Toyota FT-HS performance hybrid concept
February 25, 2008 by George Skentzos
Perhaps not the most ideal tag line to promote Toyota’s newest performance concept, think of the FT-HS – or Future Toyota Hybrid Sports – as a ‘Prius on steroids’.
With rising fuel prices, the FT-HS prototype makes sense – a battery to keep the nutters happy, and a 3.5-litre V6 engine to keep a smile on your face.
The electric motor adds almost 50 percent more power to the petrol-only engine similar to the one found in the humble Aurion family car.
When combined, the FT-HS has a targeted output of over 300kW – just a little more than a Prius.
With its aerodynamic profile and liberal use of weight saving materials, Toyota expects a 0-100km/h dash in the four-second range.
If the hybrid-sports car doesn’t quite catch on, Toyota Australia’s corporate manager of product planning Peter Evans says alternatively it could be interpreted as a vision for the Toyota Supra of the future.
The FT-HS concept will be featured on Toyota’s stand at the Melbourne International Motor Show.
Tags: Hybrid, Toyota FT-HS Concept
Finally a car that opposes the current cardigan Toyota’s and gives it a real shot in the arm for class and a hot as look. Whilst very wedgy shape….it still looks angular and still like it heaps. Great work Toyota!
Just hope TRD dont tweak it and try what not to it! Ha Ha Ha
All we need is a re-run of Knight Rider with the little red LED light set up in front grille and David Hasselhoff and presto – environmentally friendly a tad more and all.
Can’t say I like the look. Good aerodynamics and good looks aren’t mutually exclusive.
NM,
just as long as the “Hoff” doesnt try to sing his version of “jump in my car”.
i mean have you seen his pathetic clip to that song?
any way……….
im sure ive seen this design or something very much like it before. was it the supra concept?
help me out people………
it looks like your typical old Pontiac emblem painted on the bonnet too ha ha ha ha
About time Toyota made a real sports car even if it is a hybrid.Good power,with 300kws and a mountain of bottom end torque I would think.Supra was Toyota’s last proper sports car and a top one at that and theres been nothing decent since.It looks small should go good.
Andrew, this concept is relatively old however it will feature at the Melb Motor Show which is why it was posted.
I know there’s already 2 posts on this site with this concept. One as a Celica, the other as a Supra.
thanks george,
me old noggin knew i had seen/read about it before but i wasnt sure that it was being called the same thing as previous
ANDREW M…..least you have a sense of humour as not many do > you know who I mean and there is a few! Yeah that song was a classic laugh hey! Can see the clip clear in my thoughts when 1st read ya comment. Ha Ha Ha. Maybe we could do a 2008 remix with TP being a pseudo “Hoff” complete with mullet and blue singlet jumping threw the window on the door like in the Dukes of Hazzard. WATCH THE METAL TP AS ITS PRECIOUS!
Yeh. where is TP…Aka the Hoff.
Why the nutter bit about shoving batteries and motors in. It makes good sense with outputs at 300Kw. Besides Londons congestion charge exempts hybrids like this and Lexus’s 600hybrid
Again another example of Toyota heading in the right direction…. while Ford and Holden aim to turbo their engines!! Styling is abit sus, but under the bonnet sounds great, small car fuel efficiency at cruising speeds, super car acceleration on demand.
SUS LOOK….maybe put an Aurion shell on it as cutting edge average to good? The word “another” is heading in right direction…. whats “other” mean? Small car efficiency with a 3.5litre Aurion motor……LOL HEAPS HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Maximus, have you been keeping an eye on American Motor Racing so far this year.
Round one Craftsman Trucks : Toyota 1-2-3-4
Round Two (this weekend) : Toyota 1-2-3-4
Round one Nascar Sprint – Daytona 500 : Toyota 3-4
Daytona Qualifying – Duels 150 : Toyota 1-2
Round Two Nascar Sprint (this weekend) : running 3rd until postoned until tomorrow because of weather / 88 of 250 laps completed.
Great results for the start of a very promising season for Toyota all thanks to TRD.
* A list of current projects either completed or underway to change it’s cardigan image.
1. Corolla Master G
2. AE86 (concept)
3. FT-HS (concept)
4. TRD Aurion
5. TRD Hilux
6. TRD Corolla (concept)
7. IS-F
8. LF-A
9. LF Roadster
10. GS-F (concept)
* Read the track report (Eastern Creek) of the new GS460 put through it’s paces by Carsguide and John Bowe. Log onto Carsguide for the read.
NM,
TP with a mullet and blue singlet???
more like a cardigan and coke bottle specticles…….
Steve Ercle perhaps???
TP,
please do change your name to “THE HOFF” as it would show you have a bit of personality and a sense of humour
TRD, what’s NASCAR got to do with this?
Absolutely nothing at all, not even in the slightest. Just thought i might share some TRD stuff anyway because i dig thier evolving competitivness.
Toyota, TRD and Lexus between them will inject much needed performance mojo into the TMC outfit at different and varying levels.
sorry TRD,
i cant afford pay TV to be able to follow Nascar.
would like to see a bit more of it though but mainly to follow the aussie in Ambrose!!!!!!!
(oh and another name change i see)
Andrew.M the Nationwide series (formerly Busch series) that Ambrose competes in is exclusively the rights of Channel 10 Hi-Def this year.
They are having problems though. I’ve been working a few Sundays, and tried to watch a race before work, and it hasn’t been on when they said. A bloke in Brisbane said he watched the race.
My mate is a huge Ambrose fan, he called Channel 10 and gave them a blast because he bought a set top box and still can’t see the racing.
Apparently the HD channel will be more reliable mid-year in capital cities. But likely to still be dodgy in rural cities/towns like where I am :-(
If Ambrose weren’t in there, I wouldn’t have the slightest interest in Nascar.
thanks Watto,
i do remember hearing about it being on HD now that you mention it.
the thing is i dont even have a HD TV ha ha ha ha ha
Geez Andrew’s on a roll of funnies tonight.
Watto I think that goes for a lot of us!
Whats he been smokin I wonder. You lot got Hi Def TV….Oooh impressed…Pity it don’t work though.
the main reason there’s no point making “affordable” sports cars is that they are impractical… save Nissan of course, they just have a trigger happy Chief Engineer… and I love them for it.
But Toyota, as most know are very conservative as of late, and theres a good reason why… they are number 1 in the world, profit wise and going strong because of this.
I have to say though, when you are a head engineer proposing a new vehicle to the market.. you pretty much have to justify everything relating to it.. yada yada yada.. bottomline… there must be far more pros and at the very bottom.. it has to make the company money or a good share in that market…
and with a hybrid engine with the sports performance in tact… it simply wasnt possible a few years ago.. this includes cost/manufacturability issues… and I’m not too sure this concept is “close” to production as of yet still..
probably 3 years.. but could be sooner..
and Australia will still get the bad end of the stick anyways…. you will probably look at a 90K price range… atleast. Whilst it’ll sell for roughly about 30K AUD in Japan, and about 40K AUD in USA….
STEVE ERCLE…..love it!
TP yeah I have noticed some stuff occuring over USA, still to be convinced; but in the numero uno of car racing ‘FORMULA 1′ where Toyota have thrown serious $$$ with no results. And they have been outspoken about there ambitions there TP. Still love this car….bit wedgy. Hope Toyota nail some better trendier svelte looking cars as they are bit whitegoodsy.
Lets have a 2020 Summit (for cars) and invite TP to it and he can chair the meeting as the ‘HOFF’ (albeit might be a nerdy Hoff from what you say Andrew M as cant say I remember the Hoff with bottleneck spectacles and cardigan -hey the proofs in the pudding as he did BAYWATCH and he would of looked like a porkchop nerd virgin at best)…..now there is a point! Who needs superstars like Blanchett when we can get it underway with “THE HOFF”
HELLO…my nickname is for laughs as TOO MANY ON HERE AINT!
ANDRE M picked up on this and carried it. All do it as get fed up with little niggles that normally occur!
Supercar performance with small car fuel efficiency… this is a winning formula.
Big claim 2008 HOFF….like it has an Aurion motor and you brag on small car efficiency. Yeah right and you know the figures? AS IF…..but is typical of you? Didnt know ’small car efficiency’ is around 10lt/100kms or more in the real world.
Maybe state “supercar performamce with unreal fuel efficiency”.
Like heck TP….I like it and inside is sweet and different hey!
Its got a battery you idiot NM… as I said earlier, when you want supercar performance the tuned V6 will deliver (along with the chunk of torque down low from electric) and when you want fuel efficiency, the electric motor will keep fuel consumption down. A smart idea then slapping a turbo on like Ford and Holden!! Oh but I forgot, your from the camp who says a Falcon consumes the same fuel as a 1.5L hatchback!!!
TP (THE HOFF),
NM isnt an idiot. all cars have a battery but it doesnt mean you still get 4L/100k out of an SS now does it? ha ha ha ha
seriously though if you think toyota can put out 300kw and keep consumption to 4L/100k simply because it has an electric motor attached, then your “coke bottled toyota coloured glasses” are seriously thick.
the thing will still drink 10L/100k mark my words.
the electric motors only benefit such vehicles when touring through the city.
as NM said it wont be a super car drinking like a small car but rather a super car that can actually match a typical large car for fuel consumption.
oh and who says a falcon only consumes as much as a 1.5L hatch back? i know ive said an “LPG” falcon is cheaper to run than a prius, but never a petrol version
TOYOTA “the Hoff” PULLER…wow it has a battery? Stiff. Professor Know it F***all, do you know the figures it achieves cause as my point is it still wont get around 5 or less litres per 100kms. Yes it is going dowm right road but I bet the figure wont be low as YOU ASSUME WRONGLY!
And Puller, dont tug and misrepresent me as being in the Ford camp…..as I aint obsessed about one single car maker like you. And dig up the comment on me that my LPG car is cheaper to run then a hatch….worst I said is I fill up for $46 or thereabouts and get 550kms per tank.
dont worry NM,
we all know he will simply ignore the conversation now he realises he has said some silly stuff.
like he always does……..typical
He is really touchy on batteries…dont think he ummm well he uses them on toys of the desperate kind? Begs the question as he does tug quite hard on Toyotas
He even talks of camps…camp as a row of tents me thinks
how heavy is the car with the batteries as well as the standard motor, this is the main killer of the electric car world. Bulk torque from 1 rpm to maximum for the electric but it is needed because of the extra weight of the batteries.
Nah could be the other camp…..chutney ferret
Great line and in stitches at your warped comment! Love it. Hey your in UK….do you love Stella Street?
NM whats stella street mate. Always on for a laugh
NM,
i think he means camp as in toyota camp……..
you know the line……..
“this one time, at toyota camp we……….”
you make up the rest as there are too many variables
also toyota camp would be about as exciting as “band camp”
WOW….Iam like need a seatbelt reading your replies Andrew M as they have me nearly falling outta me seat with laughter heaps.
WHATS STELLA STREET…sell ya shirt and get a copy. It is two guys who do all acting and it is set in England and they do Joe Pesci, James Bond, Michael Caine, Jack Nicholson, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Jack Nicholson and gee it is well done. The skits are funny as and it is so dam great to watch. Real Comedy and very well amazingly acted hey! GET IT….sell ya dog or go to the Op Shop and sell your Toyota for like 5 pounds! YOU WONT REGRET IT. ACTUALLY DO ME A FAVOUR – BUY A HEAP OF THEM AND WATCH THEM AND I WILL BUY THEM OFF YOU WITH AIR FREIGHT ADDED. PLEASE I BEG YOU TO GET AND ME BUY OFF YOU!
Sure it wont get Pruis fuel efficiency… but the point is while Ford and Holde with their Turbo future get 15L per 100km when driving lightly the even more performance orientated FT-HS will be getting 8L or so. Dont need half a brain to realise which manufacturer is taking the right path.
TP….in your travels on net; can you please see if can dig up specs on fuel efficiency and technology to see if they are perfecting smaller Li-ion batteries that dont add mass weight to the car as I would assume it is still being fined tuned much more from the bulky ones previously seen!
hahaha…..Geez Louise……..Been on the phone to Wheelnut last 2 hours,haven’t I missed a lot…..of laughs!hehehe
Nice one guys…hahaha
TP,
you are purely speculating on fuel efficiency rather than looking at the examples already out there.
oh and the XR6T gets 15L/100k does it? please stop you are only proving your utter exaggeration on the subject to make toyota look good.
the XR6T gets into the 11’s for 100k and thats before you apply this new tech in decompressing the motor and boosting it or what ever they plan
Night Andrew…sweet dreams babe!
ANDREW M….gee love ya comment as reflects exactly TP. Like agree fuel efficiency will be bit improved a tad, but not the leaps and bounds as he states “small car efficiency”. WHAT A LOAD OF GIBBERISH TO BOOST THE TOYOTA FLAG. You only have to look at the Lexus hybrid with the big motor to realise it has helped somewhat – but not at levels of small car fuel efficiency! Gotta admire him for persistance and tenacity as at times he annoys a lot and many comments come back on him. I give him credit at times as he can be smart what he digs up and finds in his travel on the information superhighway!
When they get a huge electric motor into a car and a small tiny engine that might be supercharged and the batteries are topped up by braking and periodic engine use – then I will listen. That is being researched and the other problem they have to really overcome is battery size and how long it takes to recharge the batteries once needs AC power top up.
The real dilema I see with this technology is that appears cutting edge where I think its double dutch to the environment as there will be an increase of AC power usage to recharge these cars which will still (albeit to a lesser extent then before hybrid technology) as there will also still be some greenhouse gases produced in addition to the AC power increase across the board. What will happen then is power supplies will go up and so the wheel goes again! So it aint the new you beaut technology you are hanging out for TP!
Then we go to the shelf life of the batteries….where will excess go when finished TP? Recycled?
As I said till they reinvent the wheel it is not the leaps and bounds jump as you hope. Rather a small term jump forward (not long term)!
And also what fuel will they use inside motor….the hydrogen in H2O or petrol? Dare say the latter!
Because Toyota sells ship loads of cars these days i reckon the Toyota camp party would go off.
Looking over at the Holden/Ford gathering, there would only be a few drug induced bogons telling everybody how great thier cars are while trying to get them on the road again.
oh yeah, there would alot of doom-n-gloom Daewoo owners aswell.
TRD : been watching the Nascar series myself and they are doing well. Should prove a successful season for Toyota. Hopefully they can get their F1 team in the same shape.
An even sleazier looking Celica?
Justin….gee belt the words out to quick and all over the place with ya comments. What are you trying to state? Tad vague?
HOW MUCH DO NEW BATTERIES COST AND HOW OFTEN?
Bet the Cmry Nascar is RWD.
Will it be fitted with the latest Toyota Anti Driver Technology – you know the shit that allows it to drive itself?
Toyota should harness the power of steam
Haha look at them whinge, Ford and Holden go for turbo… smart toyota goes for Hybrid performance. And you wander why they are bother struggling these days!
Toyota Lovers must be on school detention.
Have u heard Toyota has invented steam power!
Hyundai i30 gets near Pirus Hybrid economy and it looks like a car not a womens slipper on wheels. Why bother with the freaky looking Pirus.
I30 DIESEL
and its proven diesels are more fuel efficent PLUS are GREENER for the enviroment!
READ THE FACTS ON HYBRIDS I LAST STATED TP…you struggle to answer my queries but rather try to slam dunk all with no feedback acceptable in your eyes.
Like I said there is no major advancement to the concerns I raised in my previous comments and yet you bandy around how superior Toyota is? LOL heaps.
Pirus will be an Auto Sparks heaven or nightmare either way in a few years time as thse things age.
New batteries and how much and how often. Bet this will negate any fuel/ environmental savings long term.
Tell me, what more fuel efficient performance car has say General Motors provided? A 6.2L engine which is supercharged? Gee thats a move forward. Toyota are using their brain, the market is moving towards these options, perfect recipe; small car fuel efficiency, big car power. Its going to be a winner.
Will go the same way as BETTA and HD has.
Humble Hyundai have nearly out economised the Pirus with a diesel and thse are early days. Read my weathered and bleeding lips TP.
Throw those Toyota coloured glasses in the bin they are clouding your judgment.
and who wants to drive a Johnny cab.
This Hybrid Tech is too expensive and too clumsy.
Short of a miracle in Battery tech this tech is still clumsy.
remember the prius hits two birds with one stone, fuel economy + emissions, I doubt the i30 matches in the emissions department on a driving basis.
Manufacturing and maintenance (though if you buy a new one you pay only 120 per service upto 60k kms) would be more expensive, but depending how they recycle, produce the spare parts for the prius let alone the car, if in a green manner in align with a prius, its an eco winner.
Again TP you re-raise issues on small car efficency that ANDREW M and myself responded. Your repeating yourself and have not addressed ‘general concerns’ I raised which “REALCARS” last commented briefly back on. Well done “REALCARS”! Over to you TP….? no repeating please as we understand, rather look at my exhaustive comments on Hybrids and newer technology on batteries, etc required.
NM,
i think we should add this to the bottom of all our comments in order for TP to notice them and stop skirting around them…….
“the aurion does 0-100 in 15.3 secs”
that will draw his attention to what we say
TP…you said GM is on track to secure there future in South Africa, now you say opposing attacking comments? So you support VE getting exported Middle East, USA, South Africa on one hand – then attack fuel efficiency of 6.2litre engine and the 6cylinders are proven to be inefficient. Have you “any” credibility as your getting out there with ya backflips!
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Cheers
NM – “the aurion does 0-100 in 15.3 secs” – Ha Ha Ha
Toyota glasses should stay on because it allows people to see more clearly and not the rubbish from Holden and Ford they are about to buy.
Realcars … lets get something stright here – the reliability of Toyota hybrids have been nothing short of outstanding with very little been reported wrong. Infact, it has now become commonly accept in the US that the Prius can travel inexcess of 300 00Okm with little or no attention to it’s batteries – can a GM equivalent follow suit …. doubt it very much.
Lets put reality in perspective here … many car manufactuers are now rapidly coming onboard the hybrid express including your beloved rubbished companies of GM and Ford but the fact remains … Toyota and Honda are by far the industry leaders of such technology.
In conclusion – laugh all you want but in reality, GM and Ford are now trying to play the game of catch up (like they are doing with everything else) yet they are so far behind in the race. Infact, Ford were so lost on thier very own turf that they had to purchase dated Toyota Hybrid Tech just so they could get on the act quicker … pathetic !!
You are nothing but a jealous prick of Toyota and their absolute slamming of GM and Ford. You are as sad as your rubbished car manufactuers
Even better – picked up the latest Wheels magazine today and has a special Active Safety Test of the 12 most popular cars in Australia.
We all know that the standard safety equipment of the Aurion is more then the Commmodore and then proved it’s integrity when it outclassed the VE 27/37 to 30/37 in the latest NCAP evaluations.
Now, Wheels have put 12 of the most popular cars through an active evaluation with the Aurion AT-X (4th) toppling Commodore Omega (7th) yet again.
Basically, every test relating to safety wether passive or active the Aurion has trumped the VE. And then we can talk about quality, refinement, reliability, recalls, smootness, power, efficency and so on but i suppose you wouldn’t want to take it any further … RIGHT !!
DIDN’T THINK SO …
Amen… Aurion is a true class leader, Falcon with half a litres more displacement couldnt even topple its performance!!!
As for fuel effciency Realcars, Diesel is a deadend, hybrid is investing in a future of all electrics… so as long as it can equal Diesel thats all that matters… especially when you consider you aernt going to make a performance car out of a Diesel engine, you can however from a hybrid.
Realcars – i remember as clear as day when twin cams/quad cams, multi valves, variable valve/cam timing etc came out and that the very same mentality people as yourself saying it is only ‘more to go wrong’ yet today … what are engines without them.
Hybrids will develope as a good interim measure yet challenged lads like yourself have a habit of sprucking sh8t in vain without having no idea what exaatly you are really saying anyway.
Thank god the evolution of the world isn’t centred around dinasours like yourself otherwise god help us all.
You are just jelous and cut-up that the automotive world is moving much to fast for the likes of GM and Ford to keep pace especially considering they haven’t got a ‘braze ra-zu’ to spend on any decent and fulfilling R&D.
That’s ok just keep buying those bland BASIC Camrys and keep cross subsidising the mostly Yuppie types buying the Pirus as a second car to be fashionable.
Pirus typifies Toyota’s SPIN driven approach to everything they do.
From an engineering point of view the Pirus is over complicated considering diesel vehicles are approaching the same levels of efficiency with the bonus over Pirus of conventional car drive ability.
Anyway, don’t u know that the EUROs had twin cams/OHC at least 20 years before Toyota.U must be old.
Looks like Toyota chose the lesser path although they did get the brownie points for environmental friendliness SPIN their market machine was after even if it ends up a dud in the medium term. I am sure there will be plenty of people such as yourself that will buy a Pirus even if the conventional diesel evolves into a more efficient device.
Latest BMW diesels are performance vehicles TP.
I think u’ll find the Pirus petrol engine hasn’t got VVTI.
Looks like Toyota Lovers have gone to bed. School tomorrow.
I think its more of an environmental issue rather than effeciency altogether, the toxicity of a diesel is far worse than a normal petrol based car, let alone electric, people these days are getting more environmentally conscious these days and yes its the majority and its growing, Furthermore not only that with oil prices going up, fossil fuel based motors are in its twilight stages as oil is a natural resource and eventually it will be harder to come by (especially with all the tension in the middle east, what will happen if the peace era pops?), To a point I think its right for Toyota/Honda to start looking at alternative power, though its slowly progressing there, but when the time comes when oil is too precious, they’ll be on the right path at least. I just hope other names will realise oil is in volatile times and look at alternative sources, I know BMW is looking at Hydrogen!
Right now car manufacturers are riding the effeciency wagon which diesel comes out on top in bang for buck, just wait till a real oil crisis hits and see what happens remember Diesel is a by product of the petroleum processing, they both go hand in hand.
To a point I agree with AKA, we are dinosaurs we love performance/excitement even though we are sacrificing our environment, e.g. gamblers will be gamblers, smokers will be smokers, car lovers will always be car lovers in the expense of themselves/environment and so forth, its our passion that we cant live (well live happily) without.
Toyotas are made from recycled razor blades!
Hang on doesn’t the Pirus use petrol?
Diesels are now fitted with particle filters.
Electric cars (yuk) will be the way to go in efficiency terms pending a breakthrough in battery technology.
I think electric motors are generally 80% efficient at converting electricity into kinetic energy (movement).Internal combustion less than 20% efficiency with diesel version a bit better.
Trouble is that we require a source of electricity which will probably be via nuclear fission / fusion in the future and via transmission lines which aren’t that efficient especially at any distance. If Fisson prevails then we will have to live with the occasional meltdown and evacuation of the area for several thousand years. Fusion would mean negligible waste and unlimited energy so we could using electolysis liberate the Hydrogen from sea water and store it in fuel cells chemically combined with the fuel cell alloy and liberated by varying an electric current as required. In this senario we could all drive 10 litre v16 engined cars releasing water vapor in our wake.
Guys the Hyundai i30 got good fuel economy on a several hundred (or was it over a thousand) kilometre race over the countryside.
For people who live in urban areas there is a factor called traffic… and when you have stop start traffic you will find that the all praised i30 isn’t so revolutionary. The prius recharges its batteries during breaking.
It’s the city areas where hybrid cars really come out on top… remember the vast majority of Australian’s live in urban areas.
braking*
:p
Joober and the Toyota Fans – Don’t kid yourself its only the Toyota and Honda, All others are at it as well follow me link above and you’ll see GM have a range of Hybrid cars in the states. Saab have always been very green in going forward, probably as a result of the Acid rain once falling on their forests.
Do it yourselves and search each manufacturer typing say BMW Hybrid, or GM hydrogen or Ford electric. You’ll be surprised what comes up. Even Landrover are stuffing batteries in the LRX to satisfy consumerism.
No name, I think its also a reason to why isnt those cars or variants more global?, we only hear about Prius or the Civic Hybrid, How serious are these other big manufacturers trying to get it to the global consumers? if they are serious of making more enviro impact then it should be more worldwide, unfortunately I see their triple bottom line approach is not as strong as others, I know maximising profit is always number one.
No doubt im keen on a more competitive field here in Aus, (im no fan of the prius ala Johnny cab lol), as well as seeing other forms of alternatives too.
Realcars, im sure in 10 years time well have tech advance methods in handling the problems you say. Remember when computers first came out, they thought in the future its just going to get bigger, in fact the opposite.
Realcars … not only is Toyota and Lexus into suppling the world with the currently the best hybrid vehicles on the market but they are also heavily involved with Diesel engines … are they not !!
All commercials and 4×4’s come with an array of Dissel options while in Europe, Toyota has a selection of diesel engines for the Yaris, Corolla and other examples. I believe there is a 1.4, 1.6 and 2.2 diesel options for thier smaller passenger vehicles aswell as the array of options for thier heavy duty vehicles.
So … on a global level – not only is Toyota 100% Euro4 compliant with each and every new petrol engine (as with most others) but are also 100% Euro4 compliant with each and every new diesel donk aswell as being the leading manufactuer for hybrid technology.
If you would have bothered to conduct some fulfilling and meaningful research for once instead of spilling utter crap all over the place – you would have relised this.
Admittedly, Toyota Australia lacks Diesel versions of thier cars but at the same token – is currently only 1 of 2 manufactuers in oz to be offering hybrid alternatives with the other being Honda. However … globally especially in Europe – many of Toyota’s mainstream passenger vehicles come with deisels as well.
You should sell Toyotas GWAKW.
U ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A LILY LIVID TOYOTA LOVER.
YOUR SWEEPING STATEMENTS DON’T REFLECT MUCH RESEARCH.
YOU AND YOUR CAMRY DESERVE ONE ANOTHER!!!
Besides how come u are early home from school today GWAKW?
“It’s the city areas where hybrid cars really come out on top… remember the vast majority of Australian’s live in urban areas.”
QFT
Realcars, perhaps you should go back to school and get an education.
What another Toyota Lover out of the wood work.
Any of u drongos actually own a Pirus?
On this blog owners are reporting better than 5l/100klms out of their i30 CRDs and they are not even run in fully.
Makes your case for Hybrids pretty weak oh intellectual giants.
Oh god haven’t been on much last few days………
Anything new……!
and if it’s u dads car it doesn’t count!
Yes BM I am afraid the Toyota Lovers are at it again.
They won\’t accept the fact that Diesels are now approaching Hybrid levels of efficiency combined with better overall drive experience!
These heathens also believe there is no such thing as a performance oriented diesel car on the market!
Unfortunately these poor wretches cannot see past the bonnets of their widebody Camrys.
Diesel’s might be approaching the economy of hybrids, but diesel technology is far more mature with arguably very little attainable improvements. Hybrids on the other hand are still developing technologies with vast room for improvements, improvements which will inevitable come into fruition in the upcoming years.
Look it’s a basic principle of chemistry / thermodynamics that electric power is cleaner and more efficient that petrol/diesel power.
Once you can come to terms with that FACT, there is really nothing to argue about.
I’ve had this same argument before…..funnily enough!!!!!
Its been proven Diesels are more environmentally friendly and more fuel efficient than hybrids…..not sure what Toyota blog it was though….there’s been soooooooooo many!
Well there once was a time after the invention of the automobile that a horse and cart was faster and also more reliable than the automobile :)
Give it time… it will happen. Example – as more cars use batteries economies of scale should reduce the costs and energy required to produce them.
If diesel power was the be all and end all of power then trains would still be on diesel, computers diesel… you get my point :D
Hhaha Realcars what an idiot… stop spending time at school on this site, spend more time getting an eduction… you need it.
TP,
be sure to take a spoon of your own medicine and also get an education.
no come back on performance diesels hey?
i take your silence as acknowledgement of your poor knowledge.
i read an article on the prius a couple of months ago.
it pretty much siummarised that people were catching on to the prius propoganda and not diving for it as they initially were.
the other interesting thing was that apparently 90% of them are bought by the government………..
obviously the government wants people to think they actually care about the environment yet the private sector isnt fooled.
i think the whole “environmental issues” topic in relation to vehicles is a joke anyway. they just try to persuede the buyer by either taxing them or making them feel guilty
Diesels cannot compare to a Hybrid…. they fail on all accounts of why enviro-fairies buy these types of cars:
Emissions : They fail on this account, not only the level but more to the point, the shyte they emit, is far worse then petrol. In fact in some cases its linked to cancer.
Fuel : They only equal hybrids in fuel efficiency, now that may seem good but anyone with half a brain is aware Diesel COSTS MORE then regular fuel, so you lose out. Mind you again, another thing the Diesel fairies neglect, is the official figures of hybrids are based on a combined cycle, there will be users who drive in situations that predominantly uses the electric engine, in which case fuel consumption would be far better then Diesel!
Oil: It takes an esitmate 25% more oil to make the equivalent amount of diesel than it does for petroleum. Now we have passed someting called peak oil, fuel prices are getting higher… oil is getting more scarce… one of the major reason for hybrid/electric technology is this very fact, a diesel engine in this regard is a STEP BACKWARDS in oil efficiency, not a step foward like electric and hydrogen technology.
So based on this, what exactly dose Diesel offer…apart from cancer and deepening the energy crises?
Absolutly Andrew……..another form of marketing is all it is!
Id like to add, the fact these points I have mentioned are neglected by people here… is a perfect example of the marketing doing its effect re Diesel (such as that BMW advert… very nice you use Diesel idiots, but its a step back!). I find this mildly humerous given fairies here will claim hybrids are all marketing (not claiming they aernt, but what isnt?).
Really TP……someone should tell Honda seeing they canned the Hybrid Accord for a diesel version .
Cancer from diesel………hahahah Mate these days you get cancer from using the wrong bloody shampoo.
I personally am leaning to Hybrids in the sense diesel is a commodity that will also have supply issues and when they develop better batteries, recharging capabilities, etc as I have outlined (and may I add they will get it nutted out as they have made leaps and bounds in the short time they have spent on it…i.e lithion ion batteries now smaller and much huge capacity) then you will see diesel as irrelevant. So TP does raise some valid points and so does the other side…and as for the weak excuse of not supported by the public, that happens when technology changes and change it will!
Oh BM that MUST mean hybrids are worse… forget any other logical explanation for why they did it. Piss poor argument… address the points I made, I really want to see some of the fluff the likes of Andrew.M come up with… mind you Diesels HAVE been linked to cancer (Dont make me back it up with links!)
TP,
mate i was the one that told you about diesel particulates being linked to cancer so perhaps your link would be to where i said it………
diesels have driveability right here right now whereas hybrids dont.
how would a hybrid go on hway cycle?
combined figures heavily favour city driving.
i wonder why toyota hasnt put a hybrid around australia?
are they aware of the negative results they would return?
mate the fact is whether its a hybrid, diesel or LPG motor they are all reasonable alternatives until the “fulltime” replacement comes. hybrids still need a petrol donk attached to them dont forget
No Andrew not a very good reply, the MAJOR argument against Diesel is the fact it uses more oil to produce the same volume of fuel. Hypothetically if there was a shift to Diesel, we would all be worse off not only due to increased use of a scarce resource (oil) but also fuel prices would rise sharply, more sharply then petroleum which uses less oil for the same volume of diesel. The best alternative is hydrogen and then hybrids, which will lead to electrics. I mentioned at the end of my other posts what exactly does diesel offer (deepening energy crises or cancer), well here is what hybrids offer; the best oil consumption of any other vehicle (everyone switched over, demand decreases, supply remains relatively level, prices go down… with diesel, despite less fuel consumption of the vehicle there would in fact be the same demand on oil), the cheapest to run and most of all, investing in technology that will actually be useful in a decade.
TP,
a hybrid isnt the cheapest to run…….
a ford territory on LPG can run for less than a prius.
also what happens when we go plugins and the demand on the already strained power grid?
TP……….do you drive a Hybrid? If not ,why not? Id drive a diesel over a Hybrid any day if I gave 2 figs about this whole Carbon Footprint crap.
I have had this same argument before with Dingo and provided him links from a study that what done last year comparing the 2.
The only fluff I can see is in your Camry!
Just like to point out here that Ford made the first Hybrid SUV which is sold in America – the Ford Escape Hybrid – the “most fuel efficient suv on earth” according to their website.
Ford fans want to change your perspectives of hybrids now?
:p
Andrew back to LPG again, not only do cars no doubt not last as long (high combust temps) so more resources are requires in the respect (along with more energy) but its less efficient, 15L per 100, once you do the maths it isnt as cheap as some would like to think
BM of course you would, because you lack any knowledge on the topic… Ive highlights how Diesel is worse, you continue to neglect this fact, pure ignorance.
FofLmaTic goods points, so BM using your retarded logic like you did with Accord, Ford are using hyrbids mainly not diesels… hyrbids must be better!?!!?
Euro 4 compliant petrol and Diesel engines as with hybrid technology are all good advancements in the right direction based upon thier own merits.
Of all the true alternatives at present, hyrids are by far the most popular until other advancements come to fruition which is why most manufactuers including the long term critics such as Ford and GM towards such tech have decided to persue it themselves.
Infact – correct me if i am wrong but wasn’t GM making a big noise about thier hybrid technology at the recent Detroit Motorshow. First they critised Toyota and thier continued advancement of the programme but then they come out of the closet making alot of ‘whoo-haa’ about thier own involvment. Typical GM bullish attitude …
However, Toyota remains the undisputed leader of hybrid technology and have advanced beyond any other manufactuer to the point that other manufactuers such as Ford and Nissan now purchase dated Toyota technology just so they can enter the hyrid rink aswell otherwise each of them would have been left for dead in such a case.
In Toyota’s favour – not only are all thier new Petrol and Diesel engines Euro4 compliant (as with most others)but they excel at hybrid development beyond any other. Infact, it is the rest of the world trying to catch up to Toyota Hybrids … PURE AND SIMPLE.
For those ctritics, Toyota is also heavily involved with diesel engines as much as any other with all thier commercials and 4×4 vehicles coming with an array of next generation, efficent yet powerful selection of various diesel powerplants. Infact … Hino (another Toyota subsidary) is about to release a hybrid diesel for it’s truck range which will be avaliable in Australia within the next few months.
I aknowledge that Toyota Australia lacks diesel variants in thier everyday passenger cars but on the otherhand they (and Honda) still remain the only companies to deliver hybrid technology to our shores.
However, on a global level especially in Europe – Toyota diesel powered passneger cars are just as common as any other with a selction of 1.4, 1.6 and 2.2 diesel donks that can be found in many of thier everyday passenger cars such as the Yaris and Corolla to name only two.
Bavarian – i acknowledge that you are not a Toyota supporter but that doesn’t excuse you to be ignorant and arrogant towards Toyota’s own green movements especially considering on a whole they are excelling beyond the likes of Ford, GM and Crysler by a country mile.
Global warming is a global issue and on a global level Toyota has ever based covered every bit as much as the next player except for the fact they are the undisputed leaders of hybrid technology of which just happens to be the most popular and evolving alternative means then any other current project. may i remind you – yet again – that most manufactuers are now coming to the party that Toyota (and Honda) started after being critised that there will be ‘no show’
I guess they weren’t wrong after all !!
My retarded Logic did you read what you just wrote!
Ford like Toyota are making them cause they sell in the market cause of all the Environmental bull s h i t.
I guess as long as there are Green’s that demand environmentally safe cars manufacturers will supply them.
Wondered when you would show Dingo…..Global Warming hahaha
You believe in the Easter Bunny too.
TP,
mate for your sake you wouldnt want to go back to LPG topical conversation as you only humiliate your self with you un guided assumptions.
LPG motors actually can last longer and it is a well spoken bit of advice that you can push your sercice intervals out when running LPG
they only consume 15L/100k when used through the ancient LPG systems.
a vapour injected system will see only a mere 1L increase in consumption and in some instances an increase in power not to mention the torque advantage that is already common
AKA,
if hybrids are by far the more popular option then how come Diesel and LPG sales are blitzing them?
only the government is buying the hybrids that are getting sold too
BM,
and to back up the global warming B/S that is spoken, it is a fact that the whole in the ozone layer is shrinking.
they already have a date of when it will be fully healed.
so in typical fassion when it does heal itself all the governments will be dancing saying “we did it we did it” rather than acknowledging it heals itself
its just like the water crisis. they use scare tactics to implement silly laws whilst they can
RO – Ford hybrid technology is infact purchased ‘dated’ Toyota hybrid tech. Just so Ford could enter their own market in a resonable time frame they approach Toyota for assistance which lead to an agreemwnt where FoMoCo could purchase dated Toyota tech.
A similar case was with Nissan whom’s first hybrid car on the US market was the 2.5 4cyl Ultima which utilises a dated hybrid system.
Just to add … wether Ford purchasing dated Toyota tech agreement was a ‘one off’ or a continuing arrangement i am not sure about.
Andrew – it is fantastic news that the hole in the Ozone is shrinking but that DOES NOT excuse the fact that ‘we’ – human habitates – rest on our lourels and stop persuing and practising greener behaviour.
Yep Andrew I saw something recently about this whole argument.
Even those that use to profess the whole world is melting argument have jumped the fence of reason.
Gee Im glad we weren’t around with the Dinosaurs ,or we would have got the blame for them dying too.
Hey BM…babe, can you tell me where you saw this as would like to research better babe! ANDREW M…ABOUT THE OZONE LAYER – what supportive evidence is there? Sorry to jam up posts here, just email it someone as I suspected it would have to cyclic change and go back again!
Free procreation…nothing like it and the bigger the population gets the more stretched the resources will be and the more we have to adapt and change! Maybe control the population so it does NOT keep rising is my cure! If one skirts around this….which coffee shop do you have your Latte at as this is clear reality!
Agree with GUESS WHO.
When I build homes for clients, I have to comply with some principles under BASIX Energy Efficiency requirements which make me scratch my head a lot. We try to reduce GREENHOUSE GASES and sometimes now I have to advise clients to put in air conditioning or ceiling fans all over the place….air conditioning is not a small emitter of GREENHOUSE GASES when big units! Everywhere one looks and backflips! Then my clients should be made to install a certain number of lightfittings, or long life globes and have timers on power points all as standard to enable products to be switched off automatic when on standby!
Anyway, dont get me started on the BASIX!!!!
NM,
im hearing you mate.
yep as long as people spend 3k on a solar or gas hot water system it doesnt matter how many A/C’s you put in. figure that one out.
AKA,
well maybe you would be also excited to learn that the ozone actually heals itself……..
how many trees did you plant this week?
and how many fluro light bulbs did you install?
NM,
i cant remember where i saw it. it was a while ago but im sure related stories would be on the web somewhere.
it isnt a cyclic thing but rather toe ozones natural ability to heal itself.
and what supportive evidence is there?
well those that actually study it.
and what supportive evidence is there that the world is “warming”?
Great point on the proof on if heating up!
The heat is on! I have watched and been on this site and seen things heat up and get quite boisterous and testosterone driven and just when you think it cant get any hotter….TP drops in or FRUGAL ONE or even myself and maybe you throw the temperature gauge right up! Now – if only we could grille some like TP as at times he makes me shake my head in disbelief! You know the others I refer to Andrew M. Ha Ha Ha
Bavarian – i strongly and whole heartedly believe you are an extremely ignorant individual whom displays a complete lacks of knowledge on many topics. However, i have noted that once challenged you become somewhat arrogant and rather silly with your responses.
Put it this way – scientists have a far greater reputation with thier research then someone like yourself who is often challenged in expressing maturity.
If you wish not to acknowledge global warming then that is completely OK but thank-god emmensly that the bulk of the worlds population have a differing opinion otherwise we would have ended up like GM … stuck in the dark years struggly to grasp the reality of modern society.
Cheers
GUESS WHO…I agree with the ozone layer and would need to clarify whether it is self healing by themselves. Like it seems bit hard to fathom.
Must say dont hold scientists 100% correct as many things they backflip on…hell I went to get a skin cancer checkup and the guy looked for ages and I queried him on one spot on forearm. He said “No thats a maturity spot”. I told him “Mate, you arent Kramer off Seinfeld and dont know how you claim that. Just cut it out deep now”. He said “You dont need to”. He cut it out and low and behold much to my shock it was skin cancer just barely starting. So much for scientists and the cerebral thinking man does! Begs a lot of questions…hey the quack was stunned!
AKA,
mate BM is right.
am im not just saying that. many a times i have stood my ground against BM when i believe it isnt true or if she is going over the top.
sorry but many scientists do have proof that it is healing.
where is the proof that it is warming??
ill try and find something to keep you happy
also do you remember the moon landing?
so was that real or not??
Gee Dingo and you think I’m ignorant.Bulk of the population are brain washed….just like you.Anyone with any intelligence can see there’s no proof thats the earth’s warming cause of pollution.
awwww shucks Andrew thanks for your kind words……you and I haven’t gone head to head for ages I think most of the time we agree on things.Early days I was just a tad extreme I guess hehehe…..I guess you and I now go back further than most on this site as mates.
Ozone is just a fancy molecule of of Oxygen with 3 oxygen atoms instead of 2.
It’s made from normal oxygen atoms when they are subject to radiation (as they are far up in the atmosphere). But whem more radiation hits ozone it breaks back to normal oxygen and this cycle is how it stops UV rays killing us all :)
When people used CFC compounds in pesticides etc, these chemicals reacted with the ozone, breaking it back to normal oxygen, and thus the radiation is able to get through. THe problem is that the compounds can keep breaking down ozone over and over again thousands of times.
Off course when we realised how bad CFC’s were and stopped making them… and the CFC’s in the atmosphere began to break down the equilibrium is slowly but surely being restored.
I don’t see how this process disproves global warmimg though.
BM – go to any search engine and search for “greenhouse effect”. If you want to streamline the search you might want to search for “greenhouse effect causes”.
It’s a fact that Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas.
It’s also a fact that the Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere are 20% more than they were 50 years ago.
Or maybe these are just facts that “they” have brainwashed us who have bothered to do any research on the matter with.
RoFlmaTiC,
its not all run to the hills stuff though.
firstly there has been no proof of rising global temperature. here is a quote on benefits of higher co2 levels……….
QUOTE……………
“In fact, there are many benefits associated with increased atmospheric CO. Doubling CO levels will favor bigger plants and may increase average crop yields by an estimated 33 percent. More atmospheric CO allows plants to grow using less water by reducing evapotranspiration – water evaporating after it is released from plants’ pores. Precipitation and soil moisture may rise, and droughts may become less frequent.
Amidst the uncertainties, one thing is certain: Some groups benefit if the public believes global warming is a genuine crisis that can only be stopped with massive political mobilization. Irresponsible efforts by these groups fuel fears of widespread drought and crop failures, of super powerful hurricanes, of oceans engulfing coastal cities, and of blazing summer temperatures. How do they gain by hyping global warming?”
oh and good to see someone else agrees the “hole” is shrinking. yep CFCs were the killer for it but they are all banned now
Search for “2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison” for a scientific graph of world temperatures. I can’t directly link the picture without having this post moderated, at which time 100 more posts would have come up.
I dunno, my personal opinion is that we’re sort of screwed no matter what :) NM hit the nail on the head… no matter what we try to do its the world population that is the problem.
Hybrids won’t single handedly save the world, they will just help our consumer mentalities survive once oil prices hit $5 dollars a litre.
Andrew M sorry but I think your making baseless comments re LPG… higher combustion temps means its not going to last longer, I dont think you have any evidence to suggest otherwise. And then poor efficiency, well Ford currently get like 15L per 100km, are you saying they have bad technology? The Holden system which is arguably the best in Australia also returns poor consumption and lower power.
TP,
baseless comments are they?
well take a look at this quote……….
“Running your engine on Autogas is beneficial to your car. LPG is a cleaner burning fuel than petrol, so engine life is actually extended. Engine oil and spark plugs need changing less often when running on Autogas, so service intervals can be increased.”
also on hwy cycle the falcon gets sub 10L/100k
but in a nut shell yes the current falcon LPG system is outdated.
holden doesnt fit LPG systems to their vehicle so how is theirs better.
it is actually an aftermarket fitment that they recommend to be fitted to commodores rather than one holden produces themselves.
also the commodore system returns worse economy than the outdated falcons system.
the commodores cant use the same system as the falcons as the plastic intake on the commys is too delicate and risks being damaged if there is a backfire which is common to the older systems
a good demonstration of a decent Vapour injected system fitted to a territory returns 13L/100k only 1 litre more than the petrol equivalent
if you want links let me know (and be prepared to wait for moderation),
but i think its obvious you dont know what the hell you are talking about
oh but yes the commodore system is more modern even though it returns worse economy than the falcons.
the system holden recommends doesnt lose that much power compared to the falcons system
it is certainly not the best system though when i could refer you to systems that actually claim a power increase
i dont suppose you have ever compared oil from an LPG motor to a petrol motor have you? didnt think so.
i have held a dipstick from a LPG motor with 15,000ks against a camry dipstick with 5,000ks.
just so you know the camrys oil had half gone brown whereas the higher travelled LPG donk was still golden.
and im not just having a go at camrys it just so happens to have been a camry i held it against. many other petrol donks would show a similar comparison
RoFlmaTiC,
here is another quote for you,
QUOTE………………….
“While ground-level temperature measurements suggest the earth has warmed between 0.3 and 0.6 degrees Celsius since 1850, global satellite data, the most reliable of all climate measurements, shows no evidence of warming during the past 18 years.
Even if earth’s temperature has increased slightly, the increase is well within the natural range of known temperature variation over the last several thousand years. Indeed, the earth experienced greater warming between the 10th and 15th centuries — a time when vineyards thrived in England and Vikings colonised Greenland and built settlements in Canada.
Scientists do not agree that human activity measurably affects global climate. The evidence supporting this theory is weak. Most scientific experts directly concerned with climate thoroughly reject the theory.
A Gallup poll found that only 17 percent of the members of the Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Society think that the warming of the 20th century has been a result of greenhouse gas emissions — principally CO2 from burning fossil fuels.”
If Andrews Claims/Statements about LPG Systems are baseless then it would probably be the first time.. as Andrew often does a fair bit of research from other sources to back up what he says..
Whereas in the past you have made several baseless claims about the features etc on various cars – mainly because you tend to agree with what some other arrogant/ignorant un-informed moron has said
Not only that BUT on several occassions you have “switched sides” [back and forth.. for and against etc] often on the same blog which makes it even harder for others to respect you let alone trust/believe what you say
BTW I believe Andrews Ute is LPG so he should know a bit about them and the economy that he can get from it
wheelnut and andrew m….FACT IS I HAVE A BF LPG UTE. SO CORRECT.
YES THE OIL IN MY UTE IS STILL A CRISP GOLDEN BROWN AND THE OIL IN NON-LPG WOULD BE STARTING TO GO DARKER.
THE FORD LPG MOTOR IS BETTER IN THE SENSE THAT IT IS SOLELY AN LPG DEDICATED MOTOR WHEREAS DUEL FUEL HAVE NOT THE SAME ECONOMY DUE TO ITS INTERNAL CONFIGURATION AND SETUP. THUS DO >>>>>>>>>>NOT>>>>>>>>>>NOT
…..compare economies of falcon and ve as the ve as more uneconomical
Very interesting point there… definitely a new fact for me!
Back on topic though… the FT-HS is not about showcasing the fuel efficiency of hybrids – it was Toyota showcasing how hybrid technology can be harnessed for performance. This concept car has been around for a while now.
Electric engines can produce effortless linear torque from 0 RPM – a property that combustion engines cannot match. It’s effectively 3.5L making in excess of 300kw – without the aid of a turbo/supercharger. Off course you might say, wait on, this car has 2 engines so isn’t that effectively more displacement? As far as I know, this car doesn’t require any sort of plugging in and the electric motor just caddies off the fuel, just like in other hybrid cars.
Also one would expect the electric engine to be far quieter than equivalently powered petrol cars, meaning less weight is needed for sound dampening. Perhaps one of the ways they have managed to keep this car reasonably light.
This shouldn’t be a debate between diesel and hybrid technology – it’s not a relevant debate in the context of this vehicle. I have yet to come across a 3.5L diesel engine which produces 300kw n/a.
As if anyone would by this car because it’s fuel efficient!!!
ok Wheelnut you idiot… before this moderation drivel I was the only person to back most things up that I said.
AndrewM can you link that quote, it sounds like a marketing statement… which itself is baseless. Hell I wont wait, quick google, its a copy and paste job off auto gas australia site, AndrewM did you expect them to say its worse for your engine? Find some better supporting evidence, third party is usually the way.
Hey you want to see economy take a look at this…..
From the Top 10 fuel economic cars in Britain.
Number 1…..diesel
SEAT Ibiza Ecomotive, 74.3mpg
SEAT Ibiza Ecomotive
The Spanish company’s tidy three-door supermini shoots straight to the top of our fuel-efficiency chart, courtesy of well-judged aero mods and an incredibly economical 1.4-litre turbodiesel engine. Gear ratios normally seen on intercontinental trains, plus tweaks here and there to reduce friction, boost economy to a remarkable 74.3mpg. Yet don’t think it’s slug-like. It still hits 60mph in 12.8 seconds and goes on to 109mph. When has economical driving ever been this satisfying? It even gets air con as standard, for £10,995 all-in. The Ibiza will be replaced in 2008, so there’s even potential there to haggle dealers down from that bargain-tastic list price.
Hey NO NAME can you believe I just did that….hehehe.
I have a dedicated LPG AU ute and agree with Andrew M.
The oil looks as good as the day it was replaced even after 15,000klms and this is out of an engine with 240,000klms on it! Also the top end of the motor is still like new i.e never any valve train noise at start up even in winter and the ute isn’t garaged.
TP…….you keep believing in yourself and maybe you will to believe what your saying,cause we don’t!
What a load of crap,you were the only one backing it up,pffttt .You may find that when we gave the facts you would ignore them,perhaps that’s why you cant remember to apologise when your wrong, I guess you have to acknowledge your wrong before you can admit it to others………
Seems Wheelnut hit a nerve with you….that makes him smart not an idiot!grrrr
I don’t know why Andrew bothered cause countless times hes proved his case to you as others and you still disallow the truth.
TP – you say that you believe everything that you have said in the past and you believe that you are right.
If this is true I admire you for that. However as I have said on a number of occassions in one blog you say X cars are the best and Y are crap then you say that its the other way around.. you are so easily swayed
You would gain more respect if you stuck by your original statement/belief until you were presented with substantial evidence which proved otherwise at which point its okay for you to adopt a new way of thinking or even admit that you were wrong.
However even though you have never actually said that youre wrong you are virtually admitting it by switching sided as often as you do..
And that’s why a number of people don’t really listen to what you say.. if youre not sure about what you are saying how can the people you are saying it to be sure.
TP,
well if the facts from the horses mouth isnt good enough for you then what is.
that particular LPG site doesnt benefit from LPG sales so i dont see how it is a marketing statement.
its funny how once i told of how i have actually seen the difference in oil burn that many others who unlike yourself have actually experienced an LPG motor are quick to agree.
where is your proof to say LPG motors wear more and require frequent servicing?
its also funny how your acceleration test video you linked came from a toyota site isnt it………
grow up and realise not everything operates how you wish it would
wheelnut,
thats what gets me too mate,
one minute its “hsv brake fade” HSV dinosaur donks” yada yada yada
then when its an article showcasing FPV’s its of HSV know where they are going YADA YADA YADA
oh and then the mazda6 V mondeo examples
do you want a link to prove that when you said falcons dont have auto headlights that you were wrong?
^^^oh but wait a link from the ford site showcasing that they actually have been fitting auto headlights since BA falcon would just be marketing hype right? pffffft
Ahhhh your back,Im off to paint my nails and read womens weekly.haha back soon.
Waaahay Missile – I did believe you said all that. You’re the new diesel crusader. woooo snigger snigger.
Guess who – you stated All Toyotas engines are Euro 4 compliant, the have to be or they would not be on the road, Do they have an Euro 5 compliant? VAG do!!! Large slice of humble pie coming your way dude.
hey you….morning!
You think I could take over your job?
Do you wear your underware over your tights? We could become the Diesel Duo…..hehehe
Different day same result…TOYOTA v HOLDEN v FORD. Cant help but notice TP is at core of most stuff! “HARDCORE HOFF” is his new name! Able to google all crap and wherever he finds it it still has to be proven as anybody can write anything up…seems like he is good at picking that bone up like a dog and walking around this website with it! I think he believes himself fully!
news flash people!!!!!!!!!!
dont believe anything you read off of car advice as it is only an auto site and its all marketing hype
(just ask TP about that)
^^^
sorry i mean ask “HOFF”
noname – mmmmm … humble pie – can i have some yummy ice cream and strawberries with that.
Mmmmm …. now i’m drulling…. mmmm …. carn’t wait…. mmmm…. giveme, giveme, giveme ….. mmmmm…. yummy humble pie !!
Anyway – i’m of to another site because this has just about sizzled out of any further fun.
cheers
***********Primo…HARDCORE HOFF************
dugeuro cotuy densape TP porta Ha Ha Ha
Cheers:
NM
Footnote:
Dont believe anything you read off of car advice as it is only an auto site and its all marketing hype
(just ask TP about that)
Note to self………make Dingo new humble pie tomorrow,clearly enjoyed the one he ate tonight from the UK!
Better still read caradvice as everything on here is unreal, its just some bottle coke glassed cardigan wearers have tunnel vision for one thing or one car maker.
Footnote to the TOYOTA PULLERS OUT THERE…
All Toyota’s are not top of class, thus variety is the spice of life so like other cars as well. If problems persist with tunnel vision for TOYOTA’S – consult your doctor or it some case the couch and professional…Ha Ha Ha
Primo humble pie! WOW that would of been worth tickets to sit up high above his computer and look at his disgust!
Hey NM…..old Chinese proverb
Man who walk through airport turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.
Guess who – come back we need you for the crack dude.
Pants clearly on the inside Bavaria Beauty. I knew you’d see the light, I’ll have to start calling myself Bob Parr from ‘The Incredibles’
Good night all. Sunny as hell here but chilly.
this car has the right idea with the hybrid but the look of it looks to futuristic n shoulkd look more like the supra but sorry toyota have the best ideas but have the worst looks and thats what gets people today