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Toyota working on new batteries

By Alborz Fallah |

Despite problems with its Lithium ion batteries, which are still to even hit mass production for hybrid or electric vehicles, Toyota Motor Corp. has started preliminary work on a new generation of batteries with twice the energy storage.

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According to reports from Japan’s Nikkan Kogyo newspaper, the Big T is aiming for each battery to run 80 kilometers on a single charge from a home outlet. The new batteries are expected by 2020.

lithium ion batteryToyota has already confirmed its intentions to have a hybrid variant in each model line by the 2020s, but given current issues with battery development, these post lithium-ion batteries might be the only way it can get there.

The Japanese giant believes extra power storage offered by these new batteries will help maintain its lead in hybrid vehicles for decades to come.

Going back to lithium ion batteries for a minute, they are scheduled in Toyota hybrid vehicles by the end of the decade.


 
  • No Name

    Come on TP – tell us the Aurion can do 0-100 in 3.2. Do 2ltrs/100 and out handes an M3 on the nurby, all on skini tyres.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    LOL NO NAME…….you will come to understand with people like TP on here one has to really laugh.

    TP………..the batteries and new technology; remember I said it will happen from where? Toyota…more importantly with suppliers will nut out a unreal solution pretty much spot on!

  • http://aca Jason Wilder

    Talking of Aurions, i took a SX Sportivo for a thrash (and i mean a trash) 3 days ago and was impressed on all accounts. The engine had seriuos go and was impressively responsive yet smooth, refined and quiet and willing for more even pass 6000rpm. Brakes were strong while the handling was good by all means. Flogged it hard around some winding back roads and held strong and then tested it at it’s limits around a round-about for 3 laps before sprinting off into another winding street. Despite the relatively skinny tyres i was impressed with it’s overall road going manners, braking and impressive drivetrain. Admittedly, 225/50/17 instead of the current 215/55/17 would do the car justice for what is a good car and a enjoyable drive. At tight lock i often had the front end lighting up before the ESP intervened and controlled the situation but i will say it allowed quite abit of spin before cutting the action. However, what i did try and induce was torque steer and at my total surprise was impressed with the lack of such a thing. From a standing start of about 5 times i floored the car at wide open throttle yet the ESP done a commenable job of controlling torque steer while sprinting us way past 100km/h in no time. Infact, keeping the steering wheel dead-straight required no effort at all. Overall, for a FWD car i was surprised by it’s manners in all facets and now look upon the Aurion in a different manner. Good drive.

  • Manny

    A lot of people has some sort of issues with Toyotas…just check out ihatemycar dot com dot au

  • Frugal One

    It alleged the new generation Prius will do a MASSIVE 150MPG!!

    Back in your box smelly diesel!!

    Now if they could do something about the price…..

    Cheers

    F-0

  • StingyBastard

    quoting Manny
    “A lot of people has some sort of issues with Toyotas…just check out ihatemycar dot com dot au”

    The Holden and Ford sections seem to have a lot more posts.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    FRUGAL ONE….the price will come down as other car makers such as Kia & Hyundai are full on also working on there R&D. I read that Kia Rio is mooted to cost only some 25% more then standard which is bugger all. Some competition will just occur and it depends who is first out of the blocks. Toyota is on right direction here and it will happen….the only question is when!

  • AGM

    Making the batteries last longer is all well and good, but by all accounts the Prius is still a boring drive! While hybrids are starting to get better (some of Lexus’ work stands out) I wouldn’t buy a hybrid purely because they do not excite me. A mate of mine drives a Prius as a work car and has expressed shock and disbelief over its handling and lack of acceleration. Quite funny this result, since he owns a small Korean car…

    Soon as they make a sporting hybrid (eg. the reputed Supra replacement) I’ll be interested…

  • Carl

    ^^^^^^^^sorry about the typo’s but i’m really p*ssed off with this car!!!!^^^^^^^^^

  • Tachyon

    While Toyota are spending Billions and Billions on what will effectively be redundent technology in maybe 10 years time, GM, are making huge advances in the field of alternatively powered vehicles. Have a look at the provoq concept for but one example. Toyota may win in the short term, but GM will once again take over car world when petrol/diesel prices hit extreme’s. And have you people ever looked at a Prius!! Jeez it looks ugly, almost manages to make the Chrysler PT Cruiser look stylish. Not to mension that there are plenty of diesel’s available with near as good, or better fuel consumption for 2 thirds the price.

  • Phill

    Batteries old tech,Thay still create emissions when there recharged off the grid.Isn’t the whole point to lower emissions not just shift it

  • Andrew M

    Phill,
    but wait………
    technically speaking an electric car doesnt produce any emissions ha ha ha ha
    they certainly dont say it isnt responsible for any emissions.
    like you just said all they do is shift the blame.

    the only thing that makes this car greener is the extra 100 dollar notes you have to stuff up its tail pipe in order to afford one over a vehicle that is better to drive, cheaper to purchase, and yep cheaper to run

  • Carl

    I wonder just how credible the fuel consumption claims for the prius really are because it’s the same engine that’s in the thirsty Yaris?????????

  • TP

    Nice write of Jason Wilder, you can tell people who have driven an Aurion vs who hasnt… the majorirty of people here (havent) will knock the crap out of it while us minority will praise it. Shove that up your ar*se no name and NM. I have not made any claims re Aurion other then facts, which you cant hack… hows that Falcon going again ‘definetely gonna be 220kw’. Pack of idiots, 5kw more, a Camry remains most power vehicle yet 0.5L less engine to work with.

    As for emmissions bla bla bla the immediate need for electric is due to something called OIL… which is decreasing in supply!!! Emisions is the secondary reason, and arguably a electric would be better for the envirnment… the power need to get an eletric car would almost certainly emit less via the powerstation producing the power of it then a car spewing sh*t out of its exhaust and the usual CO2 and the like.

  • Carl

    I’ll wait for a diesel hybrid for proper fuel economy cos Toyota refusues to make the prius LPG compatible and has no plans for diesel in the ugly Prius!!!

  • FORD

    Can they recycle the old batteries or do they end up on the Toyota pile of trash, I guess they are looking after the environment toymota can just tell you that in their own words, we must be fools to realize the facts hey…

  • Carl

    I’ve tried to post a comment twice about how my wifes yaris conumes much more fuel than the sticker claims and how angry i am about it but even though it has no rude words it’s bieng cencored by this web site!!!!!!

  • Carl

    Please….I would like to know what was wrong with my post about how Toyota lied to me about the fuel consumption of my wifes Yaris when most other car companies can get the figure pretty close to the real world mark???????

  • TP

    Diesel hybrid lol. You are aware diesel costs more? You are aware diesel takes 25% more oil to produce then petroleum? It fails on both accounts.

  • Carl

    Bull!!!! diesel is cheaper to make and is more torquey and 30% more fuel efficient BUT if you hate diesel so much at least demand LPG in the Prius cos that stuff is really cheap to make!!

  • Carl

    You can run a diesel engines on anything from coconut to canola oil any bl**dy oil will do!!!

    TP, What’s your opinion on BENZINE i’d really like to hear it?????????????????????????????????

    Google it and let us all know!!!!

  • Carl

    TP,Then you can LOL all you like!!!!!!!!!

  • FORD

    TP ane Pirius, a marriage made in heaven :-) I would love to throw the old batteries as the confetti, while the couple rolls out of the church “OH WHAT A JOKE” .. :-)

  • Carl

    If my LPG Falcon is much cheaper to run than my wifes Yaris then that’s living proof the Prius is the wrong engine runnig on the wrong fuel!!!!!!!!

  • Carl

    Prius is for green pretenders and posers with more money than brains….Oh, and good taste!!!

  • Phill

    I ment emissions from the powerstation when its recharged (I thought that would be a logical deduction).And has anyone heard of the Geet Device?

  • FORD

    Spot on Carl, some people hate the facts bring it on dude the truth needs to be heard…

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Yes using electric cars will not help significantly with the overall problem as more pressure will be on electricity suppliers. Thus it is only short to medium term solution at best. As I said on another post, they will nut out the batteries to be topped up by braking, acceleration, solar and other means. What you people seem to be ignorant of is the technology is changing and it is happening fast. It might take some time – but it will happen. Solar absorptance ratio currently operates at 14% efficiency through silicone means….that is low and is changing. The solar collector will soon become newer capturing 100% of the sun UV rays putting less reliance on charging of electric cars! You people just whinge and whine and take same waffle…………….look at what Toyota and others are doing now and where they are going as your all too regimental!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    typo…….talk same waffle

  • Carl

    Phill, i just (googled Geet device) and it sounds too good to be true… do you know if it really works and if so why it’s being suppressed??????

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    TP comment….March 7th, 2008 at 5:27 pm.

    “…you can tell people who have driven an Aurion vs who hasnt… the majorirty of people here (havent) will knock the crap out of it while us minority will praise it. Shove that up your ar*se no name and NM”

    Facts (assume NM is me?):
    1. I like the Aurion in Sportivo form and would need swaying to go Falcon with reviews
    2. I have driven an Aurion and like the smoothness and power heaps

    You have been caught out TP as you are talking crap…again and look like an arseclown dumbarse!

  • Carl

    NM, I’ve heard sliver technology will make solar panels cheaper and more efficient… why doesn’t Toyota include solar panels, more batteries and a more fuel efficient engine for that massive price on the prius????

  • Bavarian Missile

    So it will be a bit like a rechargeable vibrator…..but with out the pleasure.

    I know what would give me more pleasure…..Yep it begins with P and ends in S too but HARD to get them mixed up.hehehe

  • Carl

    BM, You are disgustingly horny…….don’t ever change ilove it!!!!!

  • Wheelnut

    If Toyota are planning to have a Hybrid of every model … A Hybrid Prado-Landcruiser would need a Battery almost the same size as… a Prado-Landcruiser

  • Phill

    I have not see it in person but i have see demo vids on free energy.Oil,oil companys,just money in the end

  • Bavarian Missile

    ahhhhh,no Carl. Aint Wheelnut lucky!

  • No Name

    Carl. TP NEVER ANSWERS A QUESTION. PERIOD.
    TP – TAKES 25% more oil to make diesel. Thats complete bollix, prove it. If It does whay does it only cost 3 or 3% more than petrol???? Anwser that, but I know you cannot.

    TP if you knew anything there are more diesel hybrids on the horizon than petrol. Admittedly I believe none exist right now.

  • Carl

    BM, Lucky SOB!!!! LOL

  • No Name

    Oh f8ck I wish I could touch type.

  • Carl

    No Name, You crack me up…LOL….i wouldn’t want to be your keyboard when you “do” learn to TOUCH type!!!

  • Carl

    No Name, Yes TP apears to have gone quite silent….. My point to him was that if you are trying to build an eviromentally friendly car why wouldn’t you start with a decent fuel efficient engine to start off with and then build from that … but this 1.5 litre engine in the Yaris and Prius sucks up petrol like there’s no tomorrow, pound for pound it’s one of the worst guzzlers i’ve ever seen!!

  • Eyma Teapot

    Why is the Prius so ugly. I have always thought Toyota for the most part make very bland cars style wise, but the have really taken yhe cake with this one. It kind of looks like a Sqished citroen.

  • TP

    Diesel takes 25% more oil, this isnt bullox, do some research ignorant fairy!! The whole idea behind hybrids etc from a personal perspective is cost savings, well it cost more! The whole idea for hybrids on a manufacturers side is not only sales through these cost savings but also a future, because oil is running out, therefore something which requires even more oil then currently is being consumed (which currently isnt sustainable!) isnt the way to go. This is common sense.

  • No Name

    Thats exactly right Carl. The prius does 65mpg and has aCO2 output of 104g/km. Here (UK) VW do a ‘bluemotion range’ they are the green version that have different grill, underlining, and state of tune. The bluemotion polo does 74.3mpg and 99g/km. Mmmmm that better than the Prius and at a cost of roughly $10K less. Apologies for the imperial stats I just could not be arsed to convert them.

    Come TP, put me out me misery mate.

  • TP

    Oh and ‘implicated in health problems’ is quite funny, but that they mean directly linked to cancer.

  • Eyma Teapot

    TP, sorry but you realy are full of crap as the very wise No name points out. Diesel uses no more oil in refining than petrol and for the most part, produces far less less c02 emmisions than petrol. As evidence of this, Carsguide [sorry, i know they are a competitor site] Awarded the Hyundai I30 Diesel not only the 07 car of the year but also the GREEN CAR OF THE YEAR. This was decided by not only looking at c02 emmisions but the bigger picture.
    Battery cell charging as stated pryer only shifts the source of emmisions and does nothing to resolve the poblem.

  • Carl

    Nn, And don’t forget the energy and co2 cost of making and then disposing of those toxic batteries…. i know that all hybrids will have the same cost including the more efficient diesel hybrids that will be coming out in a couple of years but it would be more honest to include that cost when comparing petrol hybrids to diesels…. even so the modern diesels are still kicking ars*

  • Carl

    Eyma Teapot, original name made me look twice…LOL… you must be british with a name like that… and you also write common sense, it’s a shame TP can’t see he’s floggying a dead horse with that ugly, expesive and not so green Prius!!!

  • Eyma Teapot

    Wise words Carl. Diesels are kicking Arse. And when i Test drove and subsequently purchased a 1.6 common rail turbo deisel recently, i’ll be honest, the effect on the enviroment had little to do with my decision. The remarkable fuel economy and the the impressive performance from the perky little engine were the winning factors. So why would you buy a prius sadly lacking in these departments and know better on mother nature either?…..Mmmm TP

  • FORD

    TP has lost the green race, you one make lover, sticking up for your little toymota’s, it’s so cute awwwwwwwwwwwwww..

  • Wheelnut

    what gives? for the past couple of weeks on CA; once someone made a off topic comment on a particular blog we stayed off topic and ignored the car for the remainder of the blog

    Now it seems that even though a “lude” off topic comment was made that we have somehow managed to get back on to the topic and what’s worse is the fact that the topic is about a bloody prius..

  • No Name

    TP – don’t me wrong mate I appreciate all the efforts that all manufacturers are doing. The Prius is a good car and well worth buying, but overall it not quite as green as we think or are told. It still burns fossil fuels and petrol don’t go as far as diesel, so expect an explosion of diesel hybrids shortly. cheers TP

  • Eyma Teapot

    Thanks Carl. I am not British but there is some Irish in my blood somwhere. I would rather coffee to tea. The name Eyma teapot cmes from the nursery ryme “i’M a little tea pot”. Also, i named a gold fish Eyma teapot once and it lived for years so i thought it could be a good omen. Stupid i know.

  • Carl

    ET, i don’t think it’s stupid i’ve got a three year old son that loves and makes me sing that song to him so i’ve got a vested intrest in not thinking it’s stupid!!!LOL

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    what about LPG mate?
    since you dont want to endulge into our oil stocks.

    LPG is clean/green and cheaper to run a large car on it than what you would run your prius on petrol.

    oh thats right toyota dont do LPG so it must be bad

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Yeah thats why I plumped for BF Falcon ute with LPG only…done in house on factory floor!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Babe they just didn’t get it……12 days

  • Carl

    An LPG hybrid, Falcon, Commodore or Aurion built here and god forbid even exported……makes too much sense for the nut jobs runnig our car makers….so it’ll never happen!!!

  • Carl

    Wheelnut, We don’t know how big or tuff you are so we did’nt want to step on your toes by flirting with BM for very long and also giving TP a hard time with this prius is just too much fun!!!!LOL

  • No Name

    Hi Bav Miss – just announced the Aurion can outrun a Veyron. You’re here missy. tyoes Bavarian Missile in google last night…you know what came up, yep you in the pedal cars..Whaheey. Keep smiling kidda

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha..yep Im here!

    Of course it can No Name….I guess if I had my pick it would be the Aurion at the moment cause Im already on the edge,I need to calm down.

    Hey Carl…..I know how big..Wheelnut was chatting to me on the phone when he said that,its really going to be weird we think when Im there with him at Easter……and if we go quiet I guess you know Ill be less frustrated by Good Friday {I fly in to Adelaide late evening Thursday} ….Dont expect to hear from us Friday,I give you the tip….Oh and Wheelnut had me at hello..

  • FORD

    Is this true, Aurion faster than Bugatti that means the magical number 410km an hour if you had your window down a little, the tissue box, fluffy seat covers, bowler hats and cardigans would just fly out, no good man if keeping up with appearances….

  • Carl

    BM…LOL… lets hope Wheelnut has eaten all his spinach it sounds like he’s goin to need it!!!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Im ringing him soon for PS……he knows he needs his spinach,but he also knows what I need ,more….sigh!!!! Sucks to be Scorpio….

  • Wheelnut

    I do; I do; I do….

  • No Name

    Ooooh Wheelnut put the tongue away mate you might just tread on it. Spinach didn’t popeye eat that stuff..Hig hig gig gig.

    awwww its lovely

  • Wheelnut

    He did but I think that Roger Ramjets Proton Energy Pill would be alot easier to swallow.

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha…..you’ll need more than that.

  • http://impreza dlr1

    Perhaps some people need a cold shower, you’re making others envious.

    As for some other comments… why is the Prius a petrol/electric hybrid and not diesel electric? 80% of the million or so Toyota hybrids sold worldwide are sold in the US and Japan. The US as you nay know has yet to really take diesel passenger cars seriously. A petrol hybrid is an easier marketing proposition in a market that is still dominated by V6 and V8 gasolene vehicles.

    As for economy… don’t we all know that these hybrids are more efficient in stop start city type traffic, not highway cruising. In virtually any type of free flowing traffic most small diesels will pull better numbers. But not when your sitting on a road crawling along at less than 10km/h. So horses for courses. If you dont drive much in the city or congested environments dont buy a hybrid! Your moneys spent better elsewhere.

    And as for an LPG prius?? where do you put the tank?

    Styling? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I’m not a lover of it, a wagon version would seem more practical. But if the badge on the front said citroen no body would say a thing because that sort of styling is almost expected. Maybe its a tall poopy thing?

  • http://impreza dlr1

    or even a tall poppy thing hahaha

  • Andrew M

    dlr1,
    thats right mate.
    in stop start driving the prius would shine.
    on hwy or flowing traffic the diesels would eat it for breakfast. also i would assume you couldnt just drive a prius through the city for too long as it would need a good run to put a good charge in the batteries.
    either way even if you consider the combined official figures as a means of comparison, there are some small diesels that can match or even beat the prius even when factoring city driving. and further to that when the calculate the “combined” city/hwy figures it heavily favours city driving.
    wouldnt most assume it was the actual average between worst and best?
    i dont know how they come up with their averages but in some cases it seems to be calculated on more like 90% city and 10% hwy.
    oh and just put the LPG tank where the fuel tank is

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha…I dont know Dlr1 maybe you got it right the first time…….will try and curb the frustration level Im guessing it will be a real GOOD FRIDAY though…

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    The Prius is faster then a Veyron….

    Cheers
    “the new Hoff”

  • Andrew M

    NM, (re. the new hoff)

    i will only agree with you on that if you sing “jump in my car”
    only then will the prius be faster

  • golfschwein

    It’s a tall poopy thing!

  • Andrew M

    yep he is right golf.

    it is definately a “poopy” looking thing

  • Wheelnut

    Thanks Carl. And you’re right taking the p–s out of TP and his comments is fun.. because it’s just so easy.

  • JW

    If you ask me, Diesel hybrids just are not right.

    The diesel engine characteristic is low down torque in comparison to petrol. However, a hybrid powertrain already has an electric engine for that. This will mean if won’t be as appropriate as a petrol engine at higher speeds.

    Furthermore, refinement is a big trump card for hybrid powertrains, and a diesel would just ruin that.

  • Carl

    JW,Taller gears for higher speeds and problem solved anyway not long before Peugeot and VW bring out their diesel hybrids and then we’ll see who’s right and who’s wrong!!!

  • TP

    Eyma Teapot you retard, do some research, a simple google search will come up with 1000s of credible sources which indicate Diesel uses more oil to produce. Hell anyone with HALF A BRAIN would realise there is a reason behind Diesel costing more. Obviously you dont have half a brain, just another biased idiot who thinks Diesels will save the day…despite fundamentally failing on the most urgent issue we face RE cars, oil consumption.

  • TP

    And JW good point, electric engines have torque from the word go… so what you will have with a Diesel hybrid is a great bottom end but a completely dead top end! Besides hybrids are merely a stepping stone to fully electrics, what would be the point in manufacutrers such as Toyota in undergoing R&D for it over many years, when by the time its implemented full electrics will be around. Doesnt make sense in anyone language…. especially when you factor in Diesels use more oil to produce and despite emitting les CO2, emmit other far harmful things which have been directly linked to cancer.

  • TP

    3rd post in a row…

    Andrew.M LPG would be far more viable for consumers then Diesel with a hybrid, would be simple to implement, cheaper and despite consuming more fuel (gas), there is less pressure on those reserves, and besides it would only be for a short period while full electrics are implemented!

    P.S A lengthy post regarding Diesels and their emmissions (quotes added) is awaiting moderation.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Dlr1 said ……..Perhaps some people need a cold shower, you’re making others envious.

    are we still talking batteries…boring.

    So I take it we can have that cold shower together Dlr1…..
    we had planned that anyway!….

  • http://aca Bilstein

    Toyota is a kick arse company, especially that of GM and Ford.

    Toyota will also be the fist company to introduce a diesel hybrid through it’s Hino range of trucks and will be available in Oz about mid year or there abouts.

    That should put to rest this diesel/hybrid arguement : a hybrid diesel so will love to see the arguement now – fools.

    GO Toyota

  • TP

    Haha now Diesel will be bad. Although I still remain unchanged, Diesel hybrid isnt the way, at least for passengers…. petrol engine with LPG would be interesting though, in terms of running costs, Id think it would be extremely cheap. Why dont they do it?

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    TP….agree with you about hybrids being a stepping stone to full electric. I have said it will happen and Toyota have invested huge dollars and time on it. Diesel is only a short term fix below hybrid.

  • Carl

    All of these hybrid technologies are interim measures until hydrogen becomes mainstream or even mandatory but even then some people will want hydrogen fuel cell cars and others will not like the quiet life less electric car and will want the old fashioned internal combustion engine running on hydrogen….. that doesn’t mean that one of those choices is right and the other one wrong it just means we are not all the same!!! and thank god for that!! The same goes for diesel v petrol hybrids.

    So if you like petrol hybrids then good on you just try and push for LPG compatible engines don’t let them get away with making you buy the most expensive and polluting fuel option like Toyota does!!!

  • http://aca Guess Who aka Guess Who

    Carl … lets get something straight here and broaden that weak mind of yours – many manufactuers including Ford, GM, Nissan, Mercedez Benz and BMW (Honda already in the game) are all now coming online with hybrid technology

    AM I WRONG … NO !!

    However, the difference is – Toyota is the leading company when it comes to hybrid tech by a country mile.

    That said … i wonder why more and more other manufactuers are now jumping on the hybrid wagon that Toyota has been the most influencial of all at.

    Lets put it this way – if all the other manufactuers would have seen a more viable ‘current’ solution then they would have jumped at it just to prove Toyota wrong, but NO … instead – they join the fray aswell.

    Gee … i wonder why !!

    And you know what freak – that’s the REALITY of it all so cope it sweet.

    NOW … instead of going against Toyota in the game, they’re all trying to catch them.

    In summary … according to your own opinion about Toyota pursuing the most polluting option of all – i believe you missed GM, Ford, Nissan, Honda, Mercedes Benz and BMW just to name a few.

    cheers

    ps – if you are supporter of any of those companies then i expect you to be critising and frowning upon them aswell and if you don’t then you are a fairdinkum hyprocrite… PURE & SIMPLE.

  • Phill

    Geet device in testing has returned 300% better fuel economy with little or no reduction in power.other tests show no carbon emissions,2-3% more oxygen coming from the exhaust than going in and exhaust gas temp the same as ambiant.Thats real green tech and its runs on 80% water

  • Phill

    A big multinational car company like toyota could develope 500%+ better fuel economy easy.But there mates the big mutinational oil comanys wouldn’t like that.

  • http://aca Guess Who aka Guess Who

    Phil – those mates of the national oil companies include every other manufactuer in the world.

    FACT : GM/Ford clowns are only jealous that Toyota leads the hybrid race otherwise it would be te greatest current achievement going … PERIOD !!

    GM and Ford have got nothing on Toyota for hybrid tech although they trying with rigor.

    Correct me if i am wrong but hasn’t GM been making with loud noises and promoting themselves in recent months at motorshows when it comes to Hybrids and plug-ins yet the same clowns who critise Toyota seem to be somewhat reserved of passing the same judgement towards The General … why is that !!

    It wouldn’t happen to be because Toyota is screwing GM and Ford in the arse something cronic would it !!

    SORE LOSERS.

    OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA !

  • Carl

    i don’t reply to cowards that hide behind a made up name and dish out abuse….. i payed cash for my yaris so i”ll f*cken criticise Toyota all i bl**dy well want

  • No Name

    Hey Carl don’t bite mate, people like Guess Who make savage personal castigations due to their own low level intelligence. I don’t have a clue why they feel it necessary to insult people al the time. Seem they are not capable of having a reasoned argument without lowering the tone to their own level.

  • Carl

    Hey No Name, i’ve cooled down i just don’t like to be insulted just because i think differently to someone else especially when my experience with Toyota isn’t what Toyota claimed it would be!!!!

  • Phill

    Toyota,Ford,GM,who cares which corp developes it.I didn’t just mean Toyota.I have said before the best build quality and reliabiliy in the world.But with them being the No1 car maker in the world, s eams toyota would be a good place to start at developing a new system

  • Carl

    Nn, From now on i won’t lower myself to that sort of level even if it’s all this type of person understands as far as i’m concernerd if someone want’s a reply from me they can ask for it in a civil manner or i’ll will just ignore them….. even though i learn more from people who think differently from me than people who agree with me all the time, there’s nothing worth learning from cave men!!!!

  • http://aca Guess Who aka Guess Who

    Boo hoo Carl girl … most of the world fairdinkum fedup with the fact that Ford and GM are not what they are soppose to be. I brought my Camry Sportivo cash and is exactly what i expected – a good quality everyday car that is reliable, dependable and gives me no grieve.

    Oh yeah – i note you carn’t answer my spill about hybrids because it’s ALL BLOODT TRUE.

    You are a CLOWN … PERIOD !!

    ps … don’t become a bad sport like most Holden/Ford jokers when they get set straight.

  • No Name

    Hey Guess who – just go look at the Toyota dominance, look at a used car website, they all give approximate numbers of makers cars for sale in the drop down lists. You’ll see Toyota are down below the likes of Ford and Holden, go to a UK site and Toyota are way behind in numbers. This tto me is a good indication, albeit rough, of the volume of each makers cars purchased. Nah Toyota aren’t leaders, yes they might be profitable but not yet true market leaders.
    Before you ask I’m not a Ford or GM person i’ll buy whatever I fancy and suits me better. Current cars a GM Vectra and a Peugeot.

  • http://aca Guess Who aka Guess Who

    Noname … if that’s the best you got then you are a sad, sad person.

    2006 Toyota sales – 66 000 ahead of Holden
    2007 Toyota sales – 90 000 ahead of Holden

    So far this year if Toyota keeps pace with the first two months – 100 000 ahead of Holden.

    Makes you look like d8ckhead when i put like that.

    Oh yeah – and to really tear the hearts out of the Yank-wanks, Toyota just won 2 of the 3 Nascar series this weekend in Atlanta.

    * Came 1st in the Craftsman Trucks (Kyle Busch). Infact … Toyota has won 3 of 3 this year alone with a 1-2-3-4 finish in the first round.

    * Kyle Busch in his Toyota lead 142/160 laps of the 2nd Tier Nationwise NASCAR until a shredded tyre retired him … damn it, because it would have been a Toyota clean sweep otherwise

    * and Toyota’s Kyle Busch and Tony Stewart from Joe Gibbs Racing just finished 1-2 in the 1st Tier NASCAR Sprint Series making it 2 from 3 for Toyota this weekend on the very home turf of the American Trio …. oooch !!

    So far this year – Toyota has been on the Podium 3 from 4 attempts this year alone in the NASCAR Sprint Series making them the most talked about of all. Not bad for only thier second year in a race that has always only be raced by the locals.

    So lets put it this way dude … i will walk away and enjoy the rest of my week now because not only did Toyota slaughter Holden and Ford in our local sales but are still 2nd largest in the US with Crysler and Ford toppled and chasing down GM all while stirring a frenzy in the American NASCAR series.

    OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA

    Cheers

    ps i’m outta here because i have much work to be done around the house this week before heading out to the Qantas Museum in Longreach.

  • dlr1

    No Name, using used car listing data to determine market dominance is hardly accurate. Perhaps their owners are more satisfied (unlike some BM) and keep their cars longer before selling them, where as other makes’ owners sell them more frequently. And used car data is more reflective of volumes sold in past years. ie if the average new car buyer trades up after 3 years then the used car market is more reflective of what was sold 3 years ago.

  • Carl

    Hey who wanka or what ever your name is , you might feel tough as a cyber bully but if we ever met face to face you would’nt have the guts to take me on!!!!

    I’m 6’4 120kgs and jog ten k’s 6 times a week also i’ve got a son with cerebral palsy, 14 year old and a 3 year old to in my fulltime care…… that’s my defenition of a real man not some wanka that will run at the first sign of Trouble like you…… so be carefull who you try to bully you pathetic little man!!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha……satisfaction I have no doubt about Dlr1 its the frustration now thats HARD to deal with…..

  • tonyn

    i cant believe another toyota fight!

    In all seriousness, a prius is just s “feel good” car that is supposed to be helping the environment.

    All that has happened is the world has got suckerd into the hybrid way of thinking.

    If they did there research, they would find diesel is cleaner, can be reusable and is a more efficent way of “green” driving. Greenfleet even recognises this!

    The batteries in these are terrible for the environment and even honda cant work out a soloution!

  • http://aca Rodrega

    Carl : i’m ex – SAS and current TRG.

    Take me on

    And i’m a Toyota driver

    satisfaction indeed

  • http://aca Rodrega

    If the Prius is a feel good car then that explains why it sells in numbers.

    Agree with Guess Who (presumably Dingo)with his Hybrid comeback against Carl & Phil.

  • tonyn

    rodrega,
    because everyone is trying to get on the green bandwagon, if you actually REASEARCHED the car it isnt that green at all, its the same reason why a lot of cars sell in numbers…. they follow the pack!

    Just because it sells in numbers means its good!

    Maybe you guys should do some research on this car, the “greenfleet” guide, which the government use actually rates VW golf TDi 1.9 ahead of the prius for emmissions, and if you have driven the golf you would buy one over the prius, much nicer! and cheaper, why doesnt it sell? because VW doesnt pay every celeb and government to drive one that is why!

  • tonyn

    hey BM i get no emails anymore? where is the love??? hehehehe…… how are you?

  • tonyn

    and guess who you arent mentioning toyotas nascar performance last year, they didnt even make it into the finals did they? or is that forgotten how bad they were last year???

  • Carl

    Hey Roddregdrinka; You can shove your acronym “title” up your arse little man!!! or shim whatever you are????

  • Carl

    Toyota’s got a great F1 car too….LOL!!!!!!

  • http://aca Rodrega

    We now who the small man is don’t we Carl. Judging by Guess who’s spill it seems Toyota’s Nascars are good aswell. I see no GM or Ford entry into F1, do you.

    Tonyn, Toyota doesn’t pay celebs or governments to drive the Prius either. If you believe different then post a link that proves me wrong and if you don’t then we know who is clutching at straws otherwise.

  • Carl

    It might suprise you to hear that i only care what my loved ones think of me!!!! not some goon on the web…LOL!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey Tonyn…..Ive said the same thing before on another Toyota blog..Emails well I send them to you! I cc every one into whats happening babe you know that.You suffer from what Andrew M has…arrrr don’t check your email?hahaha

    Wheres the love,in Adelaide!Na……still love all you guys as well.

    Carl babe your more of a man than he could ever be,I have a great deal of admiration for dads like you, plus I doubt he is. Hes clearly in a fantasy land just look at what he is ranting on about.

  • tonyn

    you cant tell me all the celebrities go out and buy them because they want one and think they look good? your kidding……. and toyota offer huge subsidies to governments that drive them so dont kid yourself thinking that governments are buying them at full price?

    I worked for toyota for a long time so i know the ins and outs!

    As for F1, i wouldnt spout about toyota performance, it is appauling! and of what benefit is it to ford or GM to go into F1? at least nascar and V8 sort of resemble what they sell?

  • http://aca Rodrega

    Tonyn, i have never followed Nascar but i did take some time to check out the results for myself. Last year was Toyota’s first season in the race and true to Guess Who’s (presumably Dingo)statement it appears Toyota is running hot taking titles in each Nascar event. In 4 events this year so far and a qualifying race for the Daytona 500 Toyota has 2 x 1-2 finishes aswell as a 3rd and 4th backed by 3 (from 3) straight wins in the Craftsman Truck events. Good effort in American racing on American turf. I’m sure you will quickly forget how good Toyota is now.

  • tonyn

    BM i have checked my email i dont get them very often? i havent had one for weeks!

    All good as long as everything is good your end!

    I have had a big couple of weeks, been here there and everywhere, ill email and tell you all about it! have had some cool stuff making an apperance in my driveway of late again!

  • Carl

    As far as Ford and GM or any other car maker i’m not in love with any of them… i’ve owned Merc’s, toyota’s, Fords, Holdens, Vw’s, mazda’s, Volvo’s, a BMW, both daewoo and hyunbai, a mitsubushi and a few more that were obviously forgetable!!!!!

    I like to own different cars because i don’t beleive one car maker can make the all round perfect car and yes i’m also a swinging voter so as far as i’m concerned loyalty to one brand is as dumb sheep!!!

  • tonyn

    now toyota has been running in craftsman for some years, so wins should come to them there, and i dont discredit toyota that they are doing well this year, but all im saying is you toyota guys are quick to rubbish something when it has early faults yet seem to forget toyotas shortcomings.

  • Carl

    Thanx BM, when my 3 year old falls asleep on my lap or gives me a cuddle that’s when life could’nt get any better!!!

    Enjoy Adelaide!! I’ll de there for one night on the 22nd it’s my first visit but i’ve heard good things..just hope the wheather cools down a bit.

  • http://aca Rodrega

    Tonyn, no link no prove. Lets put it anotherway and probably the rightway. Celebs are purchasing hybrids to improve thier own image not companies like Toyota giving them away. Right now, the Australian government is trying to offer Toyota huge subsidies to biuld the Camry hybrid locally with 2 Australian diplomats visiting Toyota Headquarters only last week not to mention what the American government has thrown at it. I also belief GM has been the hardest hit with the new CAFE laws that will come into effect. Sense confirmation, GM has had to cancel projects not to mention a huge dampening of Holden exports to the States.

  • Realcars

    Commandos driving Camrys. What is the world coming too!!!!

    I thought they all drove Hummers?

  • http://aca Rodrega

    Tonyn – lets get something straigt here. For years people have pulled the micket out of Toyota for not racing or producing Performance cars and now that they are beginning to show success within thier latest challenges – the same twits like yourself still come up with crap.

    This is Toyota’s 5th season in the Craftsman Truck series with limited success in the thier first two years. But … in 2006 and 2007 they won back to back manufactuers titles and so far this year have won all 3 races todate with a 1-2-3-4 finish in the first round backed by a 1-2 finish in the second and a 1-3 in the third which was this weekend in Atlanta.

    NASCAR events they won 1-2 in the Duels 150 qualifying race for the Daytona 500 backed by a 3-4 placing the race itself. Dipped out a bit in the 2nd and 3rd events but hit hard this weekend with another 1-2 win for Joe Gibbs Racing/Toyota from the 4th of 36 scheduled races.

    This year, Toyota has been making a noise and winning not to mention the frenzy that Joe Gibbs Racing/Toyota’s Kyle Busch has been stirring. If it wasn’t for his blown tyre incident in the 2nd tier Nationwide Nascar event Toyota would have won all three NASCAR events this weekend at Atlanta with Kyle Busch winning the Craftsmans Trucks, 2ND tier Nationwide (blown tyre) and 1st Tier Sprint Cup Series. Fact is – Toyota is winning in America this year against the Americans and while some hate it with a passion – others love it !!

    Rodrega – read up about Joe Gibbs Racing. They left Chevy last year after 15 years and have been doing better then ever so far this year with Kyle Busch and Tony Stewart running hard while Danny Hamlin still needs some tuning. All in all … so far so good for Toyota in NASCAR and by all means are predicted to run hard all season although Carl Edwards for Ford is running strong aswell.

  • Carl

    Realcars, LOL!!!!!!!

  • Realcars

    Thou must worship at the alter of Toyota or be chastised by toyota lovers for eternity.

    Rambo types in their toyota widebody camrys.
    Rodrega sounds like one mean Toyota lovin hombre!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Dido..very good Realcars.

    Hey Tonyn do tell,do tell…things as well as can be expected.

    Carl Im pretty loyal to the M logo but not really on anything else.Like you I too have had a wide range of cars and prefer to see what I think is best value for money ,not be badge loyal. Hell most manufactures make some form of crap eventually,Prius being up there as a well marketed enviro friendly “youll go to heaven if you drive one of these” but boring pieces of crap ever marketed by Toyota..I mean just look at how many Americans buy them.Nuff said!

    Carl thats what matters more than anything else in life fulfilment from the little things ,

    Mind you fulfilment can be found in large things too,which is you guess I wont be catching up with you on your one day visit to Adelaide when Im there too .But hey babe you have fun cause I KNOW we will.

  • Phill

    Burning Oil produces,per joule 15% less Carbon Dioxide than coal.So a car recharged off the grid produces more Carbon dioxide.Also coal is the biggest contributer to greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.There’s some facts for you TP

  • Carl

    BM, i’ve booked a SPA Suite for the night and once our three year old goes to sleep the wife and i probrably won’t get to see much of Adelaide after that!!!

  • Andrew M

    im not in on this one and have only read the first post from AKA since i last read from this thread so i will comment on that one and leave because this is getting real old!!!!!!!!!

    QUOTE AKA…………..
    “I brought my Camry Sportivo cash and is exactly what i expected – a good quality everyday car that is reliable, dependable and gives me no grieve.”

    now there is a porky pie right there Dingo!!!!!

    mate how did you go with the 2 recalls that affected that generation of camrys?
    i mean if the list of problems with that model that i am about to list are exactlly what you expected then you musnt hold a high opinion of toyota. i know of 2 of these models in the family and one of them was a 4cyl manual sportivo camry just like yours
    1. recall for checks of reported splits in the fuel tanks
    2. recall for replacement of wiring harness causeing various electrical faults from headlights blacking out to
    3. seat fabric pills and is purely of poor quality
    4. window seals stretch and eventually break causing need for replacement
    5. noisy engine pulleys at 50,000 k’s
    6. RHS tail light sticks out from the line of the boot lid 10mm whereas the LHS sits flush (have you noticed that one yet?)
    i think there was something else worth a mention too but cant remember.
    but cars had all of those problems except for the noisy pulleys but that was because the sportivo was tarded for an Xtrail before it the other one started to exhibit the noise.
    so they are hardly perfect
    in contrast my falcon has had zero recalls on it and only a couple of minor things that i wanted fixed under warrenty during when i had it in for a service. now dont take me out of context because im not saying fords quality has it over toyota, but rather expressing how my falcon has delivered me trouble free motoring too

    and dont come back with gen111 piston slapping this and that because its about time you came up with a new argument besides piston slapping, toyota sales or opiniative surveys

  • Bavarian Missile

    Sounds like a plan Carl……Im not planning to see much just take the day as it comes…..pardon the pun.hahaha

  • TP

    Phill…

    A. Ive said the scarcity of Oil is the big issue here, not emissions…. Diesels uses something like 15-25% more oil, which is a step backwards in where we need to be going given the decline in oil and rising fuel prices. Hypothetically if there was a shift to Diesel, given its greater need for oil, prices would rise sharply, simple Supply and Demand.

    B. Per “joule”, wtf? Anyway whats more important is how far a given volume of coal can get you compared to diesel, if the coal to produce enough power for a car to run is 15% longer then a diesel with the equivalent volume of fuel, then its in fact the same impact! I would think it doesnt take that much coal to provide enough power for a battery to charge, which only takes an hour or so from what Ive heard in trial electrics.

  • Andrew M

    ha ha ha did i just spot a double identy get caught out a few posts back where “rodrega” replied to “rodrega”???
    ha ha ha
    just remember to change the screen name AKA/ Dingo/ Mikka /Rodrega (and the rest)
    when you try to pull that one

  • TP

    Andrw.M give up looking like an idiot, Toyota are more reliable then Ford… DEAL WITH IT. Your arguing a losing battle, even if your not lying about your own cars reliability, its a sample of …..1. Very statistically relevant!!! The fact is, on avg, Toyota produce better vehicles in terms of trouble free motoring.

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    the time for batteries to charge isnt indicative of how much charge is in them or how long a certain battery may be able to run for.
    it comes down to the battery itself and the charging technique

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    i wasnt taliking to you and i know you dont work on the toyota assembly line so dont take it so personally and butt out.
    it was a reply to Dingo who claims to have had “no grieve” when we had conversed on the subject of his camry once before.

    so once again butt the hell out and pull your head back into your red, itchy, wool knitted cardigan

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahahaha…..”wool knitted cardigan”

    Yep mes of the same opinion too Andrew,Dingo strikes again.Talk about schizophrenic…..

  • Phill

    TP – I agree Toyota are probobly more reliable than Ford,Holden and any other brand but there all FWD and boring as bat shit.When the new sports models come out I might change my opinion

  • Andrew M

    and once agin for the record people,
    did i say ford had a better quality track record than toyota?
    no i said quite the oppisite didnt I?

    i even flagged it with dont take me out of context like you usually do and they/he still did ha ha ha

  • Realcars

    Hip Hip Hoorah!!!! Pirus is here to save the world using 0.5l/100klms less than a turbo diesel hatch.

    …and to prove your environmental credentials Toyota excelled themselves in making it one of the ugliest cars on the road just to show that your environmental passion is all consuming.

    Buy a cardigan, get one of those pie hats,grow a beard or don’t shave under your arms,smoke a pipe and get down to your Toyota dealer and save the world.

  • No Name

    And Toyota produce the LS 600h. ‘h’ = hybrid. Yep thats a 5.0litre V8 Hybrid, Toyotas best bit of Hypocracy yet.

  • Andrew M

    im also assuming this is a typo………

    “80 kilometers per charge”

    i mean surely they can do better than that.
    how many of these new batteries would they implement in such a vehicle?
    80kms left to go is when the fuel warnings start in my vehicle

  • Realcars

    TP where did u get this idea that it takes more crude to produce equal amounts of Diesel and Petrol.

    Diesel is less refined and Diesel engines operate at far higher compression ratio giving more bang for your buck i.e more efficient.

    As far as pollution goes large particle pollution is the only parameter Diesels “were” worse at. This has been overcome by better design/ more complete combustion and particle filters.

    The only reason Pirus exists is that Toyota wanted to get the jump on everyone else with “Green credentials” as they knew how this perception would go well for their company in general.

    The Pirus is basically a clever marketing exercise to grab environmental favour and extend the Toyota Halo.

  • http://aca Guess Who Could Be Anyone

    Andrew – with 72 000km’s on the clock only one issue with a window seal and a recall with regards to the headlight dimmer switch but no problem that i experianced.

    FACT : All cars and all manufactuers have issues but some have more then others and others more again while Holden and Ford have a long term renouned reputation for having amoung the worst quality related issues of all yet you are so ignorant and try and defend it … Fairdinkum clown – your stupidity is just killing me.

    Why defend cars that are widely renouned for poor quality and unreliable motoring because you have me stuffed trying to understand why !!

    Again – refer to the quality surveys that i have printed and you will note that Holden and Ford cnsistantly rank as the worse performers of all… AM I WRONG – NO !!

    Seriuosly … what more do i need to say because the fact is – your spill counts for absolutely nothing against the findings of JD Powers, RAC and most of all the Australian survey that is conducted by the manufactuers for the manufactuers.

    Do yourself a wee favour and go and have another peep at the dismal performance from Holden and Ford – they truely reek poor quality, they really do !!

    And don’t come back at me with those claims of dodgy surveys or that you have had no problems with your Falcon because it’s crap … PERIOD !!

    Falocns and Commodores are poor grade, unreliable vehicles and always have been.

    Take a look at the current model Camry/Aurion for instance -no problems or recalls but can we say the same about the Commodore … NO !! because todate it has been riddled with faults just like all the other models.

    Oh yeah – now tell me the truth about your Falcon – Radiator, rad hoses, injectors, head gasket, pulleys, electrical gremlins, squeeky doors, boot or bonnet, exhaust bushes, fading interior trim, whining gear box, door lock actuators to name a few yet YOU tell me that you don’t have an issue – get ya hand of it because fact is – Falcons and Commodores are poorly engineered cars … PERIOD !!

    Oh yeah – and ALL the surveys consistantly and constantly prove the same while Toyota plays top field … as always.

    I can see what’s gonna happen in the US now … GM and Ford will rally to have Toyota ousted from NASCAR just like they did with Nissan in Oz. In reality, GM and Ford are not hard to beat. Remember the days when Jaguar and BMW raced in Australia – beat the locals comfortably. Fast forward to when the Sierra and GTR were imported to race and again – beat the locals.

    In the WRC and our local ARC, Ford has never done any good while Today despite only being thier second season, Toyota is beating the Yanky locals at thier own game of NASCAR while completely ruling the Truck Series at the same …. Oooch !!

    But then again – i guess the only time they can shine is when it’s only them on the track and no other … WEAK !!

    OH yeah – just to remind you … Holden and Ford constantly keep ranking last in the Australian quality surveys… ooops, maybe i have already sad that about a dozen times.

    oooh … and please answer this If Holden and Ford are supposedly so great – explain why thier sales and popularity have rapidly declined in recent years reaching new found lows and that’s not even mentioning the sh*t fight they have got themselves into in the US.

    Declining customer base, mass retrenchments, mass losses, no firm/solid direction all while Toyota just keeps kicking arse with thier steel claded boots especially when the last standing grace for the American trio – NASCAR – is being erroded beneath them aswell…. oooow : that would hurt !!

    At the end of the day, unlike GM (Holden) and Ford – the BIG T has got sh*t loads inthier favour with thier fleet, popularity, reputation, profitability, customer satisfaction, quality surveys, motivation and solid direction all in thier side.

    On the other hand – what has GM (Holden) and Ford got …. let me think …. thinking …. still thinking … nup, nothing coming to mind !!

  • TP

    Phil that boring as batshyte FWD beat the XR6 around a track… in 60-100km/h acceleration… and beats the Falcon in 0-100km/h. What does make the Falcon?

    Realcars I cant link it here, do a google search…. plenty of information for you

  • http://aca Guess Who Could Be Anyone

    Real cars … how does it feel to have cardigan cars beating your beloved Holdens and Fords. But then again – maybe the cardigan cars are infact Holden and Ford.

    Yaris – faster then a Fiesta or Barina
    Corolla – faster then a Viva and matches the Focus
    Camry – faster then an Epica or Mondeo (except turbo)
    Aurion – do i need to say
    Kluger – faster then a Captiva and matches a Territory
    Hilux – more rugged then a Rodeo or Ranger
    Prado – Holden and Ford carn’t compete
    Landcruiser – Holden and Ford carn’t compete
    ISF – will be a much, much better machine then any FPV/HSV
    LS460/600hl – Holden and Ford carn’t compete.

    oh yeah – in the this great, wide, rugged, dusty, humid and unforgiving country of ours … who rules the rugged nature of the land – TOYOTA of course because those cardigan cars from Holden and Ford simply just can not ccpe with the conditions.

    So … in all seriuosness – who are the cardigan cars here !!

    HOLDEN AND FORD because they are slow, carn’t sell, poor quality and no Farmer, Tradie, Heavy Industry or Miner wants one for the life of them.

    Gee wiz freaks … It appears after all that, Holden and Ford are infact THE CARDIGAN CARS. Better go and grab those wooley pull-overs and feet warmers because Toyota is kicking arse with thier big whooping Steel Plated Boots.

    oh yeah – and who beat Chevy and Ford this weekend in the NASCAR series … TOYOTA of course

    Boo hoo new found cardigan wearers

    OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA !!

  • FORD

    TP and that puppet Guess Who Could Be Anyone, can seriously F**k off, you are some piece of work, THERE IS NO ONE HERE AS STUPID, JUST ABOUT ALL YOUR POST’S MAKES NO SENSE…

    OH WHAT A D**K HEAD !!!

  • Chaser

    I beg to differ matey, ^^

    there posts make absolute sense and without having to stoop to a level such as yourself, with proper explanations, terminology and key events highlighted… makes perfect sense to me.

    Well put and well said – bout time too :D

    Awesome read (last couple of posts)

    oh and BM glad to see you abide by that promise to zip it on seeing the IS-Fs’ review video.

  • http://aca Guess Who Could Be Anyone

    Ford – that sounds like a typical response from a loser just like the Yanky NASCAR wanks tonight and those wimpering Holden and Ford clowns when Nissan killED the aspirations of the local bogons.

    Boo Hoo – how a big cry princess.

    OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA !!

  • FORD

    Chaser, Awesome read (last couple of posts) you must be what, about 10 years old hahahahahaha :-)

    God save your soul, keep warm tonight, please keep that cardigan on you may need it…

  • http://aca Guess Who Could Be Anyone

    Ford – i believe you Ford/Holden panzies need the cardigans.

    Holden/Ford freaks … Australia’s new found Cardigan wearers not to mention issue blowers.

    I believe back stabbers would be another accurate description. Run around starting crap but when the battles go south start back stabbing in an effort to rid the competition.

    Holden & Ford = Cardigan girls, tissue blowers and Gutless back stabbers.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Your joking right Chaser what promise……..pfftttt,makes no difference if I take my car on a track or not,although I have plenty of opportunity. Did you watch the M3 around a track…..chalk and cheese.

    Im sure if you have ever driven an M3 you will understand that the chassis under it doesn’t have to be pushed to its limits to have the dynamic appeal it has. Straight line speed,so thats all that matters to you does it.May as well go drive a top door slammer if your after speed. Whether your driving on a track day or doing the GREAT OCEAN ROAD trip the M3 will still feel more of a drivers car than the Lexus….but hey as I said nice try first time around.

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    bavarian – as you would have never driven an IS-F let alone along the Great Ocean Road … how could you possibly even know ??

    Despite the annoying beeping sound, fifth gear found the IS-F a very sporting and enjoyable drive … did they not !!

    You are just making excuses for a car that is possibly going to take it right to the M3 just as Toyota is taking it to the yanks.

    Go to autospies and thier review suggests that the IS-F is very much a match for the M3.

    Nice try trying to convince otherwise.

  • Bavarian Missile

    P i s s off Dingo did I give you permission to talk to me. I was talking to Chaser,and you think you can keep your little charade up with name changes so far Ive put up with your rants since you snuck back on the site after I got you banned from your repulsive personal attacks.

    ……and your wrong about the great ocean road. No of course I haven’t driven an IS-F ..der…….

    My point is I have driven an M3 unlike you thats only had Camrys and cant comment about any performance car or how it drives. If you had eyes and watched both clips you would have seen the differences in the cars styles around the track.

    Well thank you for admitting that the IS-F “is possibly going to take it to the M3″ my point exactly,it doesn’t.Ill check the review out but as Tiff says he was impressed with it,but at no time did he prefer it over the epitome performance car in its league for the last 20 years that every one sets their credentials too …the mighty M3.

    Chaser can reply to this but not you……

  • No Name

    Hiya Bav Missile, Chill babe. here not much point in gettig your dander up over Guess Who. Its deliberate provocation so chill and enjoy the day. We’ve got amazing storms here at the moment 130K plus winds driving rain. God knows how many ships are in the sound sheltering.

    Yeh the IS-F, I actually quite like the look but Tiff Needells drive showed its short coming, I need to look at the vidoe again but the chronic understeer was appalling. Tiff used to be a Saloon car racer so does know his stuff although he was never totally sucessful. I guess if they gave it to Lotus to mess with it could be competative.

    Chill hun chill.xx the Nun

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    Bavarian … you are WRONG !!

    Fifth gear gave the IS-F a very solid review and was rapped with the car …. am i wrong – NO !!

    The fact is Bavarian, each and every comparison all over the world will offer something marginally different because of eachs own preferance, style and car used to driving … am i wrong – NO !!

    oh yeah … is that a pink or purple hanky you perfer to pat dry those sooky peepers of yours.

    Fairdinkum freak … you need to grow up because the fact is – no matter how good or fantastic a product is from Toyota/Lexus – you just hate admitting with a passion that they are mighty fine cars. You are not constructive, just an utter bullsh*t artist.

    While i usually support my comments with published facts n figures, you do little more then rave on with shear crap because that about the limit of your intelligence … PERIOD !!

    ps… pink or purple hanky ??

    oh yeah – i just love it when you fall apart when challenged. I suppose in true Bavarian weak as sh*t style you will now send an email to Alborz while hiding behind everybody else hoping they ‘ll pick you up.

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    What cronic understeer.

    As tiff stated, a grunty, deep V8 noting monster that is very sporting and fun to drive … did he not !!

    And don’t come back at me a say that the M3 is perfect because fact is … it’s not !!

  • No Name

    La La La La La La La.

  • No Name

    sorry meant oversteer. I was thinking of my Barge at the time.

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    Oversteer can be a good thing especially in the fun factor department … am i wrong – NO !!

    And once a driver becomes intouch with his car it will not be a issue.

  • tonyn

    NO ONE here has driven an is-f! so why bring it up! and from what i know from over seas, RS4 and M3 and C63 still spank it???

    This is a typical toyota battle, cant win on the topis so we go to hiluxes, then lexus, then camry, the aurion, hang on…… we still have TRD to bring up!

    TP, what about biodiesel, wont that put pay to making diesel from oil, i know a lot about this subject as i worked ( and am now to a certian degree) with a leading diesel engine manufaturer, wont bio diesel make the VW, BMW, Benz, Citroen, Peugeot and numerous other diesel cars greener than the prius??

    I worked for a honda dealer for years and the biggest coverup in hybrid is the poloution the used bateries will cause to the environment, and there batteries are only good for 8 to 10 years and then there is a horrendus cost in replacing them, so please tell me the real reason this car is a better buy than any of the diesel cars manufactured today????

  • No Name

    Tonyn – see my other comments regarding the VW bluemotion diesels they already are more efficient than the ageing Prius. I not really sure the biosdiesel is the way forward, demand will/does outstrip supply, I’d rather drive a Hydrogen powered car with its limits than a bio diesel, purely due to the destruction of rain forests to clear ground for palm tree plantations. Try searching National Geographic, I’m sure they have done a bit on it.

  • tonyn

    hydrogen is a way forward too, agree totally, i just think people dont know the full facts of hybrids!

    Bio diesel is a good short term soloution, and thats all a hybrid car is too!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Grow up Dingo,what are you twelve?

    If Alborz didn’t think it it a worth while exercise getting rid of you he wouldn’t ,I don’t run the site he does.I simply report to him when idiots like you become off topic to the extreme and then start firing abusive repulsive personal attacks.Wouldn’t surprise me if you were Matthew either. I don’t need help in my replies when it comes to cars……..

    Still supporting abusive men are you,don’t mind hitting the wife.Gee should have got you round here yesterday morning to clean up a broken window after my ex tried to break in at 11.00pm……Hanky,pftttt there is a saying what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Men like you and him never surprise me with your actions.There is no low you won’t go to

    Oh and Dingo…..your the one wrong about the M3,your sheer arrogance towards Toyota astounds me.

  • Frugal One

    If the new Prius does indeed do 150MPG, the improvement will be coming from the battery side of it.

    Its not possible to make a gasoline powerered vehicle in that size and features that does 150MPG.

    So really its going to be a battery powered vehicle with very little use of the ULP side of the equation!

    GM had a similar vehicle more than 10 years ago……

    Cheers,

    F-0

  • No Name

    but I totally agree with Bm on this one, theres no need to be quite so pesonal. For crying out loud its a website to express pinion, nothing more.

  • No Name

    The diesel hybrid thing really depends on what you want as an outcome, if your after zero emissions then neither will suffice as they both use fossil fuels. If your after cheap motoring then th diesel wins by a small margin but that margin is set by a number of things, such as Government policy, fuel prices, manufacturing costs. Toyota aren’t exactly going to give away emission free cars its still business as usual for them.

  • tonyn

    guess who you are a total trouble maker, i havent heard you say anything good about any other manufacturer other than toyota and lexus? so why pick on BM for that?

    Go to a toyota forum and leave the sensible conversation to others.

    You truely showed your colours coming on here as rodrega and then replying to rodrega…..

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    Fairdinkum Bavarian … spare us the drama queen act.

    Lets face it – you come on this site being a gooby clown and all it good until you get challenged. Then … well, don’t the heavens open with tears.

    Was that a pink or purple hanky ??

    ps … have never broken a window or hit a woman in my 33 yrs of life, just don’t appreciate smart arses like yourself that’s all.

    oh yeah – if you report abusive behaviour and idiots then you better smarten up your act and start reporting yourself in the process.

    Another decription for twits like you … hypocrite !!

    Put it this way Wallowing Missile – you know as much as myself i will only have to take 30 seconds of my time to find a list of personal attacks and insults from yourself.

    You see … thats just my very point about your stinken attitude and hyprocritical personality. Your opinions carry no weight or repected by many bloggers and that is a fact.

    Seriuosly Bavarian … GROW UP and stop being a crying twit for once in your life.

    Noname – is just Toyota not giving away emmission free cars or every single automotive manufactuer in the world. Correct me if i am wrong but i believe they are in busines to make money just like every other corporation on the face of earth.

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    Tonyn … don’t you talk. I clearly recall you stating that you drive a Toyota and infact don’t mind Toyota but ever sense have never witnessed a positive response in thier favour ever sense.

    Yeah … true clours alright.

    Lets face it Tonyn – your intelligence is about as limited as that of Wallowing Missiles.

    Better still, while i have a habit of commenting from facts n figures you speak nothing more then unsupported opinions which ususally just happens to be nothing more then garbage.

    the fact is Tonyn – i don’t like crap talk which is why i’m here keeping you clowns in order. If you want a challenge then lets go for because i love it with a passion and you will be yet … another push over for me !!

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    Oh yeah … sensible conversation is when you respect the positive attributes of companies including those advancements from Toyota/Lexus in recent years and not sh*tting on them at any given moment.

    Remember – you said sensible converstaion not me so why don’t you show your true colours and follow your own advice.

    But haa … i believe i will only prove that you are nothing more then just another hyprocrite and that shouldn’t take long.

    ps – what ever colour hanky Wallowing Twit doesn’t want you can have.

  • tonyn

    i dont drive a toyota, last time i drove one was when i was working a a dealership…. so pull your head in.

    I have a australian, european and japanese cars in my shed at the minute and dont dfor a second think that one of them is a toyota, for the money you pay for a toyota you get nothing more than a plain vanilla machine. and as for lexus, let me tell you all there advancments the germans have been playing with for years.

    I admire toyota, they have managed to put a CREDIBLE performer in every catergory, there certainly not the best but they have one.

    What i can stand about toyota is there arrogance towards the car buying public and how they manage to get people to think that there product is the best because it has a toyota badge on it.

    I work in the industry, i buy a new car every 6 to 12 months so i have a fair idea when i comment not just some rubbish you pull of the net or an NRMA report. i have a VW touareg V10, GT falcon (a real one not one of these moden day rubbish ones!) and a VE commodore in my shed, which proves im not completly biased towards ford!

    Mayby before you shoot off the mouth about the IS-F you should drive the M3 and RS4, i have just had a RS4 leave my garage and i still cry at the thought of having to give it back. in my opinion with all wheel drive and v8 power equilivant to is-f the audi should give it a hiding, cant wait to see the comparo!

    Toyota build ok product, i wouldnt turn into a freak, and i think the prius is a load of rubbish designed to make toyota look good when it clearly isnt!

    What gets me is for the money you can buy a toyota or lexus for the other competetors have a better package, but because it is mighty toyota they will buy it. look at TRD, the XR6T offers far more bang for your buck, yet you fail to see that and think im biased!

    For the record, i think id wipe the floor with you on my motoring knowledge, i driven cars you could only ever dream of, i have far bigger asperations of driving something a whole lot better than a toyota, actually, i think i do!

  • Bret

    Dingo,
    Drop the “JD Powers” cherade. Only 22% of the rating even relates to reliabilty.
    And speaking of reliability, a sampling rate of 0.3% of the market hardly rates as reliable data. (yep only 3000 out of 1 million sales)
    Even JD Powers themselves admitted that participation was really too low to get accurate results (but then published them anyway).

    All electric is not the way to go when you have primarily coal fired power generation.

  • Bavarian Missile

    You and my ex have a lot in common.both narcissistic…..get over yourself Dingo..”keeping us clowns in order”Ive never said I haven’t insulted you,most of the time in retaliation BUT I know where the line is you dont,which is why you have had your arse kicked off here before.What is the go with all the name changes.You have no credibility on this site ,just rants and abuse. You want me to find the last comment where you crossed that line?

    Me a drama queen…your the one that clearly doesn’t have any personal development cause all you do is throw insults at people when your cornered. 33 are you ,one wouldn’t have picked that!in 16 years of driving what have you owned too claim soooooo much knowledge on Toyotas and everything else? We would all like to know?

    “Over steer can be a good thing”……hahaha.Ill store that away for when you bring up the next I love FWD Camrys….”Once a driver gets in touch with their car” …so your now saying its the driver that makes a good car not the other way round.pfttttt please.Just for once admit your wrong.M3 is still the epitome,but Im sure Lexus will continue playing catchup.

    Thanks Tonyn and No Name for the support but as you both know I can go head to head with people like this ….

    Love the line on he should drive the M3 or RS4 Tonyn, but I doubt he can drive to the cars potentional anyway!

  • http://aca Guess Who aka Guess Who

    Tonyn – lets get something straight here … Toyota is pulling absolutely nothing over anyones eyes bar the fact that thier marketing department of argueably the best in the world and damn good at adjusting to the ever changing environment unlike GM and Ford who can hardly even put a foot right these days.

    Were you are completely wrong is value for money with exception to Toyota’s higher spec off-road vehicles but even THEY ARE THE BEST AND MOST RUGGED VEHICLES for such duties.

    Any Toyota passenger car, SUV and most off-road examples are not only highly competitive for price but also for modcons, drivetrain output, safety and efficency … AM I WRONG – NO!!

    Yaris, Corolla, Camry, Aurion, RAV4, Kluger, Hilux and Prado are all priced and speced extremely competitive against any of thier competitors while the Prius and Land Cruiser do cost more.

    Talking of Lexus – for what you get with a Lexus they are true luxuries for your dollar of which BMW and Mercedez Benz charge much, much more for but haa … if you are unbias you would have noted that already.

    Also, with a typical Toyota you get a quality car that have proven reliability, dependability and durability not to mention safety. However – look at a typical Holden and it is either a poorly rated Daewoo or an unreliable, unrefined, ruff, gruff and poorly manufactuerd Commodore.

    And better still, you go on about being overpriced yet the fools at Holden are trying to charge inexcess of $125 000 for nothing more then a dated 7.0 HSV (W427)… YEAH RIGHT !!

    Other differences between Holden / Ford and Toyota is consistancy. While the BIG T offers highly competitive products right across thier entire range covering just about every segment with quality cars/SUV’s/people movers/4×4′s/commercials … Holden and Ford exhibit no such traits. Admittedly Ford has a respectable fleet but they are not regarded for thier rugged off-road or commercial ability … are they.

    Holden … well, they are undoubtedly one of the worst brands in Australia. Apart from the Commodore being nothing more then just a Commodore, the Rodeo is nothing to talk about while the rest of thier fleet is nothing but rebadged Daewoo’s

    So not only does Toyota have a broad-spanding fleet satisfying the market on all facets – they are consistantly amoung the leading contenders in each and every segment. And then topple it even further … unlike Holden and Ford – Toyota is also successfully challenging the prestiage luxury market with thier highly renouned and regarded luxury brand – Lexus. That said … the best the likes of Holden can do is come up with a pretend marque like the Statesman. With the addition of TRD, Toyota now also has a gap filler between it’s mainsteam Toyota fleet and Lexus.

    Infact – Toyota is the only company in Australia that is as widely spanced as themselves and all while exhibiting consistancy right across it’s entire range of vehicles ranging from the Yaris through to the V8 Cruiser, right up to the Lexus LS600hl and everything in between.

    After all that said … then Toyota manages to consistantly score strongly in Quality/Customer Satisfaction surveys, report record sales and constant evoloving recognition for thier products.

    I ask … were is Holdens/Ford competitor against the Prado, 70 / 200 series, Prius, Tarago or any example in the Lexus lineup – simple, there isn’t and when they do offer competition, Toyota usually does a better job anyway with an array of surveys published last year alone proving that exact thing.

    Fact is Tonyn … on the grand scale of the market – there is no other company that has the talents to be as wisespread yet consistantly competitive and sucessful as ‘The Big T’ and that is a fact.

    So no matter what market you speak of, Toyota is there with consistantly solid and competitve vehicles no matter what. Talk Holden and you only really refer to the Commodore or HSV and no much different with Ford. However … talk Toyota and the odds are – Toyota/Lexus is mentioned every time no matter the market.

    oh yeah … despite Toyota’s talents stretched right across the entire different segments of the market and that they sell sh8t loads more cars then Holden and Ford (sometimes with thier sales combined on given months) Toyota still manages to engineer a higher quality and more reliable product then that of many competitors.

    So Tonyn … who really has the true automotive talents here – Holden/Ford or Toyota . That shouldn’t be hard to answer !!

    Oh yeah – just to let you know … i worked in the auto indusrty myself from 1997 – 2002 in Spare Parts myself for Shacks Holden in Western Australia so don’t even start with the lazy arse crap that you can challenge me about automotive knowlodge because fact will be … you carn’t and you won’t !!

  • http://aca Guess Who aka Guess Who

    Bavarian … first things first – i never got kicked off this site and let me make that clear. Secondly – i have never (and never will be) been cornered by yourself because your talents simple do not challenge much beyond bullsh8t arguements.

    Fact is Wallowing Missile … you are here to stir sh*t as much as the next party yet when challenged you crumble and then start wallowing away with all sorts of circus acts.

    You are a hyrocrite … PERIOD !!

    Wether in retaliation or not – abusive behaviour on your behalf is abusive behaviour no matter what which means you should start cleaning up your own act before starting with the pussy crap you carry on with from time to time.

    And lets admit it … Lexus is taking the challenge right to the M3 and probably do a damn impressive job of it which means your arguements against Toyota/Lexus dwindles even further and that alone limits your abilities to be a smart as*e against Toyota … PURE & SIMPLE !!

    If you want to persist being an idiot then thats how bloggers should and will treat you. However … if you can manage the ability to actually have a constructive and unbias debate then may be i can extend the same.

    Trust me Bavarain – i am not an idiot yet i treat clowns like clowns.

  • http://aca Guess Who aka Guess Who

    oh yeah – wouldn’t a FWD Camry have understeer not over !!

    And you call yourself an enthusiasts. Sounds like you carn’t drive a car full stop.

    And you know another dead give away for a loser – those who keep raving on about having garages full of all sorts of exotic cars not to mention drive BMWs, Audi’s and what not !!

    You are a classic clown.

  • tonyn

    didnt i say what toyota do well is spread them selfs over a range of categorys???

    Spare parts is a small part of the equation in the motor trade, i started as a mechanic, worked up to spares, then fixed operations manager, then went to sales, sales manager, thens to general sales manager. the only thing i didnt do is own the place. so now who has a greater knowledge of the motor trade? if you were so knowledgable why werent shacks holden begging you to stay and become the GM of the place?

    Ive been to germany several times and driven the worlds best side by side with lexus, believe me when i tell you this if you cop lexus as a luxury brand your having your self on! all your buying is a rebadged camry and then believeing your buying a better engineered peoduct. your just as biased as the rest of us!

    As for the W427, totally agree, it is over priced, but how do you know they havent done something special with it? as your well aware people buy overpriced toyotas every day…. there called lexus’s!!! lexus are that lazy they cant even change the shape of the landcruiser and then charge huge amounts more for what is no more than a sahara!!

    While toyota is doing a good job at spreading them selfs, maybe you should look at fords range

    Fiesta = yaris
    Focus = corolla
    Focus Diesel = Prius
    mondeo = camry
    Falcon = aurion
    Territory = kluger
    Ranger = Hilux
    transit = hi ace
    Transit bus = Commuter

    Only the 4wds is where ford is lacking, even volkswagen is close

    Polo = yaris
    Golf = Corolla
    EOS = sorry no toyota competion
    Beetle+ sorry no toyota competion
    Jetta = camry
    Passat = aurion
    Tiguan = rav 4
    Touareg = landcruiser
    and there wholemodel range comes in diesel to challenge prius!

    R series VW = TRd
    FPV = TRD

    So maybe if people look past marketing they might see competitors! or is it just they have rested on there laurels!

    Also sounds like you are jealous that people have better cars than you…. i think you are the classic clown!

    I am in the process of replacing my VE, and once again have driven the big 3, VE SSv, TRD aurion and had the lucky chance to drive the FG XR6t and XR8, and ill tell you theres only one choice for my drive way and toyota doesnt even come close, youll be in for a shock with the new falcon is every bit as good as your over priced camry the call is250.

  • Phill

    Every one take a chill pill

  • Carl

    BM, Guess who comes across as an emotional cripple with a lot of bottled anger who feels the need to try and bully people on the web because he is probably impotent and or gets bashed by his boss, wife and kids!!!!!

    Anyway you keep kicking his arse with your replies cos it makes us all laugh to see a chauvinist coward like him getting put in his place by a real woman!!!

  • tonyn

    good one carl you brought a smile to my face with that!!!

  • Carl

    Thanx Tonyn, I’ve already braced my self for the rant that must surely be on it’s way from guess who!!!!

  • tonyn

    yeah im going to take a bex and a good lie down before the next toyota roundabout rant!

  • http://aca Guess Who aka Guess Who

    hey carl … weren’t you the cripple trying to bully another blogger yesterday.

    mmmm … another wacked out hypocRite

    Tonyn … fairdinkum – i believe absloutelY nothing of your rot … absolutely nothing !!

    oh yeah – you mention if people open thier eyes they will see competitors. EXACTLY – that’s why Holden and Ford sales are at all new lows because the market recognises the competition with Toyota taking almost a 1/4 of that alone.

    ps… what competition has Holden and Ford got against each and every vehicle in the Lexus lineup – any compelling reason why missed that or is it because they simply don’t have any.

    Lets face it Tonyn – Toyota as an entire company has got it all over the likes of Holden and Ford … PERIOD – with thier sales, diverse fleet, reputation for quality and reliability and customer satsifaction surveys all in Toyota favour by a country mile.

    While Toyota keeps gaining, Holden/Ford keep dwindling – FACT !!

  • http://aca Guess Who aka Guess Who

    OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA

  • Carl

    That was you… who waka…. please try and keep up with your own fake names!!! LOL

  • Carl

    Hey Waka, for someone who claims to be with the best car company in the world and all of the rest of us a bunch of losers for not thinking like you……..you seem pretty stressed out!!!!

  • tonyn

    why would ford have a competetor for lexus, its not marketed that way, GT-E will compete with is-f.

    What does toyota have to compete with lexus? its the same stupid question you just asked of ford and holden!

    What gets me is you want me to say nice things about toyota yet you are not willing to do the same of ford or holden, so why are you fighting me when you are not leading by example?

    To me you sound like a sad little man who has to creat caracters on here to agree with you about toyota, and think your tough, sad sad little man, thats all you are!

    You dont believe what i say? i think i upset you a little with guessing the truth about you, since you have been on here you have been a spare parts bloke, SAS soldgier, a miner, your just a joke, can you keep up with your name and job changes?

    End of the day, there was another blogger on here who brought up the cost of owning a hybrid from construction to wreck and its is a lot worse than owning a diesel OR petrol car.

  • tonyn

    and ford overseas has mercury and lincon, which in your beloved “jd power” servey rated quite high didnt they, perhaps above lexus?????

  • Bavarian Missile

    Let me make it clear DINGO…..yes you did get kicked off the site.I know that for a fact.Oh and why else would you return under another name,again.

    Thanks Carl but this guy just isn’t worth the effort hes a hero in his own mind who backs up nothing except with statistics and not real life experiences or a broad knowledge of anything except that of Toyota.

    Just ignore the twerp……. clearly I have upset his ego.didumms!

    Hes schizophrenic Tonyn…..so I have no idea what personality he’ll come back with to answer us,my guess its abuse,so more like Dingo.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Here here MISSILE…I second the motion.

  • No Name

    Guess Who – must admit you must be bloody good at typing. But you’re ranting mate.

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    Tonyn … joined the Navy in 1990 and discharged in 1997 while based at HMAS Stirling in Western Australia and was apart of the decommissioning crew on Swan.

    Scored a crappy job in spare parts for Shacks Holden from 1997 to 2002 before moving to Queensland to be closer to the parents. From there i have been employed by Rio Tinto in a Central Queensland mine ever sense.

    TRG/SAS … what’s wrong with that story – i liked it !!

    Now .. back to cars – the fact is Tonyn – Toyota Motor Corporation is argueably the worlds most influencial automotive manufactuer in modern times.

    Yes they have worts just like everysingle other manufactuer but lets be frank at the same time … no other car company in recent years have evolved as much as TMC.

    Today – Toyota exhibits a very well balanced mainstream fleet that spans every segment from small cars to heavy, rugged off-road vehciles and everything in between. In support of that – thier cars are highly competitive across all facets of a well engineered/balanced vehicle.

    That said – only 20 years ago they began the Lexus project that has evolved to what it is renouned for today not mention that they are now in pursuit of greater performance recogniton with examples like the IS-F and LF-A sure to satisfy that very challenge.

    Then comes TRD – has been a fairly sedated arm for many years but TMC is now in full pursuit to place it otherwise with motorsports and enhanced cars all coming online.

    As i have mentioned – Craftsman Trucks as with the regular NASCAR series is moving strongly for them despite challenging the Americans at thier own game on thier own soil. F1 has proven more complex then anticipated but regardless – such involvment in the pinnacle of all automotive engineering has enabled TMC to gain experiance and knowledge that otherwise they would not have.

    Then comes thier hybrid regime. A highly debatable evolution but regardless Toyota has stuck to thier guns otherwise with once critics of such a project (eg GM) now persuing the same avenue themselves not to mention the marketing recognition and profits that has come with it.

    In all honesty … i respect brands such as Toyota because i admire how they have taken on some the hardest, most complex and challenging competitors of all and now most of those undertakings (not all such as F1) are becoming successful and somewhat lucarative achievements for them.

    Seriuosly … think about each and every project that TMC has committed itself to in the past few years as it is a damn lot more then any other individual automotive company i can think off.

    Better still – in America alone, Toyota has challenged the very heartland of American motoring such as the Pick-Up market with a growing respect and following for the Tundra Truck and of course competing in the NASCAR Series. And it doesn’t stop there because Toyota has also been successful in toppling Ford and Crysler on thier very own turf.

    In Australia – Toyota has grown incredibly strong holding almost a 1/4 of the market to themselves and making a habit of outselling Holden and Ford combined.

    Then comes Lexus – again has been a challenging undertaking yet today is one of the most respected and renouned marques of all taking the challenge right to the door step of the Germans as Toyota has done to the Yanks and that alone is no small/easy feat. Gotta give credit were credit is due especialy considering Lexus is the only Japenese attempt to be successful in the prestiage market.

    On thier final frontier remains motorsport and performance cars. As mentioned they have been rightfully critised for lack of participation yet in recent times we have witnessed a slow yet confident resurrgence back into the league.

    Examples from TRD, Lexus with the IS-F and LF-A as with Toyota’s FT-HS and AE86 amoung others as with greater participation in variuos motorsport events are all proving positive projects.

    Despite all the enormous challenges TMC has indulged into not to mention maintaining a highly competitive and broad spanding fleet … Toyota has been able to remain the most efficent and profitable automotive manufactuer of all that has infact boosted them as todays No.1 most wealthiest auto group of all.

    Thier wealth today is greater then that of GM, Ford and Crysler combined returning mult-billion dollar profits while the American owned trio return mult-billion dollar losses. And despite some quality hiccups and increased recalls in recent times they have been able to remain strong in the vast array of quality and customer satisfaction surveys that are frequently published.

    So … for all it’s worth – thats why i respect Toyota because it’s not so much WHO they are but WHAT they do !!

    Cheers

  • Bret

    Toyota US Feb sales DOWN 6.3%
    Lexus US Feb sales DOWN 9.6%

    All despite having an extra sales day this year.

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    Rants, raves, schizo, moron or what ever … doesn’t change the reality of the automotive environment one little bit.

    Bavarian – let me make something CLEAR … NO I WAS NOT becuase it is virtually impossible to do so.

    Oh yeah – is that a pink or purple hanky. And we all know who the Schizo don’t we Wallowing Missile.

    Face it dimwit … you have got nothing and once again you have just proven how much a fairdinkum hyprocrite you are.

    SORE LOSER … PERIOD !!

    Oops … sorry better be nice before you have another fit and complain to Alborz that thngs are getting to hard for you.

    PISS WEAK !!

    PS – you struggle with facts n figures because you carn’t grasp the reality of such surveys which suggests very little for Holden and Ford. Then again – you are challenged trying to grasp yourself.

    Keep it up Wallowing Freak … i love stirring challenged, fit induced freaks like yourself.

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    Bret … just about all manufactuer sales are down because of the slump in the US market … AM I WRONG !!

    How about the figures for GM and Ford or ain’t you willing to mention that

    Here, i’ll do it for you …

    GM down 13%
    Ford down 7%

    all despite having an extra day sale.

  • Eyma Teapot

    Guess who can be anyone,
    Mate that was one long winded statment,Can must have R.S.I after that one.
    Yes, agreed, Toyota sell a lot of cars.
    McDonalds sell a lot of burgers. That doesnt make it fine Cuisine!

  • TP

    Tonyn biodiesel will never work, what is the machinery that makes it going to run on? What land is going to be used? Hydrogen cell is the way… then electric. Diesel in no shape or form is going to be sustainable into the future.

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    Emma – McDonalds don’t win awards do they not are they respected for quality products.

    Maybe you should be thinking of Holden and Ford when it comes comparisons to Macca’s because they are all of the same dismal standards.

    Anyway – peace fellow bloggers because i’m outta here until sometime next week.

    On annual leave at the moment and heading to Longreach for a few days R&R and to visit the Qantas Museum which has a 747-200 and a 707-100 as static displays that are open for tours each and everyday of the week. Spending some time in Emerald on the way out aswell.

    Cheers

    ps – peace be with all.

    OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA !!

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    OH YEAH … Take the time and read my novel dated today at 8.40pm

    OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA !!

  • Carl

    This guy’s got trg, sas, add, adhd, and RSI on his right wrist!!!!

  • http://aca Guess Who Can Be Anyone

    and wankers cramp yet it doesn’t even hurt.

    cheers

  • FORD is No.1

    Enjoy your coupon holiday guess who magoo does anyone really care, but can u just for those few days look in the mirror for a moment and reflect on all the garbage that comes from erratic, repeated, unwarranted. mindless Toy-mota comments that you keep dribbling on this site, if only you could break down those conglomeration of thought’s and have a civilised conversation or the words can’t redeem my soul fit in place here.
    Keep up with churning crap and crap will shoot you down, can’t win a war when the war is lost..

  • No Name

    TP – you keep slating diesel for not being viable in the future but you conveniently forgotten petrol in that as well. Given that you can’t drive as far on a litre of petrol, if we all drove petrol the situation would be worse wouldn’t it? So buy driving disels for the short term we are potentially extended oil use in vehicles by 20-30%. Ah Ha!

  • tonyn

    what gets me abut your argument guess who is that your talking about these great cars toyota is doing yet very little of them have made it to production yet…….

    And AE86 which you talk about has subaru underpinnings not even toyotas!

    You talk about tundra, ford still spanks them in that class with the f truck in the US!

    What gets me, is that you really are a victim of a good advertising campaign, you would believe anything that comes out of toyotas mouth! if concept cars are all you have to believe that they are the best, do you want me to bring out the list of benz, bmw, ford, GM and volkswagen group prototypes that are prob just as good? hell vw released a gold diesel hybrid prototype and no one even gave it credit and it would put prius into the ground!!!!

    Toyota are very much like mcdonalds, they have ok products, but market it so every one thinks its the best!

    Is it ment to worry me you were in the forces and now work in the mines? and you worked a blink in the motor industry so it is insignificant. i think you need to go back working on your mine equipment and stop dreaming of toyota.

  • http://aca Terry Slater

    Agree, Toyota have good products McDonalds don’t which is why the fitting of Holden and Ford go hand in hand with the golden arches considering each is American owned. Doesn’t say much for American products. While the sales of the Tundra is rapidly increasing with record sales in 2007, the F Series and GM pick ups are sliding because of the competition. Ford is expressing concerns about the continual slide in the popularity of thier pick ups as the Tundra is erroding sales. Toyota also owns shares in Subaru, Yamaha and Isuzu. How is Ford no.1, i believe they are no.3, unprofitable and in bad shape.

  • tonyn

    you idiot terry ford are still the number 1 pick up in the US! i never said there no 1 world wide!

    Toyota is like mcdonalds, there prduct is average yet marketed to be made out like the worlds best.

    Im certianly not saying ford or holden are any beter than toyota, so dont get that impression.

    all i have been trying to say is toyota has the world believing the only soloution is hybrid with is not the case, it may be the soloution now but like the beta cassette and lazer disc it will fade, leaving a lot of customers with a worthless and ugly piece of crap! if you do your research about hybrid cars you will find they are not as green as you think, the batteries are high in poloutants and need to be replaces every 8 to 10 years, when you way up the costs on your back pocket and the environment, the prius is a joke. full stop.

  • Bret

    Dingo, nah couldn’t care less about GM or Ford figures, just pushing buttons: Yours.

    So ford dropped less than lexus and only slightly more than toyota?

  • http://aca Terry Slater

    Considering hybrids are increasingly becoming the favourite with many brands it seems Toyota had the right idea for the current environment all along. Never said it is the best long term solution but it is the best option today so why wouldn’t companies like Toyota promote now as it would be useless to have done so yester-year or tommorrow-year. We live now not another time. Toyota is a quality Japanese product whereas McDonalds, Holden and Ford are all American rubbish. So you have a go at the Prius but not the hybrids and plugins that are about to come from BMW, MB, GM and Ford not to mention Honda. Whats the go with that, seems the narrow minded bias duck has been plucked. Forget it, you are not fooling anyone but yourself. You say that hybrids will one day be worthless pieces of crap, what about all the V8 gas gusslers that GM and Ford are still so content on pushing. Grown from 5.0 ltrs to 6 and now 7. Somehow i believe they will be worthless long before hybrids not to mention all that Korean Daewoo leftovers that Holden is flogging of to the Australian public. When the world finally does purge itself of fossils fuels, battery operated vehicles and other means will be as common as combustion engines are today and you count on that. And one final note, Toyota marketing is good but thier products are better.

  • TP

    No Name twisted logic… its true Diesel is more fuel efficient, it doesnt offset the extra oil.. but thats my point, we are at the same point as we are right now, which we cant be at in 10 years or so!!! Thankyou for showing my point. This is why the Diesel fairies need to wake up, sure they are more FUEL efficient, but this is offset by being less OIL efficient… a hybrid on the other hand is more FUEL AND OIL EFFICIENT. Get it!? Prity simple really. If anyone still cant put two and two togther, to put it simply, if everyone had a hyrbid instead of a conventional petrol world oil consumption would decrease by 20-30%, HOWEVER if everyone switched to Diesel at best you might get a 5% decrease in oil efficiecny (the difference between the 25% extra oil to took to make a certain quantitity of oil offset against the 30% more efficiecny a diesel has in fuel consumption). For it to be viable, a Diesel needs to be at the very least 55% decrease in fuel consumption, which then just matched a hybrid!

  • tonyn

    TP , the prius still has a greater impact over the life of the car on the environment then diesel, now were diesel fairys??

    How do you work your maths out? federal govenment does the comparo and rates VW Golf diesel as more fuel efficent, and greener on the environment???

  • http://aca Bonga

    Is that just the Prius or every other hybrid / plug in from BMW, MB, Honda, Ford and GM. The same government is also lobbing for hybrids to be biult in Oz so i wonder what maths they done to be enticed to push local hybrids. I read in the Australian earlier in the week that Australain Goverment Officials have just returned from visiting Toyota in Japan talking up possibilities of building a hybrid Camry in Oz. The Oz Gov is pushing Toyota not the otherway around.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Oh yes you were Dingo…….cause I know how he did it,as you said virtually. You find another computer to rant from ! No one believes you anyway .

    Hanky…pfftttt you still don’t get it do you.

    Quote

    “PS – you struggle with facts n figures because you carn’t grasp the reality of such surveys which suggests very little for Holden and Ford. Then again – you are challenged trying to grasp yourself.”

    Ummmm,its just a survey ,thats why! Challenged trying to grasp myself, I thought thats what you did.You know they have nasal spray for that problem now..hahaha