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		<title>By: Cranky Franky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Franky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buy a Hyundai or a Kia, they are cheap and cheerful</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buy a Hyundai or a Kia, they are cheap and cheerful</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely! I love to look of the new Prius and Camry Hybrid, I would love to own and drive one, but my budget for a new car is $26,000...if i won $38,000 on the lotto i would certainly consider taking the plunge!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely! I love to look of the new Prius and Camry Hybrid, I would love to own and drive one, but my budget for a new car is $26,000&#8230;if i won $38,000 on the lotto i would certainly consider taking the plunge!</p>
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		<title>By: TimC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AND STEVEC IS UR LAST NAME CUMMING? I THINK I KNOW U ROFL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AND STEVEC IS UR LAST NAME CUMMING? I THINK I KNOW U ROFL</p>
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		<title>By: TimC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TimC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, im doing a school project on hybrid cars comparing petrol electic cars with diesel electric cars. i have found a few diesel electric  hybrids and it just seems ovious that thats the way to go. DOES ANYONE NO ANY DIESEL ELECTRIC CARS THAT ARE ON SAIL NOW?. i cant find any because i need prices to be alb eto do my project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, im doing a school project on hybrid cars comparing petrol electic cars with diesel electric cars. i have found a few diesel electric  hybrids and it just seems ovious that thats the way to go. DOES ANYONE NO ANY DIESEL ELECTRIC CARS THAT ARE ON SAIL NOW?. i cant find any because i need prices to be alb eto do my project.</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote your source then, cos according to my source the products from a volume of Crude are as above but that depends on the type and quality of crude. You&#039;re wrong Wrong wrong.

Where you source of info. lets see it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote your source then, cos according to my source the products from a volume of Crude are as above but that depends on the type and quality of crude. You&#8217;re wrong Wrong wrong.</p>
<p>Where you source of info. lets see it</p>
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		<title>By: TP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Name I know very well how petrol, diesel and all the other bi-products are made... I dont recall saying 25% mroe energy, if I did, I meant Diesel requires 25% more oil to produce, which is a FACT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Name I know very well how petrol, diesel and all the other bi-products are made&#8230; I dont recall saying 25% mroe energy, if I did, I meant Diesel requires 25% more oil to produce, which is a FACT</p>
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		<title>By: Eyma Teapot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eyma Teapot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve C, i dont have an answer for you but another question instead. Can any one tell me why the price of petrol can change so much (usually upwards on pay day or on long weekends) yet deisel seems to change more or less the same.There seems to be very little price competition on deisel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve C, i dont have an answer for you but another question instead. Can any one tell me why the price of petrol can change so much (usually upwards on pay day or on long weekends) yet deisel seems to change more or less the same.There seems to be very little price competition on deisel.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And on that, the reason diesel is more expensive than petrol, even though it is less refined (less work involved to produce it) is because of the standards that are put in place require diesel to be further refined (or possibly require additives), which jacks up the price. This is my understanding. I could be wrong.

If I am, then why is diesel more expensive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on that, the reason diesel is more expensive than petrol, even though it is less refined (less work involved to produce it) is because of the standards that are put in place require diesel to be further refined (or possibly require additives), which jacks up the price. This is my understanding. I could be wrong.</p>
<p>If I am, then why is diesel more expensive?</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TP - &quot;Diesels which consume MORE oil not less&quot; Hoe come when you can generally drive 20-30% further on a litre od diesel.
Remember Petrol and diesel come from CRUDE OIL. Form the UKPIa website &quot;Typically, a barrel of North Sea crude oil will yield 3% LPG, 37% petrol, 25% diesel, 20% kerosene (jet fuel/heating oil) and 12% fuel oil&quot;

So despite what others have said diesel is not a waste product from petrol refining. And by the way your statement &quot;it take 25% more energy to make diesel&quot; is WRONG.
Do you know how fuels are made, probably not! Well its like this you basically heat up crude to 800-900degC, the various products are drawn off, the first the heavier fuels like DIESEL and Heating Oil, then at higher temperatures the kerosene and naptha, the building block for petrol, and finally gases propane and butane.
Therefore it actually takes less energy to make diesel as it is drawn off in a raw state, your petrol takes higher temperatures and then need further processing to make it into petrol, more energy required. So you wrong wrong wrong wrong and a bit more wrong,
All this info is available at the UKPIA website. There I&#039;ve provided the evidence to back up my claim something you have NEVER done. Answer a question.. go on do it ANSWER A QUESTION.
Oh by the way I work in the petroleum industry my company build petrol stations and have to registered with UKPIA in order to carry out their work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TP &#8211; &#8220;Diesels which consume MORE oil not less&#8221; Hoe come when you can generally drive 20-30% further on a litre od diesel.<br />
Remember Petrol and diesel come from CRUDE OIL. Form the UKPIa website &#8220;Typically, a barrel of North Sea crude oil will yield 3% LPG, 37% petrol, 25% diesel, 20% kerosene (jet fuel/heating oil) and 12% fuel oil&#8221;</p>
<p>So despite what others have said diesel is not a waste product from petrol refining. And by the way your statement &#8220;it take 25% more energy to make diesel&#8221; is WRONG.<br />
Do you know how fuels are made, probably not! Well its like this you basically heat up crude to 800-900degC, the various products are drawn off, the first the heavier fuels like DIESEL and Heating Oil, then at higher temperatures the kerosene and naptha, the building block for petrol, and finally gases propane and butane.<br />
Therefore it actually takes less energy to make diesel as it is drawn off in a raw state, your petrol takes higher temperatures and then need further processing to make it into petrol, more energy required. So you wrong wrong wrong wrong and a bit more wrong,<br />
All this info is available at the UKPIA website. There I&#8217;ve provided the evidence to back up my claim something you have NEVER done. Answer a question.. go on do it ANSWER A QUESTION.<br />
Oh by the way I work in the petroleum industry my company build petrol stations and have to registered with UKPIA in order to carry out their work.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveC</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair comments. But oil consumption is so much more than just the petrol in your car and the oil in your gearbox and engine. Bumper bars are made of plastic, which comes from oil. Dashboards, steering wheels, etc.

The thing is, in my opinion; hybrid isn&#039;t a solution at all. It&#039;s just shifting the pollution further up the production line.

But then I start to think about hybrids and how they work. Let me explain.... An engine is least fuel efficient at its coldest. Fuel injected cars are good at running at all sorts of operating temperatures, unlike old carbi cars. This is a good thing, but a cold engine runs richer. A cold engine won&#039;t get up to operating temp as often or as quick as one running on petrol full time. A hybrid engine, although gets used more often than not, does it actually reach full operating temperature?

I guess this question is more specific to how the Prius and Honda&#039;s fugly thing works. Do they use different oils? Are the engines designed to run from dead cold to full potential instantly without compromise? What are the service intervals for these hybrids?

I&#039;ve heard people say that they fill up their Prius every 1000kms or something. I do the same in my Fiat. From my understanding petrol destroys the environment we live in. In effect, this is destroying ourselves, indirectly. Diesel apparently only affects living creatures but is safer (not precisely safe) on the environment. If this is true, then Diesel is better, using the same amount of fuel to travel the same distance but the difference being that a modern turbo diesel has some performance, where as with a general hybrid vehicle this is often the most complained about issue.

But then, with diesel we have other issues. It still uses oil. Sure there&#039;s bio-diesel. But what then, create crops for fuel? Everyone knows that cultivation is actually bad for the land. Which is why farmers don&#039;t use the same piece of land in two consecutive seasons. And this country is having enough of an issue farming anything anyway, with the drought and all.

So that leaves us with what?

I wrote an article about this many years ago in a mag about environmental issues. The conclusion was just as vague as it was before we started. But I did have one direction we could all head into. The answer is, we all need to change out lifestyles. Work close to home. Rely less on transport in general.

The truth is, this is crazy talk. This is the world we live in. We can&#039;t just head back into the stone ages and consult with the Amish to see how we can live better without all these pollution causing, land stipping, resource sucking progress we have put ourselves into.

Saying all that, it would be nice. But I can&#039;t live without my fast cars, internet connection and mobile phones. These all use oil to create and use. Everything these days does. And that is the sad part. The fact that we really really (yes, two really&#039;s) rely on oil so much. But they banned asbestos and companies made alternatives with brake pads and clutch plates. What if oil was shut down production? What would happen if it was just stopped one day? Everyone would have an expensive water pump sitting in their driveway, that&#039;s for sure. :)

Cheers
SteveC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair comments. But oil consumption is so much more than just the petrol in your car and the oil in your gearbox and engine. Bumper bars are made of plastic, which comes from oil. Dashboards, steering wheels, etc.</p>
<p>The thing is, in my opinion; hybrid isn&#8217;t a solution at all. It&#8217;s just shifting the pollution further up the production line.</p>
<p>But then I start to think about hybrids and how they work. Let me explain&#8230;. An engine is least fuel efficient at its coldest. Fuel injected cars are good at running at all sorts of operating temperatures, unlike old carbi cars. This is a good thing, but a cold engine runs richer. A cold engine won&#8217;t get up to operating temp as often or as quick as one running on petrol full time. A hybrid engine, although gets used more often than not, does it actually reach full operating temperature?</p>
<p>I guess this question is more specific to how the Prius and Honda&#8217;s fugly thing works. Do they use different oils? Are the engines designed to run from dead cold to full potential instantly without compromise? What are the service intervals for these hybrids?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard people say that they fill up their Prius every 1000kms or something. I do the same in my Fiat. From my understanding petrol destroys the environment we live in. In effect, this is destroying ourselves, indirectly. Diesel apparently only affects living creatures but is safer (not precisely safe) on the environment. If this is true, then Diesel is better, using the same amount of fuel to travel the same distance but the difference being that a modern turbo diesel has some performance, where as with a general hybrid vehicle this is often the most complained about issue.</p>
<p>But then, with diesel we have other issues. It still uses oil. Sure there&#8217;s bio-diesel. But what then, create crops for fuel? Everyone knows that cultivation is actually bad for the land. Which is why farmers don&#8217;t use the same piece of land in two consecutive seasons. And this country is having enough of an issue farming anything anyway, with the drought and all.</p>
<p>So that leaves us with what?</p>
<p>I wrote an article about this many years ago in a mag about environmental issues. The conclusion was just as vague as it was before we started. But I did have one direction we could all head into. The answer is, we all need to change out lifestyles. Work close to home. Rely less on transport in general.</p>
<p>The truth is, this is crazy talk. This is the world we live in. We can&#8217;t just head back into the stone ages and consult with the Amish to see how we can live better without all these pollution causing, land stipping, resource sucking progress we have put ourselves into.</p>
<p>Saying all that, it would be nice. But I can&#8217;t live without my fast cars, internet connection and mobile phones. These all use oil to create and use. Everything these days does. And that is the sad part. The fact that we really really (yes, two really&#8217;s) rely on oil so much. But they banned asbestos and companies made alternatives with brake pads and clutch plates. What if oil was shut down production? What would happen if it was just stopped one day? Everyone would have an expensive water pump sitting in their driveway, that&#8217;s for sure. <img src='http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers<br />
SteveC</p>
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