Ford Australia’s global RWD platform in doubt

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By Alborz Fallah | March 25th, 2008

With the U.S. economy in serious trouble, car companies have had to reshuffle their plans for the next few years. One of the many negatives resulting from a weakening U.S. dollar (and the strong Aussie dollar) is the declining profitability of exports.

News from Detriot today has brought Ford Australia fans some bad news, according to Bryce Hoffman from the Detroit News, Ford Motor Co. is bringing its rear-wheel-drive development back to the United States.

The Falcon platform has been the blue oval’s global RWD platform for some time, although Ford Australia has not enjoyed the export success of its main rival Holden.

But with reports today suggesting that Ford America has already given the green-light for an American designed vehicle platform to form the basis for a new generation of rear-wheel-drive cars, the future of the Aussie icon is not looking good.

The new RWD platform is destined to be the basis for numerous Ford and Lincoln sedans, it will also be used for the all-new Ford Mustang. The report goes as far as to say the next generation Ford Falcon will also make use of the American designed RWD platform.

But don’t panic just yet, none of these cars will see the light of day for at least another 3-4 years.

“On rear-wheel-drive, as we have already stated, we are working on a new platform and portfolio of vehicles,” Derrick Kuzak, Ford’s global head of product development, said Friday. “We will have more to say in the future.”

The loss for Ford Australia could be huge, potentially leaving Holden as the only Australian manufacturer that designs and builds its own platforms. That doesn’t seem to worry Ford America though as the need for a cheap and reliable RWD platform is crucial. Analysts have blamed the currency conversion rates as the main cause.

“You don’t save any money with Australian dollars anymore, there are economies of scale in engineering too.” said Jim Hall of 2953 Analytics LLP in Birmingham

According to Hall many Americans are starting to get sick of FWDs, opting to go back to traditional RWD cars.

“Americans have had 28-plus years of being hit over the head with the idea that front-wheel-drive is better, but there are segments of the market — here and abroad — that want rear-wheel-drive. They (Ford) need it for China, they need it for the Middle East and they need it for North America if they want to sell to certain enthusiasts.”

It’s not all bad news for Ford Australia though, there is a good possibility that Ford will follow in GM’s footsteps and export its Aussie built large sedans. The Falcon could indeed be sent to the U.S. and the middle-east within the next few years as the manufacturer pushes to simplify its global vehicle lineup.

The one message that is crystal clear out of all the confusion, is that Ford America’s market research is showing that Americans are starting to feel the need for RWD cars again.

Source: Detroit News.

Joober

Yep no suprise here, its not a good condition to start an exporting base in Aus with such a strong dollar to dollar conversion, and perhaps wont be for a long time.
Myke

To would be wise for FMC to invest in RWD for Ford and Lincoln. Considering that they also want to make Lincoln a global luxury car brand, they have very little hope if all their offering is FWD vehicles and a RWD car sitting on the panther platform, which has been around longer then dinosaurs.
http://aca Ford/GM In Trouble

Do these markets really want RWD as much as they state or are the American owned manufactuers gonna try push this propaganda because they know they will struggle to survive otherwise.

Mmmm …

Ford Oz have also stated that if the sales of the Falcon does not improve then they will have to re-evaluate competing in the V8 Supercars.

In all honestly, the American companies are struggling to grasp stability as they are really not sure what to do or what path to travel and this is evident becuase of all the ‘come and go’ projects that Ford and GM have been throwing around for the past few years.

Also, the new approved CAFE laws have caused grieve with GM as they have had to cancel a number of projects because they would have not satisfied the new regulations.
o

good bye falcon it should be europe or oz
europe can manufacture a car for a start and make it look good while oz has 60 years of rwd knowledge instead american desginer and engineers would of gone we can do better just to keep ther lousy jobs
Andrew M

how come the australian “falcon recipe” cant be taken and manufactured in the US.
many many US residents can be seen with their face smudged against the glass looking at what Ford OZ delivers and saying why dont they give us that.

i doubt exports of the falcon will ever happen.
as ive said many times the US dollar is killing that proposition.
also we cant expect the US to turn to fully importing what we give them as they have job conservation on their mind too (and rightly so)

but why the hell not use the better platform (ford OZ’s) and replicate it in the US???????

are the americans really this stubborn? dont they want to be seen using something they didnt think of?

i tell ya what, a freshly designed Ford US RWD Platform stll wont come any where near to being as good as the current BF platform
Matt

OMG Ford why take a great rwd system and stuff it up by taking it to America why why why
http://aca Dingo

Andrew – that’s what happens when your beloved Australian manufactuers are owned by yanky bosses … they do little for the companies in Oz. It’s what happens when only a penny or two is left rattling in the kitty-tin.
TP

You know why it cant be taken overseas AndrewM? Because that falcon recipe is one for Ramses kitchen nightmares.
Andrew M

Golf,
where did you go dude? i need a little help with our little sporting chant.
1, 2, 3……. “TP’s a W*NKER”……

Dingo,
well i suppose we can say at least GM and ford allow their Australian divisions to design a car in australia. no other company gives their australian division that much rope do they
TP

1, 2 ,3 Ramses Kitchen Nightmare. Ford are a business, it the Falcon platform was great theyd run with it… clearly they know its inferior.
http://aca Dingo

The Aurion was re-designed in Australia. Besides – local design ain’t gonna help the extended term survivability of the Falcon … is it !!

At the end of the day, Ford Oz and Holden are still owned by ‘bust’ companies
Andrew M

TP,
so you reckon the Ford US RWD platform is the better one?
you are a joke mate.

stick to your cooking and arts and crafts shows, because im sure you are a bit more in your own domain there
http://aca Dingo

Besides … that rope with Ford Oz is getting smaller and smaller.

Jobs – GONE !!

Fairlane – GONE !!

L6 – GOING !!

RWD Platform – ?? !!

mmmm ….
Andrew M

Dingo,
hey i may be wrong but i thought the Aurion re skin was designed by an australian BUT NOT IN Australia. as far as i know the guy doesnt live in OZ. Perhaps a technicallity????

its quite funny how you critisize the way ford and GM are globalising their operations when toyota has been doing it for ever.
is toyota going broke?
open up your mind dude. dont be so biased and hypocritical
No Name

TP – if Holden can do it then Ford surely have the resources and skill just dismissing it as you don’t like Fords is just plain dumb. Come on I know you ca come up with something better than that old bean.

Do you really want folks to lose jobs in Australian… That’s not at all patriotic or helpful
http://aca Dingo

Maybe cooking, arts and craft shows are more viable then Ford selling cars

HA HA HA !!

oh gee … i’m killing myself tonight
Andrew M

Ford Aus

Territory – ADDED!!!

Focus – ADDED!!!

Jobs created!!!

Global platform – Still possible!!! (its not something they are losing, its something they may gain)
Andrew M

Dingo,
yep maybe ford could branch into art work aswell.

i mean at least they have a history of designing decent looking vehicles, and they have already proven many times that their old pieces of art can achieve massive prices at collectors auctions
No Name

Yep Dingo, dressed in your pinny wearing the wifes undies killing yourself. Do it quietly please and close the curtians. Don’t want to frighten anyone now! snigger snigger
http://aca Dingo

Andrew – Ford Oz also has a long, long history of biulding poor quality, unreliable, gas guzzlers as well … don’t they !!

And whats Australian about the Focus … mmm !!

Noname – nothing wrong with getting dressed up as a drag queen … each for our own !!

x x x o o o
FORD AC COBRA

Dingo: get your head out of the bucket bong, you are on some serious mind bending drugs dude, if you want Ford out of Australia please keep this to yourself NUMNUTS, Toyota SUX we don’t WANT to talk about some lame battery powered senior or FWD skinny wheel spinning cars..

THE ONLY REASON TOYMOTA OUT SELLS GM. IS BECAUSE ADVERTISING FOOLED THE PUBLIC MAKING EVERYONE BELIEVING THEY ARE SOMEHOW MORE RELIABLE AND GREENER, JUST LIKE YOU GOING DOWN TO HUNGRY JACKS WITH SLOGAN “BURGERS ARE BETTER AT HUNGRY JACKS” YEP FOOLING THE PUBLIC ONCE MORE..

I HOPE ONE DAY TOYMOTA’S ADVERTISING BITE THEM ON THE ARSE….

“OH WHAT A FARCE” TOYLETA
http://aca Dingo

Andrew – whats funny about all this mult-national thing is that you willy wacka’s have been critising foreigners for generations yet in reality – Ford Oz and Holden are not much different … are they !!

Oh yeah – the Aurion was designed by Nick Hogios in Australia at the Toyota Oz Design Studio and approved by the HODS of TMC !!

If you weren’t so bias, you would have know that.
No Name

Ssshhhhh don’t tell anyone Dingo.

Sounds like the yanks are in financial freefall all over. Seems only fair as they have always overvalued themselves and talked themselves up continuously over the last 100 years. No more Bush go brazilian
Oz.

Dingo says: “Andrew – Ford Oz also has a long, long history of biulding poor quality, unreliable, gas guzzlers as well … don’t they!!”

If they have a long history of making cars that bad, why are they still around today?
http://aca OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA

80% fleet… mmm !!

If they are so good … then why only a small percentage of private takeup not to mention the deep declines of these sh*tboxes in recent years.

OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA
FORD AC COBRA

“OH WHAT A FARCE” TOYLETA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“OH WHAT YOUR KIDDING RIGHT A FARCE MAKES SENSE NOW I WILL MAKE FUTURE NOTE” :-)

Toyota not so good after all, look else where people, my mother had many problems with her Toymota…look very plain anyways….
http://aca OH WHAT A FEELING …

OH WHAT A FEELING …. TOYOTA !!
http://aca OH WHAT A FEELING …

Good night my little princesses – i will let you girlies squirm amoung yourselves for the rest of the evening while i get my beauty sleep so that i am not a grumpy dog tomorrow.
http://aca OH WHAT A FEELING …

2006 –

Toyota beats Holden by 66 000 units

2007 –

Toyota beats Holden by 90 000 units

2008 –

Toyota on track for a 100 000 flogging

says it all really !!

OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA
http://aca OH WHAT A FEELING …

OH WHAT A FEELING …. TOYOTA
Oz.

Is “80% fleet… mmm !!” the answer to my last comment? Well if it is I will ask….. If Ford are so bad how are they able to be used for fleets in the first place?
Oz.

QUOTE: “i will let you girlies squirm amoung yourselves for the rest of the evening while i get my beauty sleep so that i am not a grumpy dog tomorrow.”

I hope that means tomorrow you won’t be making stupid posts on here like you have tonight.

Good on Toyota, but still as I said on another page I will still support Ford no matter how far ahead Toyota is.
James A

I really hope the Ford’s US HQ give our local designers/engineers a go, however Ford have let the competition overtake and grasp a very strong foot-hold – almost in all markets. Once you get yourself into this hole, its extremely hard to dig yourself out.

Having driven Ford’s (mostly Falcons) since I was on my L-plate’s (1989/1990), I recently bought a Toyota Kluger KX-S AWD, and I tell you what – its like chalk & cheese. Its quite obvious WHY Toyota is ahead of the market.

Here’s some basic reasons WHY I went with the Toyota, instead of say a Ford Territory:
1. Its quiet, I mean really quiet to the point where my 4 year old daughter falls asleep in around 15-20 minutes on long drives. I can actually almost whisper to my wife and have a decent conversation with having to raise my voice.

2. Its fuel efficient. My AWD Kluger is giving me around 12-12.5 litres per 100km on a combination of city (80%) and freeway(20%) driving. For such a large and heavy vehicle – thats bloody outstanding.

3. The build quality is brilliant. The car feels, drives and turns without a single rattle. The transmission is also silky smooth – no sudden jolts or unexpected behaviours. All its features and functions operate as they should.

4. $150 fixed service fee up to 60,000km.

5. I know that in 9-10 years when I sell it, my resale value will be quite good. In my experiences with Falcons, (or any Ford’s for that matter) – resale is horrible – better to flush notes down the toilet than go through that pain …

Just remember, the above has been written by a guy who’s owned nothing but Fords for the last 18 years: 1989 EA Falcon, 1993 EB Falcon, 2000 AUII Falcon, 2004 BA Turbo Falcon, and a 2004 Ford Escape Ltd – I’ve been a Ford fan for 18 years, and for me to write the above, Toyota must be doing something right. …

No surprise to me why Ford (and Holden) is being eaten alive. All this stuff I read about pure marketing (and people being sucked in by it) making Toyota’s successful is BS, and the sooner people realise this – the better.
FORD AC COBRA

HEY DINGO, YOU KEEP KNOCKING FORD BUT THEY CAN’T BE THAT BAD, WHERE IS TOYOTA INCLUSION IN THE WCOTY AWARDS, LET ME SPELL OUT THAT ABBREVIATION: WORLD – CAR – OF – THE – YEAR – AWARDS

Ford/Mazda2 = 1st
Ford Mondeo = 2nd
Ford S-Max = 6th
Now where was Toymota, well nowhere because they are wrapped up in cardigan wool NUMNUT,
This is what the judges thought of Toyleta look below….

NO STYLE, NO POWER, NO MERIT, NO SIGNIFICANCE, NO EMOTIONAL APPEAL, NO ENVIRONMENT, NO VALUE.

How do you feel when Toylets is not even recognised by anyone except you and ya blind mates….
FORD AC COBRA

GO BACK TO DRIVE.COM BLOGS DINGO, ITS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE YOUR DRIBBLE IS MORE ACCEPTED…… STOP GIVING TOYMOTA A BAD NAME..
Oz.

This probably Isn’t good news for Ford Australia. What’s good about this article is it has a Mustang pic in it. LOL! But as long as that so-called new RWD platform is good enough, well so be it over in OZ.

BTW, The first Ford Falcons in the early 1960′s had shared platforms with American Ford Falcons and the XK was a complete clone of the US Falc. but the Australian version survived while the US one died in the early 1970′s.
FORD AC COBRA

WHOOPS I ACCIDENTALLY LEFT OUT ANOTHER QUALITY FORD W.C.O.T.Y. VEHICLE:

FORD/Volvo C30 came 9th out of the top ten..

I know its hard to swallow Fords world recognition with dominating products and then gargle all the facts that you keep hiding from, open ya stupid eyes keyboard warrior..
No Name

JAMES A “1. Its quiet, I mean really quiet to the point where my 4 year old daughter falls asleep in around 15-20 minutes on long drives.”

Quiet has nothing to do with making kids sleep in cars, kids will fall asleep just about anywhere especially in a car. My kids ued to fall asleep easily enough in my noisy smelly VW camper.

With the resale bit Toyota I gues do not continue to discount there cars in the way Ford/Gm do. Its these discounts which undermine the resale values along with the fact the fleets get massive discounts. Its not fair on the privateer so the sensible ones wanting cheaper motoring opt for your Toyota or similar.

I personally would not buy a new Ford or Holden or Toyota, I always buy 2yr old cars with low mileage and get a 50% discount on new car rates.
ameagle

The real problem with Ford deciding to develop rear-drive cars in the Us rather than bring them from Australia has nothing to do with the weak US dollar-it’s pure jealousy. Our US engineers are a bunch of arrogant jerks who think they don’t need to work with their counterparts from outside North America, and because of that, the US lineup is one big unfunny joke. We could be enjoying some of the cream of Ford’s international bounty like the Falcon and Territory, and even the Mondeo and new Focus, and yet they continue to feed us duds like Fusion, Town Car and Super Duty monster trucks. Someone needs to tell Alan Mullaly and all the bigwigs in Dearborn to get their heads from out of their tails and take the next plaane to Australia on a little shopping trip. That’s what Gm’s Bob Lutz did bak in ’02, and look at Holden now.
No Name

Yeh Holden are doing really well NOT selling out of sell-by-date rebadged Deawoos..really good move me thinks not
Tom

has anyone had an issue with the permanent ‘your comment is awaiting moderation’?
Tom

wow, I now have 4 posts in moderation, all of which are worded slightly differently. I’ll try again.

ford of australia is already the centre of expertise (basically a design centre for a platform) for the global T6 light commercial vehicle platform. Thats confirmed and set in stone at this point. So Ford of Aus isn’t going anywhere soon. Secondly, as the Ford Australia PR spokesman said, the decision of where the centre of expertise for the global RWD platform hasn’t been decided, but with Ford Aus having over 1000 engineers working at the falcon RWD platform and T6 platform, it still makes financial sense to have the design here. Probably not build the US bound RWD cars here, but design here at least.
Tom

now I have 9 posts in moderation and have no idea why they are getting blocked out. Still trying to work out how to type what i need around this filter.
Tom

everyone, if you check who the source used by the detroit news article is, you will realise that we shouldn’t take this article too seriously. Wait until we get official word from ford USA.
Jason

All I’ve got to say after reading these ridiculous comments is if your name is TP, Dingo, or Toyota anything then refrain from posting stupid comments and hijacking this article. The article is about Ford NOT Toyota and definitely NOT yourselfs.

Seriously Alborz you need to read all of these comments then go look yourself in the mirror and decide where you want your website to go, because if this rubbish keeps up it will be going down the drain. At least half of the comments posted are inflammotory rubbish.
http://integra Rick Harris

Why are so many idiots here ? they have no idea what they are talking about. All i want to say is that I love the FG Falcon and hope it is a success………..
Tony M

The article talks about the design of the rear wheel platform not the manufacture of the RW platform. Note the blade suspension used on all the current Ford cars globally, whether FWD or RWD. What we are being told is that the design work might be done in America but when all is said and done the manufacturing will be done in Australia. I believe it’s to early to write off the current and future platforms that Ford Australia make and have in the pipeline. When companies like Ford and GM start to rationalise their design/manufacturing there will be winners and losers. And a lot of these decisions can be made over night. So all those bloggers who are glotting at the possible demise of the Falcon, be very very wherey. GM and Toyota don’t base their decisions on how well a car is selling today but more on the future projections of growth on particular models. And if you look at the current shift towards more fuel efficient cars you will note that RWD platforms might just be a thing of the past when Europe, who is paying about $3.00 a litre for petrol starts to shift to hybrids.
I’m sure if Europe starts to go the way of hybrids so will Australia. Just have a current look at diesel sales in Australia, which appear to be in excess of supply and that will give you an idea of where the Australian car market is shifting too. I know of a particular sales rep who is due to replace his current Falcon who has been advised strongly to look at diesel base sedans/wagons.
Conclusion, what the American market is pushing today might be completely different tomorrow. Remembering that China and India are the new manufacturing centres of the world and they are starting to make their OWN cars not importing them from America.
Brett

“The one message that is crystal clear out of all the confusion, is that Ford America’s market research is showing that Americans are starting to feel the need for RWD cars again.” — One thing that appears clear is that Ford US is roughly 4 or 5 years behind with their market research.

Let’s hope Ford AU doesn’t suffer because of their very slow to react parent company.
ameagle

Here in the US Ford is always behind in everything. the only thindg that gets the Dearborn gang worked up is the latest adbancement on the Full sized trucks. A step ladder intergrated into the tailgate? Please. If it wasn’t for Australia and Eupore, Ford would be dead by now.
Adam (aka Mada)

This story is pure speculation. The truth won’t be told by Ford for a while yet.
Calm down peoples.
I just want us to have the option of falcon being sold here, worse case scenario has Ford AUS doing what Toyota AUS does and thats taking an overseas development and adapting that to local tastes and sales.
If Toyota AUS can do it, why not Ford AUS?
Remember Focus platorm will be built from 2011, any other aussie manufacturer doing that?
golfschwein

Tom, try not to use words like “a n a l o g y” or “a n a l a g o u s” or “c o c k b u r n” or “c o c k e y e d”

Get the drift? These things have stopped me in my tracks before.
AG

I actually interpret this news positively, as it means Ford globally are still fully committed to RWD. A worst case outcome would have been if due to economic conditions/ US fuel economy standards etc Ford did not want RWD globally, then Falcon’s days would really have been numbered as Australia would not have the scale to support it alone.

As an Australian, obviously, my preference would be for Ford Oz to take the lead role in design, but if the scenario ends up being they take the base platform from the U.S. then “Australianise” it and build it here for the Falcon, then this is still a good outcome…..far better than no Ford RWD at all.

Its worth remembering, this is the way the Commodore (until VE) was done (ie Australianise an overseas platform)

If all this results in a Falcon that is 100% confirmed beyond FG, that will be better built/cheaper because of the scale of the platform, and able to access new technologies (eg diesel, twin turbo V6, lighter weight), its positive.
ash

why is ford struggling to sell cars in australia… extremely poor pre and post sales service. my mate made an enquiry for a ranger at the local ford dealer and they took one month coming back to him. he ended up going to another dealer 400km away to buy the car. then the problems started – new ranger had cruise control fitted by the dealer and they did nt cover the holes they made – rain came in the cabin. when gievn for repairs, held to the vehicle for 3 days and upon inquiry said vehicle not fixed yet. three day my mate was without her work car. he had a BA ute before the ranger – the front suspension made terrible noises and poor quality interior. with this poor service plus poor quality cars – ford oz and USA wouldnt survive.
FORD AC COBRA

Ash, you and your Ranger mate is just a small portion of warranty issues going around these days, I could tell you many warranty issues and service problems me, my mates, family members have encounted and they are not Fords, every car company has quality problems some worst than others, I could pick out many, but some people go off like a rocket protecting what they own and where comes from..
Glen

Ash dont start with me about service, Toyota service centers are some of the worst. You try getting a warranty claim done. They’ll not even acknoledge there is a problem until warranty expires, or unless it causes the car to actually break down. (Toyota are very strict on warranty claims)

Why are ford struggling to sell cars in australia??? Its because they can’t get enough in. There is a 3 month wait on Rangers of any type, diesel Focus & Mondeos are selling quicker than can be imported. How do i know? I work for a Ford dealer.

And before saying all Ford service centers are hopeless if your getting bad service tell the sales staff and management, because it affects their jobs too and management can get rid of bad mechanics. There is nothing worse than being a salesmen and losing a repeat customer because of bad service from mechanics as they don’t give a rats.
BK

Fuel at 3 bucks a litre in a few years time what idiot is gonna worry about drivin RWD or FWD cars then. Answer is use public transport . Let the car industry close up here in OZ cause you have to be a fool to drive and own a car at those rip of prices. You all think that even using alternative fuels for cars will make a difference I doubt that cause there wont be much of a price difference maybe like 50 cent a litre difference, it only gonna make the world more of a greener place . Its time that everybody used there brains for once and stop buying cars and use other methods for transport.
FORD AC COBRA

The Lincoln pictured above is one smart looking luxury car, this would make a great addition to Ford Australia already fantastic line up, send it over here America this would sell I’m sure…
tonyn

in all honesty, its just the platform of the thing, if ford oz were to use it they would tweak it to our conditions so why panic, as long as the iconic falcon is built here is it that bigger deal!
Oz.

Ford have added more features on the FG Falcon mini site!!!
realcars

Agree with u Tonyn.

Is unfortunate that Ford Australia won’t be exporting “our” platform.

TP and the other Toyotaphiles well what would u expect they buy Toyotas don’t they. Says it all really.

Yeah I’m home early again TP. Jealous?
realcars

I u are considering a Toyota better off buying the equivalent Hyundai and save min 30% on the purchase price.

U are correct No Name.
Resale? Nothing has good resale if u buy it from new and trade it three years later for eg.

Do u see the Dealers outbidding each other to get your used Toyota when u want to trade. Really.

If u are worried about resale do not buy any new car period.
tonyn

well realcars…. funny you should mention toyota…. they dont design the camry and aurion here, there based off overseas models and people still buy them so there is proof that it shouldnt hurt ford!

It is a shame cause out current falcon platform is a great drive, and im sure would fare well with the imported marques over there!
realcars

I can find u the previous model AWD KLUGER 2003-4 for under 30K with less than 60KLMS on it at a dealer. These were 45K-50K new.

Imagine what the sap got as a trade! 20-25K.

Resale give me a break.
realcars

Tonyn glad U mentioned “Great drive” because for me this is what the Falcon is all about!
Tom

lol, I think because I was trying to say financial 4n4lyst.
realcars

Gordon F*&*king Ramsey is my f*&*king Hero.

The ASX is up and all is right with the world.
http://aca Luke & Justin

Glen – i thoroughly disagree with you. From not only my own experiance but as knowledge in the automotive arena, Toyota service is commonly regarded as one of the better centres and is reflected in the plentiful supply of customer satisfaction ratings.

You talk of restricted sales so i’ll mention 2 more in favour of Toyota. The first i will comment about is the diesel Hilux which infact has an approximate 16 week waiting period because of the huge demand associated with that particular version of the Lux.

I know a chap who recently purchased himself a Nissan Navara because it was readily available on the lot as he did not want to wait 4 months for his preferred choice (Hilux) so opted for the second option instead.

The other worth mentioning is the Corolla. Despite strong sales, the full potential of the Corolla is infact withheld as Japan can not supply enough examples to satisfy global demand hence Australia as with other countries have to make do with thier selected quoter wether being sufficent in numbers or not.
tonyn

can i ask luke and justin where you get your experience from? every manufacturer has that trouble with exceeding quota! i have people waiting 12 months for selected volkswagens!

Toyota do have good service centres but like all dealers there are good ones and bad ones, in my travels ive been to some great dealerships but have seen some bad ones! toyota is no exception!
realcars

Hey this is a Falcon Blog!!! Toyota numb nutts!!!!!

Oh the the Lux it unbreakable don’t u know?
…and the hottest Corolla ever!!!

Line up suckers and pay whatever they ask and then there is the options as nothing and I mean nothing is standard.

Toyota is a bloody cult. Claims sons,daughter,wives.

More victims of spin. Bet he paid “a lot” less for the Navara eh?

Go and look at Hyundai they can give u “The feeling” for 30% less and throw most of the options in with the deal.

Give me a break plse!!!!!
http://aca Luke & Justin

Tonyn – service advisor for nearly 7 years, workshop supervisor for 3 yrs before that and 7 yrs on the floor prior.

Yes, there are good and bad centres for all but you must remember that manufactuers are responsible for maintaining discipline and generally speaking, Toyota is one of the better groups for this while Lexus is arguably the best.

Realcars – a bit like Holden with thier thunderstruck advertisements then rigourously tried to void warranty claims when customers admitted to driving thier v8 powered cars hard.

what about the Ford Territory add were they compare the ‘like driving a truck attribute’ of a SUV compared to the mothers stepping out of a dated 80 series Landcruiser.

They all play thier games, it’s marketing.
tonyn

i beg to differ with you luke on your lexus comment, i have spent 10 years in a dealership, with brands like toyota, mitsu, ford, volkswagen, skoda, audi, bentley, mercedes benz and chrysler jeep and dodge, as a general manager or sales manager, in my time no one runs a tighter ship than mercedes benz or audi, there miles in front of what lexus and toyota have to offer, im not saying there no good, but merc is really something! they are so strict and pride them selfs on having great after sales service! im not currently working at a benz dealer but i tell you the brands i look after now could do with a benz style of training! To be honest in my time at toyota i thought they were average in how the run things weather that be sales, service or spares!

Like all manufacturers i think they all beat them selfs up, toyota are the best at that second only to lexus!

As for the topic, as i said earlier, as long as its RWD, V8 powered and aussie built i think the falcon will be ok wether it is designed in platform in the U S or not!
FORD AC COBRA

Don’t forget the Landcruiser is the greatest 4WD in the world, imagine if all manufacturers created advertising hype, even Mitsubitshi said Pajero is the greatest 4WD on the planet, OMG which one do you buy, Toymota makes me sick getting away with lies making people think there is no other car better..

This is a Ford Blog Toyleta fairies get a life and stay away…..
TP

The difference is the Landcruiser IS the greatest 4WD in the world…. its renowned for it, take a trip out to the bush, Landcruiser country… nothing else can survive out their.

Dingo made very valid point earlier, this great platform is so great it requires 80% fleet sales in Australia. That just doesnt make sense, great car, but no one wants to fork out the full price. Thats called Ford fairy marketing. Meanwhile the Aurion and other Toyotas sell well in both private and fleets… the mark of a good car, people actually use their own money and pay the full price.
Oz.

TP, that means the Falcon is good enough already if it can be used for fleets.
realcars

Falcon, The Great Australian Road Car. To keep on topic

Landcruiser built to maim and injure. 100 series is not a huge improvement over 80 series twin cam. I owned an 80 series twin cam GXL AND TALK ABOUT CLUNKING AND BANGING!!!
STILL DRIVE LIKE A TRUCK.

Falcon Cabbies choice. Why? because they get 700,000klms or more out of em.My AU ute has nearly 250,000klms and runs like a clock.
TP

Oz explain that logic? A car being purchase by fleets doent mean its good; fleets get them at a discount, they dont have to worry about long term reliability in purchase, they dont pay their own money for it. Sorry but private sales are the greatest indication, people buy what is best, they are using the money they worked hard for over years and dont want a lemon Falcon.
TP

Realcars again showing you are just a child… a Taxi isnt exactly a great example of a car going the distanace, Toyota taxis make the same distances easily… why? Taxis have an easy life; serviced properly, running most of the time… most engine wear occurs on start up and short trips (when oil doesnt get to operating temp where its most effective). Regardless even if you defy this logic, Toyotas are the main taxi in the middle east for example, such as Saudi Arabi… a faaaaaaar harsher environment then Australia, where they reach huge kms.
http://aca Luke & Justin

Lexus is argueably the best not only subjected from my own experiance but as detailed by customer satisfaction response who inevitably are the judges.

While Toyota is beating themselves up, it seems Ford and Holden in Australia have been beaten up.

I think it would be safe to suggest that the Landcruiser is Earths Greatest 4WD.
FORD AC COBRA

OMG TP, are you finised typing garbage….
TP

OMG Ford AC Cobra Im not typing rubbish, its called the facts… deal with it fairy.
FORD AC COBRA

These are not facts TP it’s called hype, just like children drinking red cordial running around with no sense of direction…..
Oz.

TP, where is your source that Falcons are classified as lemons?

“they dont have to worry about long term reliability in purchase\”

There are old AU taxis getting around, they cars more than 6 years old. So you don’t call that long term?
Oz.

TP, so we getting back into the reliability arguments are we?

Remember when you got banned Paul? This is what Alborz said when he banned you for 24 hours…
“He will be back as his account will be re-enabled soon. Hopefully the same issues do no resurface”

Well it looks like they are re-surfacing again.
No Name

Aawwww come TP – making unsourced statements again, no back-up, no source supplied. Mmmm my kids make stories up as well.
Andrew M

some good comments there guys.
and then it hits that part of the day where TP gets home and ruins everything
Oz.

LOOK OUT EVERYBODY…
Andrew M is back!!!!!
Andrew M

No Name,
i totally agree with you mate.
why would anyone in the private sector buy a new car?

the back side has fallen out of used cars meaning there are plenty of great low K’s bargains out there no matter what brand you are chasing
and whay are 2nd hand cars worth a lot less now?
well because new cars are more affordable then they have ever been and they are selling them in record numbers meaning the used market is becoming flooded
realcars

Falcon. The Great Australian Road Car.

A taxi isn’t a great example.WTF?

LANDCRUISER greatest in terms of what? Crushing a Yaris in a collision? rolling on it”s roof? getting stuck on the beach at high tide? Using more than 20/100klms?

U blokes are really dazzled by the hype.

Look at me I’m the ducks nuts I drive a Toyota.Oh,mines appliance white. Mines stove top grey!

…and Lexus “the rear drive Camry” with a few extra bradford batts here and there….

Guess what Falcon is RWD but u have to buy a Lexus to get a RWD toyota sedan.
acfsambo

What i want to know is if ford want to save money and still kepp jobs why dont they use the falcon platform, use US designers to change it to LHD and then build it in america? Keeps jobs in Aus and US as well as the Falcon and Ford surviving.
Andrew M

the thing is that the US counterparts arent exactlly showing great results of the platforms that they have designed.
it should go to the Aus boys who know what they are doing.
as already mentione, the light truck platform already has australias name on it for the next design.
i actually think the sedan platform design will remain here too.
TP

Making unsourced comments again No Name, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU KIDDING? You Ford have fairies NEVER provide evidence, have you fogotten the 25% Diesel thing? Im suprised youd show your head around here after that, your credibility is all but nothing now to anyone who isnt a Ford fairy.

Realcars you look like an child with your lack of knowledge. Get out of your bubble, explore rural Australia, Landcruisers are the only vehicles relied upon to get people through that harsh and potentail life threatening environment. Then you talk global, what do you see the UN / Red Cross using in war zones? Landcrusiers. List goes on. The taxi comment another thing over your head, a private car which isnt serviced properly and driven short trips to 200,000kms is going to be in worse condition then a car which is driven long trips and serviced properly over a same distance, such as the conditions a taxi faces. Most engine wear occurs on start up, this is a fact, deal with it. As I said regardless of this, knowing you wouldnt understand common sense, Toyotas in the middle east last many kms in a far more harsher environment. Taxi argument is BS, simple as that. Toyotas last with private people, who mistreat their vehicles… true test.

Oz and AndrewM nice try.. lets gang up on TP and get him banned… you people are very predicible and lame, I cant blame you, accountability can cause resentment… but sorry I plan to continue showing you fools up and ensuring articles such as the Kluger… Aurion…FWD V RWD… Diesel, where you people posted drivel, get another CORRECT perspective shown for people who might actually use this place for a purchase.
Oz.

Hey TP, the 3rd paragraph in your last post was very funny to read, keep up the funny comments….PLEASE! If “You People” posted drivel you would of too because you got your account disabled for 24 hours and I didn’t hear about anyone else getting theirs disabled.
FORD AC COBRA

Who would want to purchase a Toyleta after reading your dribble, if anything your scaring people away from a purchase, anymore slip ups drom your less reliable overrated company and they will end up in the trash can, everyone I know who like Toyleta are catching on all the tripe you people TP & DINGO keep spreading across this beautiful land of ours, Pajeros, Patrols, Ford Territory’s are as good if not better to withstand Austalia’s harsh environment, your in a trance and need some help from a shrink..

“OH WHAT A JOKE”… TOYLETA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Andrew M

TP,
to prove you are dillusional, show me where im trying to get you banned…….
are you paranoid that the rubbish you spill may indeed end you up in that way.

also just another shout out to the BT50 range which out shone the Hilux in a 4X4′s ability and durability test

if you think that taxis get a well nurtured life then perhaps the only taxi you have ever riden in is “mums Taxi”

isnt heavy stop start city driving the worst for vehicles?
how many taxis do you see on long trips down the Hwy?
No Name

TP – You’re wrong about the 25% bit. I don’t care if you think your right. Carry on living a dream.

and TP I personally have no intention of getting you banned, I actually like your input here otherwise we’d all agree.

But you are wrong about your diesel bit though. Still no link supplied to back you claims.

Cheers mate have a good evening
realcars

I agree. Variety is the spice of life!

Yeah where is the hard evidence on that 25% more diesel claim TP? Give us the address so we can all read it.

Falcon. The Great Australian Road Car.
Yet another reason not to buy an Aurion.
realcars

Honestly Tp couldn’t u see ya self cruising for chicks(or whatever u cruise for) in the blue xr6 at the top of the page?
No Name

See what i mean TP – the people want the info mate. If i’m wrong i’ll accept it and agreed. But i’m pretty sure i’m not given what i have found.
acfsambo

TP Falcons are used for Taxis and not Toyotas as they were bigger (not sure bout now though) as they could fit more luggage in them and 3 ppl in the back more comrotably. It is easier to fit 3 pl in the back of my dads old mid 1990′s E? (mabey EL) falcon than a early 1990 camry.

Mabey there will be 25% deisel, but so what. Most 4W4′s are diesel, especially since4 more people are buying them and wanting better fuel economy, so it is logical that there are more diesels.

I will end with a comment i said in a New Falcon post a while back.

“Holdens are built for fans, Fords are built for enthusiasts”
Joober

FFS why is every article seems to be hijacked by the FORD vs TOYOTA thing even when an article has nothing to do with the other, especially in other articles talking about lets say a Ferrari or something in those lines, this shyte creeps up. blardy h3ll get over it.

Its turning into the drive website blog drivel
FORD AC COBRA

Joober this is a Ford article and should be directing talk about Ford not toyleta BS, blame TP & Dingo as usual for wrecking a good conversation…….I agree some people belong at drive.com exactly where demented thoughts belong…….
http://. Naughtyius Maximus

Agree heaps with TP….most engine wear occurs on start up, this is a fact (I always never get in the car and start it up and leave straightaway as let it warm up a fair bit and take it easy on first driving off).

I actually like TP’s input irrespective how cutting he gets or warped beliefs and after he is is exactly the same as everybody to a degree that he attacks people just as we all do (boys toys, cars and testosterone leads for this brew)……… otherwise we’d all agree, drive the same cars and do the same things and every car review would be identical. Like most of you know I seriously am not out and out for one car maker and do see that variety is the spice of life…………………I think we should all get rid of that “I was weaned up on one car maker as that is how was brought up from a kid mentality”!
No Name

I agree Maximuff. I don’t have a problem with TP except when he’s wrong. I make mistakes but i’ll always admit them.
I always let the engine idle for about a minute whilst I put the seatbelt on and nag the kids. never rev it too hard for aabout 2 or 3 minutes. The oil tends to circulate within seconds of start up so theres never too much damage and modern oild are designed to coat the surfaces to prevent wear.
see yah mate.
http://aca I’m Killing Myself

Monthly sales will be out soon so i wonder who the judges -THE AUSTRALIAN CONSUMER – will nominate as thier most preferred manufactuer … Toyota, Holden or Ford !!

Gee, it’s gonna be close because only 66 000 in 2006 and 90 000 units in 2007 separated first place with second which is a pitance really.

ps – Falcon is Australia’s most unreliable and poorest quality locally manufactuered car … another bloody good reason to buy an Aurion.

OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA
tonyn

oh yeah im killing myself, where are those claims proven? falcon is actually a good product, VE has had more recalls than falcon, even camry of late had been roughed up a little.

Its guys like you that start panic and make these places close, 380 was an equal product to your beloved aurion yet due to consumer scaring it was halted.

What makes aurion so good then? i have loked an numerous falcons, commodores and aurios and cant see the quality difference that toyota has? please explain?
I’m Killing Myself & Toymota

Monthly sales will be out soon so i wonder who the judges -THE AUSTRALIAN CONSUMER – will nominate as thier most preferred manufactuer …Ford or Holden !!

Gee, it’s gonna be close because only 66 000 in 2006 and 90 000 units in 2007 separated first place with second which is a pitance really.

ps – Toyota Aurion is Australia’s most unreliable and poorest quality locally manufactuered car … another bloody good reason to buy a New Falcon or Mazda6 or even Lancer, Toyota Aurions are for your grandparents and fleet sales….

OH WHAT A DOG … TOYOTA
Jimbo

The new Falcon design is disappointing to say the least. If the Falcon faithful ever wake up, they will realise, that the Mondeo is the far superior car in all aspects (even in interior room and boot space) other than straight line performance. Ford has the chance to finally run with a decent family car that can match Toyota and Holden in the quality stakes. I say manufacture the Mondeo in Australia and let the Falcon become extinct like the dinosaur it is.
Mitsu Select

Its exciting to read through all the comments and found out that we all are car enthusiast. I think we should all agree that we all have a passion towards cars and some of us have even a passion towards a particular brand (Mitsubishi for me)!!
I really believe that there is no meaning of putting others down and praise you own up and find as much bad things for others to prove that your own is superior. Different people have different thoughts (as Ford ads say “we are all different”) so different brands has their strengths and weakness. Let’s put Mitsubishi as an example, I always think that their designs are brillant, but there are just too many issues with their cars in the past that it piss people off too much (but hey its like 10 years ago?), I still got friends telling me that Mitsu’s cars are just a bunch of crap….. So y don’t we look ahead and agree with wht each others have to say about wht we love and always support? Sales is not everything so does passion, some manufacturers have got the balance right, and some might have pay more attention to one than the other, so let’s all be nice to each other and let this car world be as exciting as it can be!
Imagine that if there is only one car company in this world, do you think they will still improving their products? Let’s keep on supporting out Beloved brands !!
http://aca Guess Who

Tonyn – go to the leaked Australian Quality Survey and without skirting around the issue repeat to the rest of us bloggers how the Falcon and Commodore faired in the Family Car Segment.

And you know whats good about this survey – it’s compiled by non-other then the manufactuers themselves for the manufactuers and not intended for public viewing so i believe it would be about as accurate as they come.

cheers
tonyn

where is this survey, and why not bring it here yourself?

Falcon and commodore are not the best at build quality, but i think falcon is a better built car than commodore, ive had the pleasure of driving th FG and have to say i think its interior is light years ahead of what toyota serves up, and commo for that matter.

Give me the link, and ill bring what it says here…. and if this report is so good why isnt the public supposed to see it, is it from a credidable source???

I dont skirt around issues guess who, its you and your toyota mates that skirt around ans try to bamboozle people, it starts about the car, then goes to reliability, then TRD, then ends up in lexus and everyone is confused….. where is the link??
realcars

Well said Tonyn!!!

Sick of these Toyota goons hijacking unrelated blogs.
They need to to talk to the cult leader Mr Wantabe about their slipping quality.

Haven’t seen an Aurion Taxi yet.

Come time to turn the current fleet over I am sure the FG will take their place.
realcars

on the subject of TP his personal attacks are the product of a school boy or an Accountant who has yet to grow up.
tonyn

ive driven an FG XR8 and have to say much better than the Ba XR ute i have! i have a GTE on order and itching to get it here!

And just for the record, i drive a commodore at the min and for a few months before that i drove an aurion, so im not completly bias….. im in a skoda for evaluation and after that i will have a VW jetta so i can speak from experience! the FG is as good as the euros
realcars

Good to hear that the Falcon is “World Class”.

Falcon. The Great Australian Road Car!!!!
Andrew M

Tonyn,
was it the XR8 ute that you drove?
Andrew M

i just came across a press release where ford australia has denied the rumour that the RWD program will be shifting back to the US
Oz.

Dingo, have you been to au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/ Don’t you think You’ll be happier there?
BK

Mitsubishi OZ is officially dead this weekend so its FORD AND HOLDENS turn next. See yu in Hell holden and ford.
Oz.

You’re not the same BK on here are you?
http://aca Toyota Buff

Stop skirting the issue and check out the link. The fact is people, you know as much as i do that Holden and Ford received a VERY POOR REPORT CARD while Toyota got a MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better one !!

And while i am at it … tell me how the link in NON-FACTIONAL !!

Truth be told, i am running rings around you lads with supported evidance while you the best shots from yourselves in return in total crap … PERIOD !!

OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA

ps. we all know who the losers are … don’t we !!

cheers
http://aca Toyota Buff

Oz – i am as happy as a pig in sh8t right here doing what i am doing … with a coldie in my hand of course.

Cheers

nye, nye time so that i am not a grump dog tomorrow.
Oz.

Is this all you can do Dingo/Laughing Dingo/Mikka/Dingo Mikka/Toyota Buff/Guess Who AKA Guess Who/I’m Killing Myself/Oh What A Feeling/(and more)? Just spruck on about how toyota is better than Ford & Holden, I acknowledge that is true Toyota a selling well. But why continue to spruck it all the time?
http://aca Who is Dingo

Why not … !!
tonyn

from drive blogs:

Locals lag on quality
Once again, Japanese manufacturers have come out on top in an independent quality and customer satisfaction survey.

The WA survey of 7000 owners covers the top ten selling brands in the local market and Japanese brands filled the top six places.

Both Ford and Holden finishing below the industry average, just above Hyundai and Kia.

The survey looks at four elements: vehicle quality/reliability, vehicle appeal, ownership costs and service satisfaction, with the most weighting given to quality and vehicle appeal.

If you take out the other elements and look at quality alone, Hyundai actually turns the tables on Holden and Ford.

The survey was compiled for the Royal Automotive Club of WA by leading automotive market researcher, J.D. Power, which has been surveying the US market for some time now on behalf of the manufacturers.

Hopefully, the WA survey is the beginning of a better deal for Australian consumers. JD Power is talking to other motoring organisations with a view to surveying their membership. If it happens, Australian car buyers will no longer be in the dark about which brands build the most reliable cars.

Until then, consumers will continue to get a raw deal from car manufacturers, who have all this information at their fingertips but refuse to publish it.

JD Power contends the carmakers here are cutting off their nose to spite their face because the US surveys have actually helped some US manufacturers improve their quality.

Once the spotlight is turned on them, the poor performing brands have to acknowledge that quality is an issue and make building better cars a top priority.

And the proof is in the pudding.

In JD Power’s latest US study, local brand Buick has tied with Lexus for first place. A few years ago it would have been unthinkable that any US brand would have topped a quality and reliability survey.

If Holden and Ford’s US parents can see the sense in publishing quality figures, why can’t the locals.

Posted on August 17, 2007 09:09 AM

where is toyota mentioned in this? where are the results? i couldnt find them??
http://aca Read Page 6 … PAGE 6

Seriuosly Tonyn – how many times must i say it – this is absloutely unbelieveable …. for the results, go to page 6 … PAGE 6 !!!

Now … correct me if i am wrong but Toyota eithet fairs ABOVE AVERAGE or DOMINATE in each and every segment wheras Holden scores BELOW AVERAGE hence FAILS in each and every category … AM I WRONG !!

That said, Ford doesn’t fair much better – do they !!

And … how many wooden spoons do Holden and Ford between them receive … HEAPS !!

Now that you have read page 1 – read the other 5 – in detail even if it does tear your heart out !!
Cory

Top secret! The quality survey every car buyer must see
Richard Blackburn, The Sydney Morning Herald, 11/05/07

Page 6 of 6 | Single Page

The results of an independent quality survey conducted every six months for car makers have never been made public. Until now. RICHARD BLACKBURN reports in this Drive exclusive.

The other surprise of the survey was the Australian-built Toyota Camry, which ranked highest for quality in its class- against Japanese-built opposition.

Holden’s results proved a mixed bag. Its Korean-built Barina and Viva have been criticised for below-par quality but both scored better than the Commodore.

Why quality surveys aren’t a luxury in other countries

Luxury car brands in Australia share some customer research information but do not directly share uality data, instead relying on the JD Power Initial Quality Survey published in the United States.

But the data from JD Power mirrors that of the local AC Neilsen survey, with Japanese cars performing significantly better than most luxury European marques.

Porsche tops the latest JD Power survey, which ranks Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz below the industry average-and behind Ford, General Motors and Chrysler-on initial quality. Lexus ranked second in the survey, followed by Hyundai, Toyota and Jaguar.

Audi finished 18th,Volvo 21st, Mercedes-Benz 25th, BMW 27th, Mini 30th, Saab 32nd and Volkswagen 35th. The survey also ranks the various factories that produce vehicles for the US market.

It ranks BMW’s Dingolfing plant in Germany, which produces the luxury 5, 6 and 7 Series sedans, behind General Motors Oshawaplant in Canada. The JD Power report is based on survey responses by more than 60,000 new-car buyers.

drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=39115&pg=6&vf=0

the table at the bottem in the link was for new vehicles in jan-june 2006. when you can find a new quality survey tell me
http://aca Dingo

Thanks Cory – now i hope Tonyn and poeple refer to the Quality Comparson Chart just to prove how pathetically poor Ford and Holden ranked against it’s competition.

Besides – the JD Powers Survey of WA Motorist that Tonyn presented concluded the same results which has been 1 of the 4 2007 quality surveys i have based my opinions upon.
tonyn

one thing i wont take dingo is you talking to people like a bully, have i ever said falcons quality was great? listen here you tool….. i am not denying toyota builds a great product, its boring, bland and there marketing is second to none. thats why tools like yourself follow them cause you just want to be like the rest. Toyota is the new Holden in how arrogant there buyers really are.

You tell me i dont know s$it? my experience in the motor trade would kill your piddly little 4 yrs at a small holden dealer, you sound like a small pathetic little man who stands tall behind his computer…… and shouldnt we be talking about ford seeing that is what the blog is all about? where does toyota come into this blog.

I acknoldge toyota is good at building reliable cars, but you do have to admit, with hilux, TRD aurion, camry and Rav V6 stop sells or recalls there not as shiny as they used to be…. am i right?

Your killing what is a great website as it seems everones opinion is worthless unless it is about toyota, ive stated i drive many and varied cars, and at some stages toyota, but i cant understand why every blog gets turned into a dingo toyota show?

WHAT IN HELL IS YOUR POINT?????
http://aca Dingo

My point is that Toyota is a MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better automotive manufactuer then GM (Holden) and Ford of which they are.

You raised points associated with some cars but what you FAILED to highlight was Toyota’s response and professional nature in rectifying the faults and minimising further negative exposure for customers.

That’s what i like to see with a company – an organistion that actually cares about the integrity of thier products because of instilled culture.

Now – just to prove a point … March 27 2008 9.11am on this topic you state that you see no quality differances between Holden, Ford and Toyota yet directly above you partially back track on that statement.

Refer to the link i have hand guided you (Leaked Australian Quality Survey) as with the other 3 Quality / Customer Satisfaction surveys of 2007 and they very much indicate HOW WRONG YOU ARE !!

Cheers
Wheelnut

Can anyone tell me where I can find http://www.caradvice.com.au... it appears that I have stumbled upon http://www.letstalk100%toyota.com.au by mistake
Oz.

Welcome back Wheelnut. While you were gone we agreed to have this site’s name changed to letstalk100%toyota.com.au!! LOL
Andrew M

the thing is that survey is 3yrs old now.
what has changed is toyotas quality has gone down and fords has gone up.

and the even bigger point out of all that is that the results are from a survey!!!!
surveys are opinionative,
opinions are guided by emotions.

just because you only look for a good survey result before you by a car, doesnt mean we all should.

is this the first thing you ask when you walk into a dealership………………………………………… “so how does this vehicle rate on the phone polls?”
Phill

HEADLINE Ford and Holden fans Unite against common Foe
tonyn

i didnt say they were worse than holden or ford.. im over it, wheel nut is right this is bollocks!

Im over it does every post have to be about toyota?

I really dont care about how good they are, and to be honest you have turned me and half of the other bloggers on here off toyota! NICE WORK!!!

Guys where has BM gone?
Wheelnut

I can tell you that Bavarian Missile arrived Home in Perth on Wednesday after what she said was a memorable enjoyable and rather special visit [here] to Adelaide over Easter..

I believe that the reason she hasn’t been on CA over the past week is because she is having some computer/internet problems.. which she hopes will be rectified ASAP.

However; I’ll be chatting with her tonight [as always] and I will let her know that [the majority of] you miss her..
Duck

And BK thinks that Holden will run out of business and factorys will stop like Mitsubishi in Australia……….well id reckon that ford would go first if it did happen!
http://aca Dingo Dog

Tonyn … it is because of the very mentality from people like yourself and the manufactuers themselves why so many people and an incresing percentage at that have been turned off and away from Holden and Ford … PERIOD !!

In 2006 Toyota flogged Holden by 66 000 units.

In 2007 Toyota slaughtered Holden by 90 000 units.

So far this year Toyota is on track to increase that to about 100 000 beyond Holden which is even a greater number beyond Ford.

Ooooch …. !!

The facts are right there for you to look at … it is Toyota that is attracting greater number of customers while Holden and Ford are dwindling.
http://aca Dingo Dog

Australian Car Advice – stop deleting my comments as they are constructive and non abusive.

People often take valuable time out thier day to write these comments and as a provider of the service you regulators should show more appreciation for the time that is invested by people like myself.

If you delete anymore of my comments that are not abusive then i will contact yourselves and discuss the matter.

Showo some respect for the time and effort that is invested by some onto this site.
Andrew M

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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sorry but i can only laugh
golfschwein

Aww goochy goochy goo.
http://aca Dingo Dog

I know – those sales results are certainly something to laugh about.

he, he, he !!
FORD AC COBRA

Dingo Tomota Mind Freak, Ford beats Toyota in US quality rankings in 2007…

People might have to stop making all those jokes about the quality of Ford’s cars..

Ford is Now “Fixing Reputation Daily.”

Ford Motor Co. supplanted Toyota as leader of the pack in J.D. Power and Associates’ annual initial quality rankings released Wednesday, grabbing more individual awards than any other automaker for the first time since 1998, when it tied for the top spot.

Ford ranked highest in five of 19 segments in this year’s survey. That’s two better than in 1998 — the last time a U.S. automaker was on top — when Ford tied with Toyota and Honda.

The Dearborn automaker earned segment awards for the Ford Mustang, Lincoln Mark LT, Lincoln MKZ, Mercury Milan and Mazda MX-5 Miata. Mazda is 33.4 percent owned by Ford.

Porsche again dominated the overall ranking of brands, averaging 91 problems per 100 vehicles, as it had last year. That compared with a 2007 industry average of 125 problems per 100 vehicles. Last year it was 124.

Toyota Motor Corp., which grabbed the top spot in 11 segments last year, captured only four this year — the 4Runner, Sequoia, Tacoma and Lexus RX350/RX400h.

Toyota’s Lexus luxury brand, which averaged 94 problems per 100 vehicles.

Toyota had seen its list of quality leaders decrease in a quality study released Monday by Strategic Vision Inc., a San Diego-based market research company and consultant to automakers. Despite improving its overall quality, Toyota led in one category in that study — down from four in 2006. South Korean automaker Hyundai Motor Co. led in five categories, outperforming its Japanese, European and U.S. competitors. Last year, it had no winner

There’s no clear answer for Toyota’s drop. But several vehicles brought its quality performance down 2007 and also this year, including the Corolla, Prius and Lexus models.

TOYMOTA IS NO SPICE FOR LIFE CARDIGAN WEARING GIRLS LIKE DINGO = TP……

WATCH THIS SPACE DINGO = TP, FORD IS MUCH BETTER, SALES MEAN NOTHING LOSER, TOYMOTA WILL SUFFER DOWN THE TRACK..

FORD’S NEW FALCON WILL BE A QUALITY MASTERPIECE AND WORTH EVERY PENNY………
http://aca Dingo Back To Work

Anyway people … unfortunately for me, my 6 weeks of annual leave comes to an end today as i must rejoin the crew tomorrow morning …..arrrrr !!

So, there will be less from me for awhile and that should give you Holden and Ford fairies some time to recoup and feel good about yourselves again.

cheers

ps. Dingo outta here and back to work … unfortunately !!

pss. Cobra AC – you are autolover on Drive.com
Oz.

Good, we don’t need to read anymore dribble by “Dumb As A Dingo”
golfschwein

Good riddance to sociopathic rubbish.
Oz.

Amen
Bavarian Missile

Fabulous………last thing I need is another narcissistic abuser to deal with.Cant say Dingo will be missed….

I guess if CA is still deleting your comments Dingo then its cause your either off topic AGAIN or you are your normal abusive self.
http://. Naughtyius Maximus

Can hear Prince’s song “….party like its 1999″ YIPPEEEEE KI YA! OMG GOOD NEWS. WONDER IF HIS LITTER WILL STILL TURN UP HERE FOR A SCRATCH AND DIG SESSION AGAINST ALL EXCEPT TOYOTA!
http://. Naughtyius Maximus

Cobra, your comments carry a lot of bite and spitting (pardon the pun) some really good stuff there what you dug up! LOVE IT!
tonyn

thats the best news ive heard!!!!!
Duck

^^^^Do u hate ford?
tonyn

no about dingo, bad news about ford…. should of cleared that up hey!

I really hope they keep rwd development in oz!
Bavarian Missile

awwwwwww……I thought me coming back on the site would have been the best news babe…….hahahaha
AC COBRA

AMEN….less Dingo is great news, bout time too, I was sick of reading repeated Toymota sales and unrelated stats, TP would be due for a break as well….
tonyn

aside from that bavarian! welcome back!
Bavarian Missile

Thanks baby!!!
Toyota Sux Cars

Hey there everyone!!!!!! I love to talk about “La Toyota sux”!!!

Not a flash type of car but it attracts idiots like, “La Toyota Paul sux”

I must not forget “La Toyota sux” tossers like “La Dingo sux” lol.

Ford and Holden may not be reliable as “La Toyota sux” but their cars a flashier then the FWD “La Toyota sux”

If you not a car buff then “La Toyota sux” is just right for you

If you not a car buff and want a car that just sells well even though it boring, visit your local “La Toyota sux” dealer to test a boring vehicle

I don’t want to hate “La Toyota sux” but tossers raving on about them, such as “Toyota Paul sux” & “La Dingo sux” make me write an immature post like this one.

Thank you for your time have fun with, “La Toyota sux” and keep Holden and Ford out of it.
AC COBRA

Tell it like it is, truth hurts Dingo & TP… Toyleta Sux Cars who r u…………….
gchcfg

Just get a V8 Barra220 5.4Litre 3V Falcon BA get some decent cat back exhaust and there ya go an instant 260-270kW and close to 600Nm for no more than $500-600 for the pipes!