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		<title>By: carletchic</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/11447/2008-easter-road-toll/#comment-126597</link>
		<dc:creator>carletchic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 06:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i find myself very careful now when driving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find myself very careful now when driving.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/11447/2008-easter-road-toll/#comment-63198</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Training is the key i think, i was a heavy vehicle driver for quiet a few years so i have spent hundreds of ours behind the wheel. 

After doing an advanced driving course with Ian Luff at eastern creek i came to the conclusion that everybody needs to do some sort of training program similar to that. Even if you think you are a great driver you can still learn some thing from people like that.

What has amazed me for years is how we trust total strangers with our live&#039;s basically. My truck weighed anywhere from 40 tonnes to 62 tonnes and people would cut me off pull out in front of me and trusted me to stop. 

On the other extreme on a 2 lane highway we head towards each other at 100k and never bat an eye. Yet you would not trust some one to stop you falling over, not trust some stranger to look after your house ??????????

Everybody needs training everybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Training is the key i think, i was a heavy vehicle driver for quiet a few years so i have spent hundreds of ours behind the wheel. </p>
<p>After doing an advanced driving course with Ian Luff at eastern creek i came to the conclusion that everybody needs to do some sort of training program similar to that. Even if you think you are a great driver you can still learn some thing from people like that.</p>
<p>What has amazed me for years is how we trust total strangers with our live&#8217;s basically. My truck weighed anywhere from 40 tonnes to 62 tonnes and people would cut me off pull out in front of me and trusted me to stop. </p>
<p>On the other extreme on a 2 lane highway we head towards each other at 100k and never bat an eye. Yet you would not trust some one to stop you falling over, not trust some stranger to look after your house ??????????</p>
<p>Everybody needs training everybody.</p>
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		<title>By: runnaln</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/11447/2008-easter-road-toll/#comment-62860</link>
		<dc:creator>runnaln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As annoying as the right hand lane huggers are, freeways are by far the safest roads, and don&#039;t make up a large part of the road toll, they happen to have high traffic volumes so our greedy satate govenments target them for speed cameras. 

I believe speed cameras biggest danger is they make everyone a law breaker and everyone knows it just revenue and therefore takes road saftey with the contempt that the govnment does, if you give people responsabilty then to act resposabily, you treat them with contempt, then they act that way. (I suspect the reverse is true, we treat our govenment with contempt and the act the way we expect them to)

The answer I am unsure, I have not done the driving test here so cannot comment, but better training would be great, but what we are doing now is not working, except for govenment coffers. 

If they spent 50% of the massive taxes they take from motorists on road saftey I am sure it would save many lives and truma, but they choose to spend it elsewhere, so its very hard to take the road saftey message seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As annoying as the right hand lane huggers are, freeways are by far the safest roads, and don&#8217;t make up a large part of the road toll, they happen to have high traffic volumes so our greedy satate govenments target them for speed cameras. </p>
<p>I believe speed cameras biggest danger is they make everyone a law breaker and everyone knows it just revenue and therefore takes road saftey with the contempt that the govnment does, if you give people responsabilty then to act resposabily, you treat them with contempt, then they act that way. (I suspect the reverse is true, we treat our govenment with contempt and the act the way we expect them to)</p>
<p>The answer I am unsure, I have not done the driving test here so cannot comment, but better training would be great, but what we are doing now is not working, except for govenment coffers. </p>
<p>If they spent 50% of the massive taxes they take from motorists on road saftey I am sure it would save many lives and truma, but they choose to spend it elsewhere, so its very hard to take the road saftey message seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/11447/2008-easter-road-toll/#comment-62733</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along the same lines of discussion here, &quot;keep left unless overtaking&quot; does not mean any lane you like. Regardless of your speed,if you at the front of a line of vehicles, with nothing immediately in front of you, you are impeding  the flow of traffic. With my limited experience (22 yrs on cars,bikes and trucks),I have kept myself alive by reading the traffic well ahead, in short don&#039;t let your vehicle go somewhere your brain hasn&#039;t already been. Speed is not a killer, drivers who can&#039;t process the necessary information, in the time required are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along the same lines of discussion here, &#8220;keep left unless overtaking&#8221; does not mean any lane you like. Regardless of your speed,if you at the front of a line of vehicles, with nothing immediately in front of you, you are impeding  the flow of traffic. With my limited experience (22 yrs on cars,bikes and trucks),I have kept myself alive by reading the traffic well ahead, in short don&#8217;t let your vehicle go somewhere your brain hasn&#8217;t already been. Speed is not a killer, drivers who can&#8217;t process the necessary information, in the time required are.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/11447/2008-easter-road-toll/#comment-62723</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J totally agree with you, I neglected to clarify that. Yet another difference between myself and others who frequent the right lane - I take it for granted that you&#039;re only there when overtaking, but many don&#039;t even understand that basic point.

Most trips for me end up being in the left lane the majority of the time. That notorious big 3 lane uphill from Sydney to Goulburn just through the pine forests (where the cops camp at the crossroads at the bottom) is almost always best taken at 110km/h in the far left lane. It&#039;s the only sane and quick way to do it! Maybe the Southern Highlands Geriatric Corolla Club likes the flora that grow in the middle lane or something... a Corolla after all is part of a flower...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J totally agree with you, I neglected to clarify that. Yet another difference between myself and others who frequent the right lane &#8211; I take it for granted that you&#8217;re only there when overtaking, but many don&#8217;t even understand that basic point.</p>
<p>Most trips for me end up being in the left lane the majority of the time. That notorious big 3 lane uphill from Sydney to Goulburn just through the pine forests (where the cops camp at the crossroads at the bottom) is almost always best taken at 110km/h in the far left lane. It&#8217;s the only sane and quick way to do it! Maybe the Southern Highlands Geriatric Corolla Club likes the flora that grow in the middle lane or something&#8230; a Corolla after all is part of a flower&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/11447/2008-easter-road-toll/#comment-62718</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... oh, and Bob - I agree with what you&#039;re saying, don&#039;t get me wrong.  But, technically it is irrelevant whether you&#039;re doing the speed limit in a right hand lane or not.  If you are not overtaking, you have no *legal* business in the right hand lane - period.

Just thought I&#039;d clarify.  No offence meant, though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; oh, and Bob &#8211; I agree with what you&#8217;re saying, don&#8217;t get me wrong.  But, technically it is irrelevant whether you&#8217;re doing the speed limit in a right hand lane or not.  If you are not overtaking, you have no *legal* business in the right hand lane &#8211; period.</p>
<p>Just thought I&#8217;d clarify.  No offence meant, though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/11447/2008-easter-road-toll/#comment-62717</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with AGM.  I drive that stretch of road every day, and find the left lane the only lane that moves freely most of the time (until some *careful* driver thinks it best to enter the freeway at 60km/h to be *safe* ...)

Try do 110km/h in any of the other lanes for a period longer than 1 minute and it only ends in frustration.

&#039;Keep Left Unless Overtaking&#039; signs may help (notice their complete absence on a road that so desperately needs it?), but I would make my own version saying &#039;Keep ALL THE WAY Left Unless Overtaking&#039; - yes, that&#039;s right, the third lane does NOT constitute KEEPING LEFT!!!

Phew... count to 10, relax, relax...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with AGM.  I drive that stretch of road every day, and find the left lane the only lane that moves freely most of the time (until some *careful* driver thinks it best to enter the freeway at 60km/h to be *safe* &#8230;)</p>
<p>Try do 110km/h in any of the other lanes for a period longer than 1 minute and it only ends in frustration.</p>
<p>&#8216;Keep Left Unless Overtaking&#8217; signs may help (notice their complete absence on a road that so desperately needs it?), but I would make my own version saying &#8216;Keep ALL THE WAY Left Unless Overtaking&#8217; &#8211; yes, that&#8217;s right, the third lane does NOT constitute KEEPING LEFT!!!</p>
<p>Phew&#8230; count to 10, relax, relax&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/11447/2008-easter-road-toll/#comment-62716</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I add, since getting a GPS about 12 months ago in my beaut little Nokia, most cars I have driven seem to have speedo errors of around 5-10km at 110, meaning the speedo shows 110km/h but the car is often only doing 100km/h. I have verified this by timing point to point using speedo checks and also using the Victoria Radar bridges to verify, always backing up the accuracy of m GP within 1km/h.

If a driver with a big (but legal) speedo error of say 10% is doing an indicated 110km/h on his/her speedo, in reality he/she is doing only 99 or 100km/h. If I then pull up at an indicated 120km/h to compensate for that speedo error so that I&#039;m actually doing 110km/h in reality, then there&#039;s a 10km/h difference. (I&#039;m rounding the 10% to 10km/h here for argument&#039;s sake!!)

When the aforementioned Driver A sits in the right lane, he thinks he&#039;s fine doing 110km/h and nothing suggest otherwise. Small problem is that the guy behind is technically doing 110km/h correctly and is being held up by the driver not doing the official limit due to his speedo&#039;s innaccuracy.

Very few people seem to mention this point as a possible cause of a lot of the frustration, it&#039;s amazing how over a 15-20 distance, you can follow a car or realise that you&#039;re possibly both on cruise control at 110km/h but one moves slightly faster or slower. 

either way, people should learn their speedo&#039;s correct speed and drive to compensate. First thing I do in any car is plug in the GPS to ensure firstly it&#039;s not inaccurate in the government&#039;s favour, then I work out what my true speed is to minimise my journey time and ensure I&#039;m not the one hogging the right lane not technically doing the speed limit. 

While we have drivers who struggle to see through the fabled gap beteen the top of their dash and the top rim of their steering wheel like so many drivers these days, I reckon we&#039;re hard pushed to expect many of them to even know what speedo error is, let alone do the correct speed in the first place.

I haven&#039;t even begun to mention if Driver A decided to do an indicated 105km/h just ot be safe.... then there&#039;s a 15km/h difference!!

Use your eyes, read other drivers and learn to predict their behaviours form their movements and lane-drifting, know your car, check your tyre pressure and ensure you are comfortably seated at a safe distance form the wheel. Do that, and you have half a chance of staying alive on the higway and anywhere else!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I add, since getting a GPS about 12 months ago in my beaut little Nokia, most cars I have driven seem to have speedo errors of around 5-10km at 110, meaning the speedo shows 110km/h but the car is often only doing 100km/h. I have verified this by timing point to point using speedo checks and also using the Victoria Radar bridges to verify, always backing up the accuracy of m GP within 1km/h.</p>
<p>If a driver with a big (but legal) speedo error of say 10% is doing an indicated 110km/h on his/her speedo, in reality he/she is doing only 99 or 100km/h. If I then pull up at an indicated 120km/h to compensate for that speedo error so that I&#8217;m actually doing 110km/h in reality, then there&#8217;s a 10km/h difference. (I&#8217;m rounding the 10% to 10km/h here for argument&#8217;s sake!!)</p>
<p>When the aforementioned Driver A sits in the right lane, he thinks he&#8217;s fine doing 110km/h and nothing suggest otherwise. Small problem is that the guy behind is technically doing 110km/h correctly and is being held up by the driver not doing the official limit due to his speedo&#8217;s innaccuracy.</p>
<p>Very few people seem to mention this point as a possible cause of a lot of the frustration, it&#8217;s amazing how over a 15-20 distance, you can follow a car or realise that you&#8217;re possibly both on cruise control at 110km/h but one moves slightly faster or slower. </p>
<p>either way, people should learn their speedo&#8217;s correct speed and drive to compensate. First thing I do in any car is plug in the GPS to ensure firstly it&#8217;s not inaccurate in the government&#8217;s favour, then I work out what my true speed is to minimise my journey time and ensure I&#8217;m not the one hogging the right lane not technically doing the speed limit. </p>
<p>While we have drivers who struggle to see through the fabled gap beteen the top of their dash and the top rim of their steering wheel like so many drivers these days, I reckon we&#8217;re hard pushed to expect many of them to even know what speedo error is, let alone do the correct speed in the first place.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t even begun to mention if Driver A decided to do an indicated 105km/h just ot be safe&#8230;. then there&#8217;s a 15km/h difference!!</p>
<p>Use your eyes, read other drivers and learn to predict their behaviours form their movements and lane-drifting, know your car, check your tyre pressure and ensure you are comfortably seated at a safe distance form the wheel. Do that, and you have half a chance of staying alive on the higway and anywhere else!</p>
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		<title>By: Iamthestig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iamthestig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got back from a holiday in Bali and the one thing you notice compared to here is just how courteous drivers are to one another. Heavy traffic and people actually let others get in the traffic flow.  

Here it is just all aggression and attempting to save seconds on journeys.  I do 45,000kms+ a year and see some many idiots on the road racing to achieve SFA in the end. 

I just wish people would just accept being in a line of traffic, be calm and appreciate that they will get home safely instead of increasing their chance of being a statistic by stupid behavior...

Take the opportunity to listen to one of the many great free podcasts you can get these days.  I think listening to some of the crap radio and quickly paced music actually increases the aggression level !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got back from a holiday in Bali and the one thing you notice compared to here is just how courteous drivers are to one another. Heavy traffic and people actually let others get in the traffic flow.  </p>
<p>Here it is just all aggression and attempting to save seconds on journeys.  I do 45,000kms+ a year and see some many idiots on the road racing to achieve SFA in the end. </p>
<p>I just wish people would just accept being in a line of traffic, be calm and appreciate that they will get home safely instead of increasing their chance of being a statistic by stupid behavior&#8230;</p>
<p>Take the opportunity to listen to one of the many great free podcasts you can get these days.  I think listening to some of the crap radio and quickly paced music actually increases the aggression level !</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drove Sydney - Melbourne on Thursday and back Tuesday (Today). Apart from the rain and roadworks, both were relatively uneventful drives. Naturally almost the entir trip is fasterin the left lane thanks to toyotas hugging the right lanes.. but you soon turn up the stereo and just learn to expect it. 

On Thursday I was breathalysed 4 times between Sydney and the NSW border, not counting the 1 other RBT I was waved past - all on the M7, M5 and Hume Highway on my way down to Melbourne.

Hit Victoria, all I saw was speed cameras and radars. I guess Victorian police are still too busy attending level crossings where Victorians seem to be DETERMINED to wipe themselves and others out unfortunately. Still beats me why people don&#039;t look. It&#039;s a fairly large price to pay for not taking 10-15 seconds to come to a complete stop and double check. 

But bravo to NSW police for being friendly, polite and maintaining a very visible presence in NSW. I&#039;d be happy to get stopped for a RBT&#039;s every couple of days if it lessened the chance of some idiot coming screaming head on drunk onto my car while I go about my business innocently. Hope all the guys working on the highway had a great Easter and hopefully even had time off with their families in return for helping me get to mine safely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drove Sydney &#8211; Melbourne on Thursday and back Tuesday (Today). Apart from the rain and roadworks, both were relatively uneventful drives. Naturally almost the entir trip is fasterin the left lane thanks to toyotas hugging the right lanes.. but you soon turn up the stereo and just learn to expect it. </p>
<p>On Thursday I was breathalysed 4 times between Sydney and the NSW border, not counting the 1 other RBT I was waved past &#8211; all on the M7, M5 and Hume Highway on my way down to Melbourne.</p>
<p>Hit Victoria, all I saw was speed cameras and radars. I guess Victorian police are still too busy attending level crossings where Victorians seem to be DETERMINED to wipe themselves and others out unfortunately. Still beats me why people don&#8217;t look. It&#8217;s a fairly large price to pay for not taking 10-15 seconds to come to a complete stop and double check. </p>
<p>But bravo to NSW police for being friendly, polite and maintaining a very visible presence in NSW. I&#8217;d be happy to get stopped for a RBT&#8217;s every couple of days if it lessened the chance of some idiot coming screaming head on drunk onto my car while I go about my business innocently. Hope all the guys working on the highway had a great Easter and hopefully even had time off with their families in return for helping me get to mine safely.</p>
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