Comments on: Nissan GT-R .vs. Porsche 911 Turbo on Dyno

By: Ravinder Singh

Ravinder Singh — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:17:53 +0000

I knew , its gonna happen sum day, ba coudnt believe too early. I dont know much about cars, but when it came to the pride of porch, I realy got stunned………..superb car….

By: Someone

Someone — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:53:29 +0000

I still don’t understand that it’s just a Nissan thing… Is it still a Nissan because it wasn’t the best ? And does that mean that it never will be a good car because it’s still a Nissan ? I guess people just can’t accept that Nissan has reached such success and are making lame excuses like “It’s just a Nissan!”. Yes, GTR may not be as comfortable and etc., but look at the price ! I also think that if Nissan would have it’s engine in the rear, the results would be better… People who like luxury and can afford Porsche, choose it. People who don’t care about luxury, are on a budget, or want to feel like they are driving a real sports (no luxury, like NASCAR) car, choose GTR. Both cars are good and its your choice.. Performance+Luxury=$$ or Performance=$ .Also GTR is made that way so people can get the performance they dreamed about for a lower price. Isn’t that what all people who are on a budget want ? I don’t understand the other thing some people say… It can’t be a super car because it doesn’t cost tons of money ? ok let’s say instead of $80k Nissan sells the same car for $160k, so does it become a super car ? They can put any price they want on their car.

By: dogofchaos

dogofchaos — Sun, 25 May 2008 03:48:17 +0000

LOL… “even if it is hand built by a small army of Ninjas in a secret location in Japan”

My opinion is this, yes the Nissan is a killer car, guaranteed. But speed is not the only facet of ownership of such vehicles. If I owned the Nissan, i would be in the upper echelons of the sports tuner community. I’d be respected by ever spiky haired club going kid on each city street corner.

The Porsche on the other hand, doesn’t need your respect in such a manner. Everyone knows it’s capability, it’s racing heritage, it’s class, power, sophistication, etc. There are some things that are invalid in comparing the vehicles but I do not think should get carried away. After all, the Porsche was the Nissan’s BENCHMARK.

I have wanted to own a Porsche since I was a teenager. Nothing can take away the fact it’s got that raucious motor in the rear, the charismatic looks, the history, quality, name, etc. I’d pick up the keys if i was offered either of the two without a second’s hesitation.

By: Eric

Eric — Fri, 09 May 2008 17:39:48 +0000

I absolutely guarantee that if the prices were totally reversed, I’d still buy the GT-R.

Dale came up with this list;

- Racing heritage
- Hand built
- Exclusivity
- Reliability
- Luxury

Can I just comment on that same list by saying;

Racing heritage
A little better, but c’mon Renault are successful at Formula 1 !!! This is not the whole story…

Hand built
You believe that?

Exclusivity
Probably not correct, and to be fair, 911 drivers are seen as tw*ts to some degree…

Reliability
Utter shite, sorry

Luxury
Perhaps, but should any 2-seat ‘racer’ be bought on luxury grounds???

Listen guys, I live in Europe and work very closely with German cars – VERY over-rated, you will learn this in time.

By: John

John — Fri, 09 May 2008 04:32:00 +0000

Too many people seem to judge how good a car is based on there 0 – 100 times and so on.
No matter how much faster the Nissan is its still not a better car.
Im a huge fan of porsches but i do respect what the japs have done with the Nissan.
To say the Nissan is better than the porsche is really stupid first of all the Nissan will date in time and im sure the porsche in 30 years will still look better and going from past examlples of old porsches they are becoming very collectable and expensise.
If money was not an issue 100% of people would choose the porsche simple as that and not the fact its .3 of a secs slower.

By: Amr

Amr — Fri, 02 May 2008 00:24:41 +0000

People that buy “supercars” look for exclusivity. The Nissan will always just be a Nissan, even if it had 1000hp, wait, come to think about it, the old GT-R was tuned up to 1000hp+ but it was STILL A NISSAN!!!
Not to mention the fact that people that buy Porsches are usually facing a mid time crises, and the car is just a bate.. and if I were in their place, I wouldn’t want to sit in a car and explain how it matches a Porsche’s performance, yet it is cheaper..
I respect the car.. but come on guys.. its a Nissan..

By: Ryan

Ryan — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:22:14 +0000

Porsche, hands down. The figures look great for the GT-R, however, its a Nissan! The 997 will still look great in 5 years, Japanese cars loose there styling fast. Plus the 997 turbo’s getting a facelift and bump of 20hp for 2009.

No matter what the figures are a Porsche will be a Porsche, a Nissan will be a Nissan. Comparable numbers, but different target markets. The ideal client profile and decision making process for these two potential buyers are at different ends of the spectrum.

But hey maybe in biased! haha

-Ryan-
http://www.theporschepit.com

By: Dale

Dale — Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:05:49 +0000

Alright… I think everyone is getting carried away with this argument!

Let me justify the price tag difference here a little. Porshe is so much more expensive for these reasons:

- Racing heritage
- Hand built
- Exclusivity
- Reliability
- Luxury

Now of course you would argue the point that the GTR has all of those things… well it does… just not to the extent of Porsche. Especially in the luxury category.

But of course you do pay a fair bit for the badge. Remember Porsche don’t sell mass production cars like Pulsars.

Overall I still have to think the GTR is a winner in how well it does for it’s price. Just remember the more technology involved in a car… the more that can go wrong.

I’d buy the GTR if I did need the extra money,

By: joober

joober — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:21:42 +0000

Agree Juraj,

We pay a mint on any prestige labels, whether Porche beamers, ferrari, same as we do for burberry, harmon Kardon, and the likes, naturally people are addicted to stature and would pay 1000% over the cost price. Sure you get more quality materials and refinement but its not aligned with the + 200k price tag

hehe Bavarian, I would take a 911 over a GTR too, coz of the shiny schwing factor :P, But for the ‘ive won a scratchy lottery’ oriented off the shelf supercar there not much in comparison to the GTR.

By: Bavarian Missile

Bavarian Missile — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:13:34 +0000

That was all fine but you mentioned a Vet in the same sentence as a Porsche……….Me I think the Germans will always be a step a head,they have earn’t their credentials over decades……..their not about to give them up. Its years of proving yourself as a manufacturer not just one car.

Saying that I think the GTR is a fabulous car but would I have it over the 911,naaaaaaaaa.

And a Vet?????pffttt I’ll take the GTR first thanks!

By: Juraj

Juraj — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:39:03 +0000

It’s not really a surprise the 911 Turbo is beaten. Before the GTR, it has long been outpaced by the C6 Corvette Z06. It may not outhandle or provide the same aura, but at 1/3 the price, I’m beginning to believe we pay a lot extra for European prestige. The Nissan would be a winner if it can perform the duties of a real exotic. Porsche is still Porsche, but with how rapid the Japs are closing in on Euro luxury and performance, we might have a new car world order before we know it.

By: Kenzo

Kenzo — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:26:44 +0000

i think the nissan is the new benchmark. if nissan can make a car that handles at it does for half the price. then i think porsche could do the same no problem. or ferrari.

im still no fan of the GTR but i respect that the car itself is a monumental achievement for nissan or anyone.

i hope the toyota hybrid FT something (or supra) does just as well. and they are touting it as ‘affordable’. which can make it interesting.

By: Joober

Joober — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:39:22 +0000

Phil, well it depends if Toyota’s corporate strategy will dedicate to performance!

Just to add out of interest, the drag co of the gtr is .27, Veyron is ~.34 enzo is ~.36

By: Phill

Phill — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:40:35 +0000

Give it some time and the new supra will be in this group as well

By: Joober

Joober — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:39:47 +0000

Mick,

Mind stating the Price tag of each of the car? How many cars out there at its price tag outperforms it? Look at the US market where its sub 100K. The interests of these cars are already gone through the roof.

By: Mick

Mick — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:26:25 +0000

Well first we saw the GTR beat a 911 around the Nurburgring, now it performs better on the dyno. But who really cares?

I saw the GTR at the Melbourne motorshow and wasn’t impressed by it at all, yeh sure its fast and has a big lump of power. But Supercars aren’t all about going fast, take the Veyron for example its amazingly fast, it handles like its on rails and it looks stunning. Or a Gallardo another supercar that is amazingly fast, handles well and it looks great as well.

As for the GTR for me it only ticks 2 out of 3 boxes and im sure as we start seeing more testing in Australia of them other differences will appear between the Porsche and GT-R. Like others have said it doesn’t have the German/European quality, even if it is hand built by a small army of Ninjas in a secret location in Japan, big deal Porsche have been doing this for decades!

Well thats my 2 cents, back to the drawing board Nissan, give us something that will set new benchmarks not just try keep up with the rest of the class.

By: No Name

No Name — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:30:23 +0000

Aaah theres the rub Jamison. Nissan will never have the percived quality that the Porsche has due to the pricing. The Porsche will always be ahead in these terms. Toyota created Lexus and Nissan the Infinity range to raise a challenge to the established up market ranges. Lexus has succeeded to a point but will strugggle to gain more of a foothold from now on in, unless they do it better.

Performance on the track is one thing but presence is another. I doubt any of the manufacturers will truly catch the established marks.

By: jamison

jamison — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:09:08 +0000

Again… huge fan of Nissan and japanese engineering in general. and the GTR legacy.

Some people who have brushed off japanese performance or luxury as “no way near” Euro’s.

Well, I’m gonna have to put it simply as…

Its one thing to innovate…. but its another to have perfect execution.

Japanese focus towards the execution bit. Innovating cost money and a lot of unproven concepts… once its proven… and tested… Japanese reverse engineer… then design and execute as perfect as they can.

The other good comparison is the IS-F and M3… Im a huge M3 fan, but from what I’ve seen and know with the IS-F… its going to be pushing the M3… for a cheaper price.

But back on topic… I’m a huge Porsche fan too.. but the GTR’s superior practical applications, even performance, 30~40% lower retail price…. its just too good.
Porsche is still a great buy if you are a very very rich man/woman, but for the people who live comfortably and are into performance…. GTR is just up there in the lists.

By: mark

mark — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:03:17 +0000

One thing i dont get with the gtr is the price! If you convert yen to aus$ it costs about $90 000,but when it goes on sale here it will cost about $150 000. there is no way it can cost $60 000 to put it on a dam boat!!!!! sure volume may not be as high compliance cost wise, but tohave to pay 40% more for a car then the rest of the world, why are we made to bleed out the back yard for it?

By: Tom Jakovljevic

Tom Jakovljevic — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:23:45 +0000

Chris Carter – In what way is the SR20 Superior to other 4 bangers?