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		<title>By: Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 00:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This law is absurd for people like us... I mean I was overseas student in australia and was driving freely with my Overseas license. But now I am a permanent resident and now  I can&#039;t drive. I have to get NSW full license for that. and I went to get it but then they asked me for more documentation and things like that which is not easy to get. I have been driving for more than 11 years now but now since I am a permanent resident of Australia means I can no longer drive with my overseas license and have to drive with L plate - again means I will be targeted and targeted number of times and will be counted as a immature driver....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This law is absurd for people like us&#8230; I mean I was overseas student in australia and was driving freely with my Overseas license. But now I am a permanent resident and now  I can&#8217;t drive. I have to get NSW full license for that. and I went to get it but then they asked me for more documentation and things like that which is not easy to get. I have been driving for more than 11 years now but now since I am a permanent resident of Australia means I can no longer drive with my overseas license and have to drive with L plate &#8211; again means I will be targeted and targeted number of times and will be counted as a immature driver&#8230;.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 04:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where has Mr Paul Elbourne gone now that the NT road toll is the worst in 10 years, and getting worse. Perhaps he can give us some more stats how all these new laws have helped the NT road toll.</description>
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		<title>By: Adam Phister</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy to have a go at the young fellas but lets look at some other dangerous fuckers on the road.  Old people. I am one of these young cunts (25) with a 200kw car.(toyota soarer).  Also until recently i was using my road bike as a primary means of transport. i&#039;ve neally been wiped off the road a few times while doing the speed limit and i can tell you it wasn&#039;t young fellas neally side swipping me to my death, it was little old betsy or bob, or some fuckin forign idiot or worse and the most dangerous cunt of all these fucks.....a fuckin bus driver. I have and do thrash my vechicle on public roads but i carefully choose somewhere where the pigs and the public arn&#039;t. so i guess there fuckin laws are promoting safety after all. Accidents happen when people don&#039;t pay attention, or lose control.  If most older peoples cars lose traction, now there learning. Barstard of a time to find out how to correct your vechicle. because they haven&#039;t dropped skids and fishtailed there arses off for fun they have no fucking clue what to do.  most young people these days have a fuckin lot better chance of controling there vechicle in an emergency situation then there parents, because of such behaviour thats considered hooning. If a cheap place was provided for us to do the things our fathers encouraged us to enjoy it might help,,,,,,but your never gonna stop young men from frying the tires and sliding it sideways.  even my girl drops the odd skid. Hackies are cool. next time your up my street rip us a big old hack and i&#039;ll raise my finger to you. Not the middle one the thumb mate. young fellas drift on. just don&#039;t do it at high speeds or in populated areas where if you fuck it someone&#039;s gonna get hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy to have a go at the young fellas but lets look at some other dangerous fuckers on the road.  Old people. I am one of these young cunts (25) with a 200kw car.(toyota soarer).  Also until recently i was using my road bike as a primary means of transport. i&#8217;ve neally been wiped off the road a few times while doing the speed limit and i can tell you it wasn&#8217;t young fellas neally side swipping me to my death, it was little old betsy or bob, or some fuckin forign idiot or worse and the most dangerous cunt of all these fucks&#8230;..a fuckin bus driver. I have and do thrash my vechicle on public roads but i carefully choose somewhere where the pigs and the public arn&#8217;t. so i guess there fuckin laws are promoting safety after all. Accidents happen when people don&#8217;t pay attention, or lose control.  If most older peoples cars lose traction, now there learning. Barstard of a time to find out how to correct your vechicle. because they haven&#8217;t dropped skids and fishtailed there arses off for fun they have no fucking clue what to do.  most young people these days have a fuckin lot better chance of controling there vechicle in an emergency situation then there parents, because of such behaviour thats considered hooning. If a cheap place was provided for us to do the things our fathers encouraged us to enjoy it might help,,,,,,but your never gonna stop young men from frying the tires and sliding it sideways.  even my girl drops the odd skid. Hackies are cool. next time your up my street rip us a big old hack and i&#8217;ll raise my finger to you. Not the middle one the thumb mate. young fellas drift on. just don&#8217;t do it at high speeds or in populated areas where if you fuck it someone&#8217;s gonna get hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Tyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Tyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 06:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You present some good points. However I would like to mention that you would have to view those figures on a per capita basis to make any meaningful conclusion - the population growth rate in south east Queensland, for example, is rediculously high - so I would be surprised if I didn&#039;t see an increase in the road toll.

Most people know how to &#039;control&#039; a car - but when it comes to actually &#039;driving&#039; a car, most people come up severely lacking.

Right from proper cornering techniques and maintaining and shifting balance to knowing how to release locked up brakes in a non-ABS car.

Query many young drivers and ask them: &quot;What is ABS? What is traction control? What is Active Stability Management? What does a LSD do? At what speed does the traction control and active stability management on your car cut out?&quot;

Most of them will not be able to answer you. Some may be able name what ABS is - either saying Anti-Lock Braking System or Anti Brake-Skid - which have both been used in car magazines and news paper reviews. Some will be able to rearrange the questions to say: &quot;It&#039;s a management system which actively manages the stability of your car,&quot; or &quot;It controls the traction of the vehicle.&quot;

To the final question, you will most likely get the response: &quot;It cuts out?&quot;

Starting by educating young drivers on these features, what they do, how they keep you safer, and what it&#039;s like to drive without all these things, would save an incredible amount of lives.

Young drivers, just into their first early 90&#039;s car, may have seen someone in a more recent model do all sorts of interesting things. In a monkey-see-monkey-do manner, they may try to emulate these things - not realising how the recent model driver was assisted by his ABS system, Traction Control, Active Stability Management, and some fancy new Viscous Limited Slip Differential or some such thing (I personally think VLSD kills all fun) - not to mention his experience.

It&#039;s ironic how so many people have these features in their cars but have no idea what they actually do. Young people no lesser.

I was lucky enough to do a defensive driving course about 3 months before getting my licence. Although I knew what all these things did before I did the course, it was amazing how my classmates had me clear up some of their misunderstanding of their functions.

To think that so many youth get on the road without even a basic education on the functioning of a car scares me.

These things should be learnt along with the road-rules - before the drivers even get behind the wheel.

Road rules are only half the matter.

And you shouldn&#039;t be angry because you got a speeding ticket, that&#039;s your stupid fault - you should be angry because cops are always c@#$s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You present some good points. However I would like to mention that you would have to view those figures on a per capita basis to make any meaningful conclusion &#8211; the population growth rate in south east Queensland, for example, is rediculously high &#8211; so I would be surprised if I didn&#8217;t see an increase in the road toll.</p>
<p>Most people know how to &#8216;control&#8217; a car &#8211; but when it comes to actually &#8216;driving&#8217; a car, most people come up severely lacking.</p>
<p>Right from proper cornering techniques and maintaining and shifting balance to knowing how to release locked up brakes in a non-ABS car.</p>
<p>Query many young drivers and ask them: &#8220;What is ABS? What is traction control? What is Active Stability Management? What does a LSD do? At what speed does the traction control and active stability management on your car cut out?&#8221;</p>
<p>Most of them will not be able to answer you. Some may be able name what ABS is &#8211; either saying Anti-Lock Braking System or Anti Brake-Skid &#8211; which have both been used in car magazines and news paper reviews. Some will be able to rearrange the questions to say: &#8220;It&#8217;s a management system which actively manages the stability of your car,&#8221; or &#8220;It controls the traction of the vehicle.&#8221;</p>
<p>To the final question, you will most likely get the response: &#8220;It cuts out?&#8221;</p>
<p>Starting by educating young drivers on these features, what they do, how they keep you safer, and what it&#8217;s like to drive without all these things, would save an incredible amount of lives.</p>
<p>Young drivers, just into their first early 90&#8217;s car, may have seen someone in a more recent model do all sorts of interesting things. In a monkey-see-monkey-do manner, they may try to emulate these things &#8211; not realising how the recent model driver was assisted by his ABS system, Traction Control, Active Stability Management, and some fancy new Viscous Limited Slip Differential or some such thing (I personally think VLSD kills all fun) &#8211; not to mention his experience.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic how so many people have these features in their cars but have no idea what they actually do. Young people no lesser.</p>
<p>I was lucky enough to do a defensive driving course about 3 months before getting my licence. Although I knew what all these things did before I did the course, it was amazing how my classmates had me clear up some of their misunderstanding of their functions.</p>
<p>To think that so many youth get on the road without even a basic education on the functioning of a car scares me.</p>
<p>These things should be learnt along with the road-rules &#8211; before the drivers even get behind the wheel.</p>
<p>Road rules are only half the matter.</p>
<p>And you shouldn&#8217;t be angry because you got a speeding ticket, that&#8217;s your stupid fault &#8211; you should be angry because cops are always <a href="mailto:c@#$s.">c@#$s.</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny, but I have been saying this sort of stuff for 15 years and I am only just over 40.  For driver training we should be looking at how pilots are trained and developing similar systems for all drivers.  Being certified on a class of vehicle before being allowed to driver it would dramatically improve safety.  Extend it to vehicle &amp; license interlocks with biometrics and things would be much closer to fool proof.  However no government has the guts to make these changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny, but I have been saying this sort of stuff for 15 years and I am only just over 40.  For driver training we should be looking at how pilots are trained and developing similar systems for all drivers.  Being certified on a class of vehicle before being allowed to driver it would dramatically improve safety.  Extend it to vehicle &amp; license interlocks with biometrics and things would be much closer to fool proof.  However no government has the guts to make these changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian McGregor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian McGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Terry.  What is so hard about keeping to a speed limit?  Speed limits are not about safety,  If the issue was safety then the limits would be much lower. Speed Limits are about managing risk.  The faster you go the higher the risk.

If you like paying good hard earned money into the Government coffers when you don&#039;t need to then go right ahead and keep paying.  As for me, I dont like paying taxes that I don&#039;t need to.

As I said before, &quot;I used to drive like you once, one day you will drive like me.&quot;

Cheers
Ian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Terry.  What is so hard about keeping to a speed limit?  Speed limits are not about safety,  If the issue was safety then the limits would be much lower. Speed Limits are about managing risk.  The faster you go the higher the risk.</p>
<p>If you like paying good hard earned money into the Government coffers when you don&#8217;t need to then go right ahead and keep paying.  As for me, I dont like paying taxes that I don&#8217;t need to.</p>
<p>As I said before, &#8220;I used to drive like you once, one day you will drive like me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Ian.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: alborz</title>
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		<dc:creator>alborz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 01:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 01:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers alborz. That was a prime example of how they get it wrong. Simple solution though would be to go elsewhere. That way they wont make any money from from speeding fines (if you don&#039;t speed) and using their track.
Down here you can pay a premium to ride the Island, or pay a bit less and ride somewhere like Calder park. One is as much fun as the other IMO (though nothing really beats the Island).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers alborz. That was a prime example of how they get it wrong. Simple solution though would be to go elsewhere. That way they wont make any money from from speeding fines (if you don&#8217;t speed) and using their track.<br />
Down here you can pay a premium to ride the Island, or pay a bit less and ride somewhere like Calder park. One is as much fun as the other IMO (though nothing really beats the Island).</p>
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		<dc:creator>alborz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 00:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry Said : 

&quot;If a well signed camera slows people down in a known black spot, I think it’s done it’s job.&quot;

I 100% agree mate, I am all for Speed Cameras in blackspots, the problem is Police are abusing their power, they are waiting down hills on roads where accidents do not occur, 

I do take my car to the track, and I agree 100% that public roads are not for drag racing and speeding,
however here in QLD, the QLD government doesn&#039;t like us on their tracks anyway, have a read of this, 

http://www.caradvice.com.au/2237/qld-transport-doesnt-support-car-enthusiasts/

So they are pushing us of the track and onto public roads. 

Good on you QLD government.</description>
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<p>&#8220;If a well signed camera slows people down in a known black spot, I think it’s done it’s job.&#8221;</p>
<p>I 100% agree mate, I am all for Speed Cameras in blackspots, the problem is Police are abusing their power, they are waiting down hills on roads where accidents do not occur, </p>
<p>I do take my car to the track, and I agree 100% that public roads are not for drag racing and speeding,<br />
however here in QLD, the QLD government doesn&#8217;t like us on their tracks anyway, have a read of this, </p>
<p><a href="http://www.caradvice.com.au/2237/qld-transport-doesnt-support-car-enthusiasts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.caradvice.com.au/22.....thusiasts/</a></p>
<p>So they are pushing us of the track and onto public roads. </p>
<p>Good on you QLD government.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/1121/road-toll-reduction-a-new-approach/comment-page-1/#comment-15682</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 00:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a question; what&#039;s so hard about keeping to a speed limit? Ignore the advisory signs and drive to the speedo in your car. If you get pulled over you can honestly say &quot;I was driving to the speed limit.&quot;
Why do you have to do 120 in a 60 zone? Even cops aren&#039;t allowed to unless they&#039;ve got permission. I know cops who&#039;ve been punished for speeding to get to home invasions.

In my opinion using public roads are a privilege, not a right. If you have issues with the rules, catch a bus. I call it a privilege because you have to pay taxes and get licences to drive. Think of it like a club; you have to pay to get in, and if you act up you get kicked out.

Alborz you said 
&quot;..drivers in performance cars, like myself, will never be bullied away by speed cameras or fear campaigns that the government pushes down on us, the speed camera phenomenon is simple, its to raise money, not to save lives.&quot;

In my opinion, that&#039;s the kind of attitude that gets people killed. It isn&#039;t about bullying; it&#039;s about doing what they can to control a problem that&#039;s out of their control. Some of the time their actions are questionable, but some of the time they get it right. If a well signed camera slows people down in a known black spot, I think it&#039;s done it&#039;s job.

If you buy a performance car, spend some money and take it to the track for your jollies. Stop being cheap and putting other people at risk when you feel like pushing your envelopes.
What&#039;s the point of buying a performance car? Most of them aren&#039;t fuel economical and are expensive to run when you consider tyres and spares. If you say it&#039;s your choice and you should have the freedom to buy what you want, then great. Just don&#039;t subject me to your mistakes.

I own a motorcycle myself and use it as my regular commute. I also go on track days when I want to stretch it&#039;s legs and have some fun. If you think young people in cars have a chip on their shoulders when it comes to police attention, try talking to anyone in the bike fraternity.

People like Paul probably live with the consequences of other peoples&#039; actions everyday. I know ambos and trauma nurses who&#039;ve changed so much from having to deal with kids who think they&#039;re bullet proof and are entitled to drive 200kw cars.

Back to my original question; what&#039;s so hard about keeping to a speed limit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a question; what&#8217;s so hard about keeping to a speed limit? Ignore the advisory signs and drive to the speedo in your car. If you get pulled over you can honestly say &#8220;I was driving to the speed limit.&#8221;<br />
Why do you have to do 120 in a 60 zone? Even cops aren&#8217;t allowed to unless they&#8217;ve got permission. I know cops who&#8217;ve been punished for speeding to get to home invasions.</p>
<p>In my opinion using public roads are a privilege, not a right. If you have issues with the rules, catch a bus. I call it a privilege because you have to pay taxes and get licences to drive. Think of it like a club; you have to pay to get in, and if you act up you get kicked out.</p>
<p>Alborz you said<br />
&#8220;..drivers in performance cars, like myself, will never be bullied away by speed cameras or fear campaigns that the government pushes down on us, the speed camera phenomenon is simple, its to raise money, not to save lives.&#8221;</p>
<p>In my opinion, that&#8217;s the kind of attitude that gets people killed. It isn&#8217;t about bullying; it&#8217;s about doing what they can to control a problem that&#8217;s out of their control. Some of the time their actions are questionable, but some of the time they get it right. If a well signed camera slows people down in a known black spot, I think it&#8217;s done it&#8217;s job.</p>
<p>If you buy a performance car, spend some money and take it to the track for your jollies. Stop being cheap and putting other people at risk when you feel like pushing your envelopes.<br />
What&#8217;s the point of buying a performance car? Most of them aren&#8217;t fuel economical and are expensive to run when you consider tyres and spares. If you say it&#8217;s your choice and you should have the freedom to buy what you want, then great. Just don&#8217;t subject me to your mistakes.</p>
<p>I own a motorcycle myself and use it as my regular commute. I also go on track days when I want to stretch it&#8217;s legs and have some fun. If you think young people in cars have a chip on their shoulders when it comes to police attention, try talking to anyone in the bike fraternity.</p>
<p>People like Paul probably live with the consequences of other peoples&#8217; actions everyday. I know ambos and trauma nurses who&#8217;ve changed so much from having to deal with kids who think they&#8217;re bullet proof and are entitled to drive 200kw cars.</p>
<p>Back to my original question; what&#8217;s so hard about keeping to a speed limit?</p>
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