang is not Australian?? The Focus is not Australian?? It’s not Ford that’s known as an Australian icon, it’s Holdenwoo and they sell all this Daewoos as Holden and it gives people the intention that they Australian cars because they have the Holden badge on them.
also TP,
when a ford territory was fitted with the same sort of LPG aftermarket fitment as the commy uses, even on duel fuel the territory returned figures of 13L/100k
Hey frosty leave OZ alone, he makes more sense than most people on this site, have a dig at TP or Dingo now your talking real genuine WANKER status…..
the big winner is the buyers of the fairmont (now G6)
that drops over 3K in price.
i think a great move by ford in pitching the G6 and XR6 on the same price
the XR6 is the main private seller for ford and with the G6 at the same level of pricing, im sure they will sell quite a few of them.
i think the secret was out a long time ago that ford is happy to leave the base model for fleets and really try and separate that image from what the private buyers are after
I agree AndrewM, at least the up-market Fairmont/G6 has dropped on price and gone up in luxury.
AC Cobra: Thanks for your support, but I think he needs more help. Hopefully that idiot is gone now.
Oz “”• Forget about the 17″ | 18″ should standard and the 19″ A No Cost Option.”"
Nah mate its called marketing, if Ford can scam a few more dollars out of you for more goodies they will. You Guys get load for your money the XT would be at least $7K more over here.
Hi TP.
OZ,
yep i reckon the G6 range is bloddy decent value.
and dont you just love the interior shot of the G6 above………. sweet as……very classy
thats right no name,
OZ, i dont agree either that the base model should get every thing.
some people dont care whether its 19inch or 18 inch wheels for eg, so why should those that arent worried about them have to pay extra?
As far as I’m concerned that standard 17″ on the G-Series is excess baggage. BTW, No Name if Ford do scam extra money off me I wouldn’t care because at least it goes to a good cause! LOL
Those bigger wheels cost a fortune to put tyres on and the comfort level also reduces. Many will be more than happy with a 16″ steel wheel on.
Yeah, You could have a bargain, A G6E with the base model wheels, you get it at a cheaper price when you enjoy the classy interior!!!
not following you OZ,
the G6 doesnt get plastic wheel trims anyway
im really glad i held off with my purchase.
i cant wait to have a look at this in the flesh.
does anyone know when QLD’rs can have a squiz
I assume us QLDers will see the new look “supreme road car” in May when it hit’s the show room. Contact Phoonman in case we luckier than that. :)
Very disappointing Ford haven’t done gas injection on the FG. LPG injection is far superior to the old type mixer system. I have had both systems on various different cars & the injected method craps all over the mixer system.
Pablo,
were either of them dedicated though or were both duel fuel?
I wanna see what the G6ET performance is gonna be would it be like the XR6T.
isn’t ford’s new cars starting to look like holdens old-ish ones? (just giving my opinion)
Don’t yoo know that the 2JZ owns yoo!!
that price is completely sound the falcon has much more perfromace in XT spec.It doesnt look cheap and it will proably drive bertter.the G6E turbo is a t abrilliant price relaly considering what youy get over a satndard XR6 Turbo so get over it for is more into making a profit than volume and im sure a lot of people would buy this over that other big boofhead sedan [lets not use namese].but he fact thaqt some are saying this looks like an old commodore.with the EL sereies ford was to the market first and we all know whtat the Vn or wat ever it was klooked like [exactly the same] ot even had the smae rear window.then when ford tryed to differientetae itself everyone said no becasue it looked different so come bA and VY i can remmember who came first they looked exactly the same.WE ozzys may be sayibng that this looks the same aas a bf.But the YAnks cant get over it there shoced that thtey dont get it so get over and be happy to have a falcon at all
I think the base prices are surely high and “WILL” come back to bite Ford Australia as there is a public perception that not significantly changed (even though it has) and to this end the chief error Ford has made is they should of truly had totally brand new front headlights and rear tailights as really too similar to last model with tiny miniscule tweak! Like for me it still represents value….would need to drive one as I still slightly would plump for Toyota Sportivo as hot as (in my opinion).
Glad i got my BF Mk11 Ute [well next week], the new edition FG UTE -
-Same LPG engine
-Same kW output
-Same tray
-Same interior room
-Same look [well almost]
-WTF is actually new in the base Ute?
WOW traction control [and its optional], only would have cost me $10k more, and be the bunny for the *issues* that new models bring..
Not happy with the 30% drop of kW from ULP WTF happened there?None the less its a B I G jump from the 62kW Kia Pregio…LOL
I LOVE LPG!!
Cheers
F-0
How about we compare spec and price with falcons primary competition? ohh what an idea…
I’ve driven the latest aurion and it doesn’t even get a trip meter, but it does have the 6 speed auto! pity it doesn’t give real world fuel consumption figures that outdo falcon.
Compare everything, spec, power, refinement, handling and i think you will find XT falcon will easily be close to class leader.
Wonder why Holden has decided to fit curtin airbags, alloys and a new grille to base omega, they can’t offer a 5 speed auto.
I can’t wait for the direct comparisons to start…
Just can’t use to these letters and numbers for cars. GT-O-S, R, XR are fine but please bring back names, makes is sooo much easier to know what everyone is on about. Must be getting into the middle age bracket!
Fantastic pricing. Looking forward to when Ford release turbo-diesel models which I believe will be in 2010.
Prices of options are very reasonable, too.
ford DID sell a Korean car. And actually, it wasnt a bad car at all. It used mainly mazda designed components.
as with the holdenwoo variants, just dont have an accident in ANY of them. Festiva ( I owned one and couldnt kill it ) WAS rated at the time, equal to the mazda 121 bubble ( which it shared 90% of components ) as the most dangerous car in a crash sold here at the time.
much like barinas are now. thing is though. the festiva was got rid of in 1999. and changed TO a safer euro variant.
holden got rid of its safe euro last year, and sropped in the dangerous korean. I just pray that neither holder OR ford start selling chinese cars under their banners!!
Has anyone else noticed the omission of the RTV ute. I heard a while back that is had been dropped. As far as I know it was a good seller. It cant be the change to the Territory style front suspension.
Do we start the rumour now that it will come back later as AWD?
well xr6 and xr8 are easy enough. I still dont see whats wrong with Fairmont & Fairmont Ghia. But I dont think it would take too long to get used to G6, G6E & G6E Turbo.
I can definately say that not 1 single XT will sell for RRP, all of them will be fleet. G6 & XR6 are at the right price and same with XR6 turbo & XR8. G6E is ok but maybe G6E Turbo might be a bit much although its very similar to previous non-turbo Fairmont Ghia.
I thought from BA onwards dual fuel falcons were gas injected because they now use different injectors for petrol & gas.
Anyways I’ll save final judgement for when I take one for a drive, the BA & BF XT are so comfortable to drive compared to equivilent model commodores & Aurions so I can only see them getting better.
Yes Ford did import the Korean built Festiva, but never implied it was australian. And Focus’ are built in South Africa but the engineering and design is done in europe. Whereas the engineering and design for the rebadged daewoos is entirely Korean, apart from a different shock and spring for australian cars.
bret the RTV has been dropped for now, Ford gave their reasons but they also left the door open for a later release
BRET -
RTV is dead..
“Buy a Ranger Ute instead” pffffft
Cheers
F-0
TROY-
The Festiva is the WORST car i have ever driven, it was brand new [loaner] and when i was driving down the road the whole body was flexing and the doors pulling away from the frame…..BAD!
I think it was made by Kia?
Is it no wonder it got the lowest crash rating?
Pile of junk, take the bus and train
Cheers
F-0
Andrew M, part of the reason the styleside box is only $400 more than the cab chassis is that the latter gets higher load rated tyres(more expensive) and different rear leaf springs to allow for a one tonne load rating. It does make the syleside look like a bargain in comparison though.
Euopean Lover -
You sure on that?
In the past if you purchased a cab-chassis it come std. with 1 tonne suspension [as per my new BF Mk 11]
Cheers
F-0
I not getting involved in the technical debates above, but I reckon the new models look great. I am a HSV man (drive a ‘07 GTS) and my best mate has a Ford GT ‘06 and I reckon Fords’ updates (aesthetically speaking) are on the money… The interior photo in the article is a big improvemenbt on my mates’ interior from only 2 years back.
My my 2 bobs worth, I reckon its pointless bashing the opposition (e.g. Holden fans bashing Fords and vice versa). I reckon both makes are not overly too far apart in spec and performance. Yes, each has advantages over the other, but fundamentally its best for us all. If Ford come out with something better than last years HSV, then HSV will try to go one up next year and so on… At the end of the day both are good cars and we V8s drivers are better for it.
I know this will upset some – but I would rather drive either the latest offering from HSV and FPV over the Aurion (sick of this being compared to these beasts).
Have a good day all
these are bargain prices for the xr and g series cars. After seeing them at the motor show, they are definately worth more than what ford is asking
James, F. Yes, agree with your comments. Fair call.
Prices are comparable to the opposition.
Sounds like Ford are on a good thing Alec.
U bought a BF F-O ? and after all that Foulcan stuff Ha Ha Ha.
We can’t help ourselves and thats why Falcon is The Great Australian Road car!!!!
Finally one motor company has decided not to overprice there cars like lot of other manufacturers. 5 years ago my sister bought her BA XR6 for the same price as what these new 2008 XRs. I think now car companies realize that with the massive restructuring that they will still be making profits even though prices of cars have hardly gone up much. Watch all the manufactures follow ford and not bring up prices. These prices are gonna sting the other maunufacturers and could see Ford back to number 1 spot.
But realy in the end it all comes to petrol prices which control the car manufacturers. Mitsubishi is dead so whos next. Will it be Ford or Holden
Gheeezzz, poverty pack large family cars are getting dearer, only a matter of time before they hit the 40K mark!
If Ford can nail back Toyotas market share with these impressive new models i.e Falcon, Mondeo, Focus/Fiesta variants then there may be room for everyone. I don’t know how they will break that hex Toyota has over it’s customers.
They will have to drive hard on price and features even though in most ways there products are superior in terms of style and finesse. Don’t know if this is possible (if u have ever spoken to a Toyota owner u’ll know what I mean).
The only problem the EGas falcons sometimes have is on a really cold morning during winter they are a little harder to start than a petrol car.But besides that theyre exactly the same. Holden wont make a dedicated LPG car because the motor cannot handle it. The valves will recess because the alloytec is piece of shyte. Holden has not designed the motor properly, it will die faster than a falcon. Holden only made that option because they dont want to leave ford alone in the fleet market. And in fleets the cars get replaced every few years so they dont care if the car will die 2 years after they get rid of it. I have a 3.9 EB on LPG and its still going strong after 200k on LPG and a BA EGas Ute, the EB actually uses less LPG per 100k’s than the BA so i use it more, only done a little over 49000k’s in the BA since 2004, it sits in the shed most of the time. Dont compare holdens LPG option with ford, ford introduced it as an option way back in 1992 as a tickford option so i think ford has a lot more experience with LPG than lazy ass holden.
Minnow,pour some warm water over the gas mixer and u won’t have a prob on icy mornings. I do this sometimes with my dedicated E gas au2 ute as she lives outside most of the time. 250,000 klms and still going strong because she is a Falcon, The Great Australia Road Car!
F-O, Yes the cab chassis has always come with one-tonne suspension, i think that most people don’t realise is that the styleside box models don’t. They also have passenger car type tyres, not higher load rated ones like the cab chassis.
European Lover,
sorry mate i feel you are wrong.
the style side runs the same tyres and rims as the tray back option as with the springs (take a look at how much higher the style side XL rides compared to the XLS)
also with the XR6 ute, the style side tray is only worth 400 bucks compared to $1600 odd for the alloy tray. XR6 cab chassis comes with the same suspension and wheels as the styleside version. if you go to fords site you will clearly see that 1 tonne suspension and 1 tonne rated alloys are an option on the XR models.
sorry but the style side and tray back models run the same wheels and suspension in stock form.
F-O,
so did you finally get your bench seat? ha ha ha
i bloody hope so, so that you no longer post “bench seat please” at the end of your posts ha ha ha.
Minnow,
i also strongly recommend a battery with a higher rated “cold cranking amps”.
18 months back my battery on my LPG falcon ute carked it, and when i went to get a newbie, they had 2 options come up on their computer screen. basiclly one had more “CCA’s”
i thought yeah why not go for the ducks nuts. i dont think it was even $20 more.
well since ive had it fitted, ive found that it starts much much quicker and i notice it a hell of a lot. the starter motor turns a lot quicker and i recken it has taken a few turns of the starter less to start it.
as we all know LPG takes a few more cranks than petrol to start and you wont even be able to start it on LPG if it is a duel fuel setup.
well the better battery improves the cranking time to start it.
seriously guys, those of you with LPG, get a decent battery!!!!
Bret,
yeah i noticed the RTV was gone.
i couldnt understand it either. it was a pretty good work vehicle.
what were fords reasons Glen?
perhaps they are investing into the new light truck design instead? but really its not like the RTV took up another platform is it?
im still waiting to see whether they will consider a territory style work vehicle………
perhaps some inspiration may be drawn from it in their light truck platform design????????
Andrew.M the Commodore system cant perform to maximum potential? Yet the Falcon loses 34kw compared to 5kw in Commodore. LISTEN TO YOURSELF. I know you have LPG, your completely biased, face the facts, I know the Commodore system well, its better, deal with it!
Realcars do you honestly think the new Falcon will take much of Toyotas market share? Lets be honest. The Falcon doesnt look that impressive… I dont see any reason for it to perform similar to previous generations. Hell they didnt even price it competitively… they must be unware of the decline in large cars.
TP,
mate no you dont know the commodore system well,
all you did is look on redbook and see that holden does warrent an LPG model.
you think that holden fits LPG to their vehicles as they roll around the assembly line, so quite frankly NO YOU DO NOT KNOW THE HOLDEN SYSTEM WELL!!!!
i bet you dont even know what the commodore system is called.
and you still havent told me the reason as to why the commodore cant run the same system as ford do……
Why is that “know all”
and then earlier in the piece you tried to tell me that all LPG stock come from oil!!!!
give up on LPG TP because you only “THINK” you know it all
the falcon systen has 30 odd kw less than the petrol version because basiclly it hasnt been updated since it was introduced in AU series 11
you still havent told me how the old tech falcon system can still achieve much better economy that the commodore system.
ive told you a territory fitted with the same system as recommended for commodores achieves 13L/100k havent I?
and that is till on a compromise setting of duel fuel
just because i currently have an LPG vehicle doesnt mean im biased.
i too nearly turned the other way when the salesman uttered LPG at me. it was the stand alone LPG system that convinced me to give it a go. it instantly halved my fuel bill.
im not biased because my next purchase probably wont be another LPG falcon but rather back to petrol.
and why you might ask?
well now i can only get it in a 4sp auto and not the manual version which mine currently is. also they now raise ride height on the LPG sports models. also no traction control on LPG models, and also because there was no upgrade of the system.
had they have put vapour injection on it and offered at least a 6sp auto or 5sp manual on the XR6, i would have been in “like flyn”
^^^
well it is mainly the auto only option and no system update that will push me away.
ride height and traction control loss wouldnt bother me.
LPG is really a great product with much more poetetial, and i dont see how someone who has only owned a camry because their mum said (get a sensible car) can honestly comment on the subject
So the Omega and XT will both be $36,490.
Alloys are extra on XT! There now standard on Omega!
Realcars -
Yeap, my 3rd Falcon Ute, not perfect, but nothing better at the price….NOTHING [Otherwise i would be driving it]
Andrew M -
I MUST have a bench seat, that king-hit and killed the Commodore ute as did the lack of tray.
Really want a F150 [Not F250] but Ford Oz are not importing them………yet
Cheers
F-0
Berlina and G6 are both the same price.
XR6 and SV6 are both the same price.
But SS is $44,990 and the XR8 will be $45,490.
Will holden offer Cab Chassis on the VE ute like they did with the VZ and VY?
DUCK -
With a bench seat, maybe next time?
Cheers
F-0
I doubt Holden will offer a Cab Chassis One Tonner Ute like they did with the previous model.
However; they’re going to be building a new Crewman Ute similar to the GMC Denali Concept Pick-Up Truck they built
Which will have a unitary body more interior cabin space and a slightly longer tray section.. Its expected to be released bt 2010-12
Were did u here that Wheelnut?
Oh! Damn! A Cab Chassis VE Ute i can see it now! It would look so good!……..oh well!!!!!!
Wheelnut, If they do bring out a new commodore Crewman (probaly be a VF when it comes out) id reckon it would do well. With more space in the rear and no upright seats like in the VZ Crewman. It would be one good tradies ute!
In the future if the Crewman does go well ford might do or have to do similar like with their R5 Concept but only newer!
Hey Wheelnut, have holden fixed the problems (added) more airbags to the ute yet?
Why isnt the turning circle smaller or at least the same?
Its 11.8m up from 11.5 on BF [In the Ute]
So much for the fangled Pivot-front-suspension!
Where is the optional 1-tonne HEAVY-DUTY suspension,,,,gone
Cheers
F-0
Thats 0.4 Metres bigger than the Commodre!
duck,
i highly doubt you will see a cab chassis commodore again any time soon.
the holden cab chassis was done on a totally different platform to the style side, and the few sales they were getting didnt make it economical to support the 2 platforms.
for don the other hand has a platform that is a little more versatile. the style side and cab chassis is the exact same platform.
in the current days where holden and ford are looking even more so to reduce the number of platforms they support, i even more so doubt we will see it return
Andrew.M you are you fooling saying your not biased, you clearly are, your attacking the Commodore system who has been acclaimed by various motoring journalists as the best…. LISTEN TO YOURSELF.
As for Commodore system, I do know it well, Ive researched it when the Commodore first came out… old news to me! Ive already mentioned what its called, it runs similar to petrol injection…”Sequential Vapour Gas Injection”… it is a better system, alittle worse fuel consumption but faaaaaaaaaar more driveable with 5kw loss compared to Falcons 34kw loss (I like how you just shrug this off, its not a tiny loss… its massive)! As for your last comment, nice attempt to discredit but I think anyone who isnt biased can see your an idiot, your judgement is completely clouded.
Webwombat actually has Falcon consumption at 15.9 compared to Commodore of 16… so going off that you have:
Commodore: 0.1L more consumption with 175kw
vs
Falcon: 0.1L less consumption with 156kw
TP,
a biased person is someone who has a manufacturers name at the start of their identity i.e. “Toyota Paul”
it is actually .9L difference in consumption.
i knew you would do a web search and find out what it was called sooner or later. well done
so did you also find some sort of reference to support your idea that the LPG system is fitted to vehicles as they roll around the assembly line like you wrongly claim
Yes Sequential Vapour Gas Injection is a better system. you would have to be a total fool to think that this system can achieve its full potential whislt running a compromised set up (duel fuel)
im not attacking the commodore system just your self proclaimed expert status on the subject
a dedicated vapour gas system would out perform a petrol equivalent. from what i understood a little while back, ford had copyright issues in being able to use the system and were trying to overcome them. holden dont have those worries as the commodore system is fitted “post production”
if you had really researched it you would firstly know that. and perhaps you would also know why the commodore has to use that system and can’t possibly use the old tech system ford uses
Webwombat says 0.1 I alreaady mentioned 0.9. I think this shows the difference is negligible, yet more power in Commodore! As for production mate I dont know how this is a knock, WHO CARES… a better argument is the Commodore system costs more, but you havent mentioned this (I have to do the work for you!). But even with this the convienence of duel system wins.
TP,
the production point im making is when you went around beating your chest claiming you were right in that the LPG commodore is made on the assembly line when infact you are WRONG!!!!
are you ready to admitt you dont know as much as you think you do?
you havent reasearched it, give yourself up. you tried to bluff me, but to bad for you ive researched LPG a hell of a lot more than you. all you know is what you have done in a quick 30 second “webwombat” or “redbook” search
The LPG system in the Commodores isnt actually installed on the assembly line its done by an associated company known as Holden By Design
HBD is the company which fits all the various accessories to the cars – weathershields and canopys towbars etc
The reason being that the LPG system is an option; an option which compared to the overall volume of cars Holden make each day/week/month/year..the number of customers who would opt to have LPG fitted to their cars is miniscule
Therefore it’s not really enough to warrant the cost involed in setting up a dedicated part of the factory to install LPG online – out of the 700 odd cars made each day at Elizbeth I doubt that even 5% of them would be fitted with LPG
Wheelnut,
you dont know what the hell you are talking about. LPG is fitted on the production line (sarcasm ha ha ha ha)
also dont forget the HBD body kits
does HBD really do weather sheilds etc? i thought all that stuff was dealer fit accessories. it would only get damaged in transit.
if LPG on the commodores wasnt an after market fitment, then it wouldnt qualify for the $2000 government grant. that should speak for itself when wanting to know whether it is done during production or post production
If the Holden LPG setup, how come I dont see any LPG commodores????
Anyways back to the point of this story (falcon pricing)
The G6E Turbo is nearly the same price as the Calais V. and the XR8 is $500 dearer than the SS. Its line ball people, not one of those XR8’s or SS will sell for sticker. I don’t know anyone who walks into a car yard willing to pay full advertised price.
Andrew M, The styleside has different tyres and leaf springs than the cab chassis in the XL & XLS models. The wheels are the same on both as they are 1 tonne rated. All cab-chassis XL & XLS models are 1-tonners from factory, whereas the stylesides can be optioned up to 1-tonne at the factory or updated later on. We convert stylesides to 1 tonners all the time at work. The ride height is little different between 1 tonners and the 3/4 ton springs.
Also the reasons ford gave were the RTV took some sales away from Ranger, but they said they are looking at bringing it back later on.
SUPERHIGHWAY REDBOOK LOOKER and INTERNET JUNIOR GURU “the new Hoff” knows about LPG! LOL HEAPS! Common knowledge Ford are only ones who make LPG only motors on same assembly line as initial manufacture, whereas the others make dual fuel and car gets taken away from initial point of manufacture on assemble line to outside contractors work premises (in fact Iam certain no other car maker install dual fuel at assembly stage!). If they are soooooo good and sooooooooooo amazing a system TP as you spruik, yet head office arranges an outside contractor to do…………then thats funny as you idiot!
Look its simple, if it wasnt dedicated so that none of the ULP parts where on it, AND wasnt made on the production line, then there is no way that Ford could sell it at $1400
Further, i think thats what clinched the deal in my new BF Mk11, ONLY $500 for factory gas, its the price of the tank and a few other bits….UNBEATABLE
Cheers
F-0
PS Be REAL happy when its ready!! :-)
Dingo, Ford beats Toyota in US quality rankings in 2007…
People might have to stop making all those jokes about the quality of Ford’s cars..
Ford is Now “Fixing Reputation Daily.”
Ford Motor Co. supplanted Toyota as leader of the pack in J.D. Power and Associates’ annual initial quality rankings released Wednesday, grabbing more individual awards than any other automaker for the first time since 1998, when it tied for the top spot.
Ford ranked highest in five of 19 segments in this year’s survey. That’s two better than in 1998 — the last time a U.S. automaker was on top — when Ford tied with Toyota and Honda.
The Dearborn automaker earned segment awards for the Ford Mustang, Lincoln Mark LT, Lincoln MKZ, Mercury Milan and Mazda MX-5 Miata. Mazda is 33.4 percent owned by Ford.
Porsche again dominated the overall ranking of brands, averaging 91 problems per 100 vehicles, as it had last year. That compared with a 2007 industry average of 125 problems per 100 vehicles. Last year it was 124.
Toyota Motor Corp., which grabbed the top spot in 11 segments last year, captured only four this year — the 4Runner, Sequoia, Tacoma and Lexus RX350/RX400h.
Toyota’s Lexus luxury brand, which averaged 94 problems per 100 vehicles.
Toyota had seen its list of quality leaders decrease in a quality study released Monday by Strategic Vision Inc., a San Diego-based market research company and consultant to automakers. Despite improving its overall quality, Toyota led in one category in that study — down from four in 2006. South Korean automaker Hyundai Motor Co. led in five categories, outperforming its Japanese, European and U.S. competitors. Last year, it had no winner
There’s no clear answer for Toyota’s drop. But several vehicles brought its quality performance down 2007 and also this year, including the Corolla, Prius and Lexus models.
TOYMOTA IS NO SPICE FOR LIFE CARDIGAN WEARING GIRLS LIKE DINGO = TP……
WATCH THIS SPACE DINGO = TP, FORD IS MUCH BETTER, SALES MEAN NOTHING LOSER, TOYMOTA WILL SUFFER DOWN THE TRACK..
FORD’S NEW FALCON WILL BE A WELL APPOINTED, SUPERBLY PRICED, QUALITY MASTERPIECE AND WORTH EVERY CENT………
Andrew M,
2003 Rodeo was duel fuel – mixer type for the first 80,000km (Holden couldn’t fix backfire problem). They then installed the injected system under warranty – it transformed the car – same power & economy whether running on LPG or ULP.
The missus had a duel fuel EF wagon (mixer type) – plugs & leads had to changed regularly to stop backfire & help smoothness.
Old company car was AUII sedan (gas only – mixer type) – no backfiring, but very thirsy & slow.
Andrew M,
Read the Ford website regarding the Falcon’s specifications, it says the styleside ute models have 3/4 tonne suspension STANDARD and 1Tonne is OPTIONAL, same with tyres. This has been the case with all Falcon utes since the AU was released. Given that I have owned several of each, and replaced countless sets of tyres, in this case i think i am correct. The “load rated” tyres are on average $40 more(each) to replace than the standard tyres(which are shared with the sedans and wagons).
The pricing on the falcon, sort of what i was expecting. The fact that the G6 and XR6 are the same is very smart, to me the G6 looks much more attractive.
What i’m most interested in, in the FG falcon is the size and position of the LPG tank. And TP, despite all the “high tech” injection method on the commodore, you keep saying the power is so much higher, but for some reason your missing out on the torque figures. The EGAS motor is 374nm at 2750rpm, compared to the commodore of 325nm at 2600rpm. Your argument about power is negated by the fact that the EGas motor has a lot more torque. The fact that the LPG motor has more torque than the petrol commodore is hilarious. Get over it, the inline 6 trounces the piddly v6 in a commodore. But yes, the commodore is brilliant on LPG when it runs for the short time it does :) ive driven a VX on LPG. And on this commodore, every time i turned right the wonderful low fuel alarm would beep, even though it had half a tank, what would i expect from a holden… Was expecting it to be significantly weaker but i wouldn’t have known the difference between petrol and lpg until i looked at the switch.
Help why cant I post on this thread?
Ok thats weird that worked but when I cut n paste some info I was given last week on a more extensive costing list for the options it wont? Anyone else having same problem yet? Try posting the list buy itself under this post.
Naaaaaaaaaa,wouldn’t work.
See if this works.
Option / Option Pack RRP ($)
ZF six-speed auto 1,500 E-Gas (with 4-spd auto) 1,400,16″ alloy wheels (XT) 500,17″ alloy wheels (XT) 1,000,18″ alloy wheels (G Series / XR)
• G6 & G6E / XR6
1,000,19″ alloy wheels (G Series / XR)
• G6 & G6E / XR6
2,400,19″ alloy wheels (G Series / XR)
• G6ET / XR6T & XR8
2,000,Full size steel spare wheel 100,Full size alloy spare wheel 250,Reverse sensing system 500,Reverse camera 500
Curtain & side thorax airbags 300,Leather seat trim 2,100
Premium sound 1,100,Satellite navigation 2,000,Prestige paint 400,Tow pack (1600kg) 495,Technology Pack 450
Safety Pack 600,XR Luxury Pack
• XR6
5,400,XR Luxury Pack
• XR6T & XR8
5,000, {Not sure if they have upgraded the premium sound but I wouldn’t pay for it……..sound system in current FPV range is crap!!!!!!Not sure what brand it is but Ford hopefully have changed it.
Yeehaaa…………..seems I had to change the original layout I was provided ………..CA have some tricky new program that picks up cut and pasted info .Smarty pants!
Back to bed for me now daylight savings is over its only 4.06 here…………big bed no Brembo and a spare hour to kill in the cot this morning ,sigh!!!!!!!
Hey Missile thats my philosophy, except when it comes to that it is always and not just a hour thing with bed……think of that Missy as thats how it should be! Now….dam she has gone rowing!
Gone rowing ?????????At least the curtains wont get faded for the remainder of the year and the cows now when to be milked,hahaha. Day Light Savings,I love it but seems most in the West dont.
Make that “know when to be milked”
FFS my posts are awaiting moderation for no reason at all… you people will have to wait for them
TP
I don’t think that we will have to wait for your inane unfounded narrow-minded comments because we can pretty much assume that they’ll be along the lines of
Toy-yoda is: Bloody Awesome; The Leaders; The Innovators..
whilst BMW-Merc-Audi-Porsche-Aston Martin-Ferrari-Nissan-Volkswagen-Lamborghini-Konnigsiegg-Ford-Holden are crap; are copy cats etc.. as per usual
Am I right?
Unfounded… interesting despite the fact Im the ONLY one who supports his comments wit external sites. Idiot… am I right!?
Well babe your my MR RIGHT………and absolutely undeniably correct on the non cool wall making Toyota……they are the imitators not the innovators.
I thought this was about pricing TP on Fords not stroke my Toyota ego thread………..again! Tell me TP can you give us some cost of options on the Camry/Aurion so we can compare ,at least Toyota have right to be in the conversation then!
TP you’re not the only one to refer to other sources for proof etc… there have been a number of other bloggers on this website who have referred to other automotive websites / publications etc to back up their statements
I believe that one of the [rather unique] options with the Camry/Aurion is “Driver Credibility” however; its so damn expensive that no-one who buys an Aurion can actually afford it.
Hey if you combine Camry and Aurion together you get Cum-on
TP must stand for Thread Phucker, because I foolishly expected a discussion on the topic but invariably find your blight manifesting itself. A blight of blandness you seem determined to share your sick fetish with everybody.Being a Toyota obsessor is the automotive equivalent of sponge-bathing a 90 year old lady to get your rocks off. I dont know why you’ve persisted with that tag. Everyone knows you have devoted your cause to Toyota and you have zero credibility.
On topic, I think the car represents outstanding value except in base model form. Ford and Holden need to revert back to sub $25k fleet packs to increase volume, and maybe direct their ‘BMW Inspired ~~’ to the new 520d- Im sure this formula can be applied to LPG or shut up the cynics.
I could not agree with you any more Poison Eagle. I hope TP can read your post, not get abusive and realise how alot of his posts are just totally useless dribble.
Another day, another weird comment by TP!
Missile, yes other half is on fitness regime rowing heaps so thats what I was referring to munchkin!
Exactly right NM. This is Almost like dejavu (if thats how you spell it)!!! :P :P
Naaahh you never have TP. just inverted commas with Dept of Energy somewhere in there.
Euro Lover and Glen,
mate sorry you are right on the base models, but i was mainly referring to the upper models XR6 etc.
on the base model XL I knew they had the same load rated rims so i assumed the tyres were too. perhaps the S/S versions i have interacted with were optioned.
and with the springs,
as you cant easily see under the S/S models, i thought the extra height was the indicator that they posessed the same rated springs.
but with my apologies out of the way, my thoughts in relation to the XR models still remain.
the XR6 cab chassis does come with the same suspension and wheels, whilst only having to fork out $400 for a style side tray.
how can a Style side tray be only worth a $400 premium?
it is exactly the same as its Cab chassis brother in every other respect
Glen,
yeah shame on them for pushing the RTV aside in favour of the ranger (if that was the case)
perhaps they have sent the RTV over to their Jap mates to show them how to engineer a real work ute ha ha ha ha
^^^^No they shoulnd’nt Andrew M, because the Japanese would know its not safe enough!!!!!! There not dumb!
**OFFICIAL!** BEST SEDAN IN OZ!!
From www . carsales . com . au
“Blue Oval fans can exhale… The new FG range is on the road, and it’s good… Very good” TICK!
“In fact, while we’ve driven the car in isolation — but on roads we know well — we’d go so far to say Ford now builds the best large car Down Under.” TICK!
“In short, the car is improved from the BF (and its variants) in a number of key areas. In our opinion it now shades Holden’s VE Commodore in terms of an overall package at base model level and above.” TICK!
“Omega’s rattly, at times breathless V6 and four-speed auto are more than ever, simply off the pace.” TICK!
“The FG’s overhauled turbo six meantime is a story in itself. It no longer even sounds like a local engine. When provoked it produces a syrupy, aggressive yet flavourful note, that’s part-Skyline GTR, part-BMW. While it can be viciously thirsty if you’re using all 530Nm-plus, when we could restrain ourselves from exercising its amazing, relatively lag-free midrange, we were able to easily better 10L/100km on the highway.
Already our colleagues at Wheels and MOTOR magazine are talking about sub-5.0sec 0-100km/h times as achievable from a turbo six FG.” TICK TICK
“Mark our words, Ford will have to work very, very hard to power-up its new generation V6 to match the new turbo I6’s combination of refinement and performance, let alone surpass it. Even matching the base engine will be a challenge.
Steering turn-in, accuracy and feel — an advantage Falcon has traditionally held over Commodore — is improved, right across the new range. The FGs all exhibit a wieldiness that few large cars (from anywhere in the world) can better.” TICK TICK
“Not everything was perfect, however. In the G-Series cars and base XT we found the seat cushion too soft and felt long haul comfort may now be compromised. More investigation is necessary.” NOT TICK!
Well donr Ford, how many can you sell though?
Cheers
F-0
I don’t know about you guys but if I was looking at a falcon (which I am not) I would want an XR6 with a 6 speed ZF on factory dual fuel. Which I couldn’t have as factory. I have been in all the falcons in the range (but not the FG’s yet, so i can’t say this is correct at the moment) my mother owns and drives an XT falcon dual fuel every day, ive driven fairmonts, XR6’s, Ghias and territory’s. I drive a holden but have never been partial to holden or ford.
From what I can pick up from my experience is that the ford 6 is a fantastic engine, has a lot of torque even at the low end. For speeds under 80km/h (city driving) you don’t even need to push it past 1750rpm to get up to speed (mind you thats not quick).
I’ve always hated the 4 speed transmission they have in the fords, the ’sports’ shift is pointless it takes around 1 year to change up and 2 years to change down gears. the only use I can find for it is changing into forth and keeping it there when doing around 80-100kms, but the problem there is it sharpens up the throttle response as well which makes it harder to keep at a constant throttle.
The 4 speed trans on holdens has always been much better in my option, quicker shifts up and down and just feels better all around.
I also agree, althought I haven’t tried it that these ZF gear boxes, they must be the best avalible in australian cars. Thats why I would get one if it was my choice. anything to keep the revs lower at 110kp/h (which is where I do most of my driving) the better.
The XT suspension is SHOCKING and its I am a little bias here because the ride on my car is VERY firm. But even still, the XT bounces around uncontrolably and with cambers on the road makes it really hard to tell where the wheels are going. Don’t get me started on the body roll.
Every time I get in an XR6 I feel like I’ve gone forward 10 years in car terms. It looks alot better and despite it being alot lower its still very comfortable and planted at the same time. It alway been a very good handling/comfort comprimise. I thought maybe this was because of the weight.
All the controls on the falcons are light and don’t really have much feel or feedback, which is not such a bad thing to make it all the more comfortable to drive, althought the powersteering could be a little tighter.
The controls on holdens feel like your in more control of whats going on and depending on who you talk to thats a good or a bad thing.
The other thing I find annoying about the falcons which I hope they have improved on the latest models is the space. You look at the XT from the outside and it is a big car, but when you get inside it feels almost costraphobic. older falcons such as the AU’s feel like they have more space, holdens from 10 and 15 years ago have alot more space. I understand about the safety issues implied there but alot of other car companies around the world do better with there space, just for an example the VW golf is a small car with a 5 star NCAP safety rating but with the drives seat in my seating position (and I’m over 6 foot tall) there is still more leg room in the back of the golf than in a falcon.
And as far as dual fuel goes. My parents have had dual-fuel cars since I can remember and after all that I don’t really have a bad thing to say about them, just alot of tips. If I were to have a dual fuel system I would probably get the smallest gas tank possible because of the weight issues (100-150kgs usually), I would personally only use it on longer drives and I would always use petrol while the engine is cold. Its absolutely true that gas kills the power and thats the case in all cars (I haven’t tried the new gas injection, but again that would be my choice if I was getting dual-fuel). On hot days its even worse. but if you can go 250-300kms on the highway for less than $10, there is not much arguing with that.
But as for now, on an off note, I looking at getting a VZ SV6 6Speed Manual put it on gas with a donut tank (small 35-40L gas tank that fits in the spare wheel compartment). What her in 6th on the highway at 110 on gas should give me 9-10 l/100kms (remember that gas is around 30% less efficient than petrol). And thats a big car, heaps of space, big boot (no gas tank taking up space, plenty of power (on petrol), economic and safe.