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TP,
maybe it doesnt pass the 200kw mark but im sure it will pass the aurion for sure in a straight line.
also ive read it has lost weight and bettered fuel economy in the process.
perhaps they had to leave it at 195KW to keep under the 10L/100k mark??? perhaps it will land at 9.9L or better aswell?
either way they still get better economy out of it especially considering it is .5L bigger than the Aurion V6
also perhaps they dont want it to out shine the new poxy V6 that is coming. at present the proposed V6 only gets 195kw too. surely by the time it comes it will be at 210kw or something meaning people will still gradually step up in power.
also i question the Aurions “most powerfull” claims as the power is useless if it isnt accompanied by torque to back it up.
could this be the first australian car to achieve a 5 star ancap rating? if it does and the car is lighter than the bf then ford deserve every accolade going.
Torque is what wins races and Ford have that. No other OZ car comes close to those torque figures in 2008 and it never will. New falcon startin at 391Nm so does any other standard six have that. FORD wins again.
As a side note Andrew.M, can’t remember where I read it, but someone suggested future P-plate restrictions may have played a part too. I don’t know anything about that, we’ll have to see.
TP comparing an aurion to a falcon is crazy ,have you driven one or are you one of the very few who own one .Its strange that toyota call a camry a medium car and try to flog off the aurion as a large car(the game did’nt change)falcon V commodore .
JT,
oh but the game did change mate……
dont you remember the aurion was placed against VR commodores in the advert for the aurion?
tough B-a-s-t-a-r-d-s at toyota ha ha ha ha ha
go back and play in the kindergarden sandpit toyota so you look good again
Watto,
so is 200kw+ off limits to P Platers now too?
i think 150kw is plenty for them anyhow.
just have a look at the amount of them that are getting killed in 150kw commodores………..
Lcat,
i saw a video on the safety and their high expectations on the safest aussie car title. (well they have always claimed it i suppose)
they say they wont get it individually tested straight away as they want to let the hype around the vehicle release to die down first and then get more publicity out of the crash results
I don’t know Andrew.M. I read something about it a while ago, and am having trouble finding it again.
So, does anyone know if there were weight savings in other areas yet? Or what it’s official mass is?
Hey BM, Andrew.M, check the “interior” blog. Funny quote I put up from Ford.
TP………after seeing that the Cobra has 313 kws at the Flywheel not 302 I wouldn’t count your chickens before their hatched on exactly how much they really do have in the new Fords…..
Lets wait for a test till we start speculating on who has what!
ANTI-SPAM word Holden….just for you Abb man!hahaha
Seems we have our own Ford Forum today…..cool!
Dammit, I have to start saving “favorites” when I see something interesting.
I’m not too up on the different ways power/torque is measured. You know “DIN” and stuff like that so you could help me out BM.
When the “leaked” CGIs of the FPVs were released in Wheels last year, around the same time they also did dyno tests on all the performance variants from Ford/FPV and Holden/HSV.
When equating claimed power figures versus actual rear wheel kilowatts on a dyno, it tended to be the Fords/FPV and HSV were exaggerated, where as the SS actually produced more power versus the official figures.
Anyway, my point about wishing I’d saved references is that recently it was stated Ford were switching to Holdens more conservative power measurement method (I can’t remember what it was called, DIN something?) so they may be making more power than stated.
I forgot to say, hence why the SS did so well in the “Bang for your Bucks”.
Watto_Cobra this is the only ref to weight i’ve seen.
“weight almost unchanged The all-new Ford FG Falcon has gained only 10 kilos despite a safer body structure and more equipment. …” from drive.com.au
Thanks Lcat.
What did the VE gain? 100+kgs?
I expected a “little” weight gain for safety reasons. Losing a specific 26kgs off front suspension and intake manifold, they’ve used that to offset the new features/safety. Apparently fully expecting a five star rating.
Hey Watto what do you want to know?
Din {German}is the metric system that we bascially use here in Austalia taken at the Flywheel……..
RWHP …….is taken at the rear wheels,from memory 25% of power is lost through the drive train.
There are a few ways of determining HP……these are just a few….
Ross is the guru of tech stuff babe Im sure he will be more than happy to help you if you give him a quick email….he is very technical though…..smarty pants!hahaha
Anyone read about the exhaust for the new GT……seems to have the same system as the Astons have…….can flow to straight through system when your on it….so that will be where they will be picking up their extra power along with different ratio Tremacs{yippy}than the previous to help it accelerate!
I recon Holden just breathed a sigh of relief.
$800 million for a face lift?
I recon people will hardly notice it’s the new Falcon on the road, so much for all this big talk.
Oh, and lovin’ the interior styling cues taken straight from the VE – two tone identical colour choice, centre info screen in between gauge binnacles. Not to the mention the exterior, I dont even wanna go there.
Gone of the days where you could easily tell a VB Commodore from a XD Falcon.
The similarities between the two now are just ridiculous, I laugh at all you people saying its gonna kick the Commodores arse. It’s the same figgen car!
I recon Ford just breathed a sigh of relief.
VE = 1 billion for a face lift?
I recon people will hardly notice it’s the new commodore on the road, so much for all this big talk.
Oh, and lovin’ the interior styling cues taken straight from the FG – two tone identical colour choice, centre info screen in between gauge binnacles. Not to the mention the exterior, I dont even wanna go there.
Gone of the days where you could easily tell a VB Commodore from a XD Falcon.
The similarities between the two now are just ridiculous, I laugh at all you people saying its gonna kick the Falcons arse. It’s the same figgen car!
Oh the maturity in the place. You can’t half tell why you’re too scared to hide behind someone elses name. Run away my little child, come back when you finally sit for your L’s test.
Oh, and by the way, the VE was designed from the ground up. Hardly call that a facelift, but I doubt you know the meaning of the word anyway.
Oh, for the record, I own a Ford and don’t own a Commodore. But…, it’s a very old Ford, you wouldn’t know about those ;)
Great stuff here. Loving it. Best looking Falcon in 20 years. Safest Falcon ever (we hope). G Series actually looks like a luxury car.
Much more sleek, curvaceous & aerodynamic than the VE, which combines the squareness of a Volvo 240 with the morbid obesity of a Chevrolet Suburban.
And, on a more pedantic note, the door handles have undergone their biggest change in 20 years.
Holden commodore VE is only a 4 star in world class safety. So what the hell did they spend there billion dollars on. There engines are gutless and trannys dont work properly. New FG is allready rated a 5 star in world class safety. Nowonder Ford is the best aussie made car in the world.
Oh and BK.. engines are gutless? Consider a 13.2 quater mile gutless. Grow up and get the facts before guessing what the real world is like… 307kw gutless, 270kw gutless… LOL @ the old XR6T at 240kw…
Took holden 35 years to get to 300Kw so why so long. Drive a Ford cause we had that power back in the 70s with the worlds fastest 4 door sedan and still now. Wouldnt be fair if Ford over powered Holden again. We have to let Holden catch up and its taken 35 years to do it. Get yu facts right Ghis GT why buy a holden for $35,000 when you can get a falcon for $750,000. Shame shame shame to a (oldhen) or is it holden or GM or opal or what ever name it. Does anybody know what a VE really is??
^^Wait and see smart arse! Holden will not let ford stomp on them!!!!!!!!!! Holden will beat ford when they bring out the VF in 2 years time! Not 35 years!
Holden spent more money on the Commodore than ford mainly because of the all new platform! Not like ford, still using the same old crap AU platform started 11 years ago! It’s 2008 Ford not 1997!
Holden will never be a aussie icon like a XYGTHO phase III Falcon. For 750,000 bucks its gonna be more than 35 yrs for holden to catch up its gonna be never catch up to Ford. For a billion dollars holden still a 4 star rating.
Duck, what wrong with the platform Ford’s using? Sure it’s an old design. But whats the problem with that?
Um BK Holden said before when the VE was going to be released they said it was going to be a 5 star but it didnt so when the falcon comes out it may be a 4 star too!
Oz, its not an old platform, in fact the platform is 80% NEW.
Oz.,
Its just because people are saying holden have lost heaps and heaps of money compared to ford thats mainly because ford have used the same platform over ten years now, not like Holden, thats all!
Duck,
but up until 18mths ago the commodore platform was shyte.
oh and when you say platform what exactlly do you mean?
suspension included or just the bare steel that the panels grow upward from?
Doubt the Falcon will beat Aurion in straight line, less power on top of more power lost at wheels and only abit of a torque adv given extra weight (even with weight reduction still fair bit heavier… I doubt they reduced weight thouh tbh, you dont add for eg curtain airbags and other features and lose weight unless they actually designed a totally new platform, which they didnt)
For blind holden drivers who crash there cars and die in a unsafe commodore.
So how can the new Falcon still look the same and have the same features when its a eighth generation falcon. Holden people must be really blind. New falcon has more safety features than holden and toyota. FG falcon has all new sheetmetal and interior, upgraded engines and chassis and a improvement in safety structure that is expected to be the first five star NCAP safety rating for an Australian built car. Ford have to do it first because they are way ahead in technology than all the other cars
BK,
Will you ever shut up!
DIDNT YOU HEAR ME? HOLDEN SAID BEFORE WHEN THEY RELEASED THE COMMODORE THEY SAID THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE FIVE STARS BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE FOUR! SO THE FALCON ID SAY MIGHT COME OUT AS A FOUR STAR TOO!
And guess what BK, do you know whats so sad about the current ford falcon RTV its ONLY GOT ONE AIRBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And your going on about safety!
Apparently the VE is said to be as safe as the VZ and VY
Holden’s official response was that ANCAP doesn’t represent real world conditions, and that 80 cars were crash-tested during the VE’s development in addition to more than 5,000 computer-simulated barrier tests.
Holden also said…….We acknowledge that ANCAP exists and that it has a purpose but we don’t design our cars for ANCAP”
But if the falcon does come out as a five star it will not effect sales for the VE. But if the falcon does come out as a 5 star holden with the new car the VF will make it 5 star.
poor old duck doesnt like to see his VE get beaten. Theres about 10,000 things better about the new falcon compared to your old VE. Maybe these new falcons will be worth 750,000 dollars one day cause they are 5 star rating. GTHO
BK,
But ford have not confirmed it yet and it has not been tested by ANCAP yet!
BK,
Old VE what are you on?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????
It was two years ago weirdo when the VE was first released!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the ve is ugly but has all the goodies inside,the new xt is a very good lookin car when compared to an omega.And to those who think it like a bf,get your eyes checked because this is new inside and out.Now im off to adelaide clipsal 500 to blow away russell ingall in his new holden ve.
VE is over the hill and way way behind in Fords technology. Moe safety features on Fords , faster, more power, torque and the list goes on and on. Just to good VE is oldhen now not holden.
Cant bloody spell correctly BK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!! Sucker!!!!! ford only made a more powerful engine because the commodore has been flogging the falcon in power for now a decade, so they are the ones cathing up!!!!!!!!
Not only that Duck.. but when ANCrAP did the Tests on the VE and the Aurion.. Holden had only jsut started Production of the VE and was concentrating on getting enough cars out to the major dealers.. Therefore they only provided 4 cars.. al of which passed.
Whereas Toyota initially provided 5 cars.. 4 Passed the last one failed.. so they provided another car [at therie own expense] which failed and another and another which finally passed.
Which is why I say ANCrAp don’t test the safety of a particular Model like the Commodore or Aurion they tet the safety of a particular car of that model.
So why the VE or the Barina ANCrAp used in their tests may have failed the one in your drive might actually pass
Craig Lowndes, If you were here id punch you!
You changed from HOLDEN TO FORD YOU IDIOT WHAT WERE YOU THINKING! You were doing so well with holden. Swithing from holden to ford is like swithing to an aussie to a kiwi (no offense)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So i hope your ford crashes and burns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ford have seen where other cars have failed in safety so thats why Ford make the new falcon safer than all the others. Its the first all aussie made car with a 5 star rating. Ford have been easily poundin holdens away in engines to. 60s, 70s and 80s was dominated by “BOSS” v8 falcons and then it was the 6 cylinders turn to chew up holdens. I cant think of a holden engine or is there such thing as a Holden engine that can compete with a Ford engine. These Ford typhoons do have the highest torque output from any aussie muscle car.
Good to hear it’s not completly a carry over Bret.
Somone has stated in the past that the Aurion and Commodore did not get 5 stars because ANCAP requires a payment to perform certain tests which are required for it… if this was true then I wouldnt be attacking the Commodore and indeed the Aurion for safety (certainly ironic though given the Falcon was behind the 8 call for half a year or so in terms of safety… no curtains, no esp)
I got sick of the old holden,look at ingall hes back its about money and my skills to bring ford to victory.Keep an eye on the bf falcon lets hope skaifey crashes, hes a wanker that guy.Remember last year f ckin BANG!
TP is absolutely right. My own understanding varies only slightly from his, in that Toyota and Holden were required to supply a vehicle at their own expense for side-impact pole tests.
With this done, it was virtually assured that the cars would have earned 5 stars, but the makers refused. The cost of a $30,000 car seems a very small outlay to get a marketable 5 stars, in my view.
Watch them. If Ford achieves 5 stars, Holden and Toyota will come up with the goods. Competition does this.
ford has proven that they continuously offer the safest australian vehicle.
im sure there past reputation on safety must count for something when people predict that the new falcon will go to the top once again.
Duck,
dont be so bitter about the Lowndes departure from holden.
it is well documented that he left as he didnt like the way the team was heading (with walkinshaws involvement)
the next holden driver i would invite to fords camp would be Todd Kelly. he too has been shafted by holden and kicked out of the team where his efforts exceded his co-drivers. (thats good old tom at work again)
perhaps its because todd like lowndes are actually nice guys and dont fit with the other bunch of tools in holdens Walkinshaw den.
also you would be in the majority that would want to put one on lowndes’s chin as he is constantly voted “most liked”