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		<title>By: rxct800</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/10283/steve-bracks-to-head-industry-review/#comment-56967</link>
		<dc:creator>rxct800</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering what Bracks is being asked to do $2k isn&#039;t all that much money. There are consultants out there with much higher asking prices. 

Labour handing the job to another Labour person is a moot point as all politicians help their mates out.

It&#039;s all well and good for us to say build efficient cars or increase exports, now give me $2k a day. However, there would be a royal inquiry if Bracks was to say something as simple as that. 

Whoever takes on this job will have to produce a report that soundly identifies the issues and presents reasonable and actionable solutions. Solutions that are acceptable to the general public, the automotive industry, and politicians.

I wouldn&#039;t mind taking up the job as it&#039;s my line of work (not specifically automotive), but, I don&#039;t think the Opposition nor the general public would be too impressed if Labour hired some nobody with no political ties or experience in the automotive industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering what Bracks is being asked to do $2k isn&#8217;t all that much money. There are consultants out there with much higher asking prices. </p>
<p>Labour handing the job to another Labour person is a moot point as all politicians help their mates out.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all well and good for us to say build efficient cars or increase exports, now give me $2k a day. However, there would be a royal inquiry if Bracks was to say something as simple as that. </p>
<p>Whoever takes on this job will have to produce a report that soundly identifies the issues and presents reasonable and actionable solutions. Solutions that are acceptable to the general public, the automotive industry, and politicians.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t mind taking up the job as it&#8217;s my line of work (not specifically automotive), but, I don&#8217;t think the Opposition nor the general public would be too impressed if Labour hired some nobody with no political ties or experience in the automotive industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Realcars</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If that&#039;s the case well I think I&#039;ll re-educate as a Mining engineer. 

It&#039;s got to come from the top down and it isn&#039;t.

It is really depressing. I now know how Button felt. I suppose that&#039;s why he always looked so tortured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that&#8217;s the case well I think I&#8217;ll re-educate as a Mining engineer. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s got to come from the top down and it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It is really depressing. I now know how Button felt. I suppose that&#8217;s why he always looked so tortured.</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realcars - I can&#039;t imagine for one minute that the average management &amp; shop floor Australian will even consider working like Japanese productions worker.

If you&#039;re not happy with your leaders then vote them out, or even better put yourself forward...It won&#039;t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realcars &#8211; I can&#8217;t imagine for one minute that the average management &amp; shop floor Australian will even consider working like Japanese productions worker.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re not happy with your leaders then vote them out, or even better put yourself forward&#8230;It won&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Realcars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a tip for nothing!

Study the Japs and Koreans and copy them.Their attitude work ethic at management level down.

Both sides of the house are full of wankers!

Why doesn&#039;t Rudd include it in his 2 day talk fest. Gee won&#039;t that be productive.

We are led by morons that is the problem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a tip for nothing!</p>
<p>Study the Japs and Koreans and copy them.Their attitude work ethic at management level down.</p>
<p>Both sides of the house are full of wankers!</p>
<p>Why doesn&#8217;t Rudd include it in his 2 day talk fest. Gee won&#8217;t that be productive.</p>
<p>We are led by morons that is the problem!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The person who started the rumour that Steve Bracks is getting $2000 a day sits on the opposition bench.
They are a tad bitter at the moment.
It is nowhere near $2000.
Obvious you lot only listen to one side of the political divide &amp; the Murdoch press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The person who started the rumour that Steve Bracks is getting $2000 a day sits on the opposition bench.<br />
They are a tad bitter at the moment.<br />
It is nowhere near $2000.<br />
Obvious you lot only listen to one side of the political divide &amp; the Murdoch press.</p>
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		<title>By: Realcars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember commentators remarking about Buttons brilliance at the time.

You know the guy with the big dent in his forehead. 

What a drube. He always came across as someone fighting his inner demons.

Theres an idea maybe they can get him on the committee?
May as well get in for another chop before it all goes down the chute!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember commentators remarking about Buttons brilliance at the time.</p>
<p>You know the guy with the big dent in his forehead. </p>
<p>What a drube. He always came across as someone fighting his inner demons.</p>
<p>Theres an idea maybe they can get him on the committee?<br />
May as well get in for another chop before it all goes down the chute!</p>
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		<title>By: Realcars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wankers think that 2k a day is justified to find out what every man and his dog already knows.

Another report to justify another hand out to the Australian Automotive Industry. The irony is that the Companies involved will continue down the same path regardless.

If this country wasn&#039;t one big mine (thank god &amp; China) we would really be in the shitter. We start from the advantage point of being a first world country and we are slowly but surely loosing this advantage as our politicians and so called Captains of Industry all feed at the same trough.

Bracks and his elk are laughing at all of us as they go through the motions of another tax payer funded junket.
How convenient another half a million or so in his kit after retirement.

And I bet the Korean and Japanese Captains are far more dedicated to their cause and are paid substantially less and are motived by national pride to succeed and hard work.
Unfortunately Australian Management/ Executives do not know what hard work is.

We have adopted the American model where the people running the show have no allegiance to anyone or anything but their own greed.

Japanese and Korean Governments have worked with Industry from day one and the resultant success is one of national pride.

It easy to blame labor costs but is this an issue when Japan has a higher living standard and besides with robotics what they are the Automotive Industry is one of the least labor intensive industries today.

Unfortunately the Captains that we pay millions to via subsidy and the Politicians have let this Industry down over several successive decades. The writing has been on the wall for years and they haven&#039;t had the competence to read it.

Toyota is far and away the most successful local manufacturer as it is run by Japanese Management. Forget the Australian management stooge&#039;s that appear on our press. The real decisions are made by the real Japanese managers and the oz managers are kept on the pay role for local content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wankers think that 2k a day is justified to find out what every man and his dog already knows.</p>
<p>Another report to justify another hand out to the Australian Automotive Industry. The irony is that the Companies involved will continue down the same path regardless.</p>
<p>If this country wasn&#8217;t one big mine (thank god &amp; China) we would really be in the shitter. We start from the advantage point of being a first world country and we are slowly but surely loosing this advantage as our politicians and so called Captains of Industry all feed at the same trough.</p>
<p>Bracks and his elk are laughing at all of us as they go through the motions of another tax payer funded junket.<br />
How convenient another half a million or so in his kit after retirement.</p>
<p>And I bet the Korean and Japanese Captains are far more dedicated to their cause and are paid substantially less and are motived by national pride to succeed and hard work.<br />
Unfortunately Australian Management/ Executives do not know what hard work is.</p>
<p>We have adopted the American model where the people running the show have no allegiance to anyone or anything but their own greed.</p>
<p>Japanese and Korean Governments have worked with Industry from day one and the resultant success is one of national pride.</p>
<p>It easy to blame labor costs but is this an issue when Japan has a higher living standard and besides with robotics what they are the Automotive Industry is one of the least labor intensive industries today.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the Captains that we pay millions to via subsidy and the Politicians have let this Industry down over several successive decades. The writing has been on the wall for years and they haven&#8217;t had the competence to read it.</p>
<p>Toyota is far and away the most successful local manufacturer as it is run by Japanese Management. Forget the Australian management stooge&#8217;s that appear on our press. The real decisions are made by the real Japanese managers and the oz managers are kept on the pay role for local content.</p>
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		<title>By: BK</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its all slowly goin no name. Thank China for the cheap labour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its all slowly goin no name. Thank China for the cheap labour.</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BK you&#039;re talking cr8p. There will always be a Holden, a Ford and Mitsubishi others in Australia. Car Production has changed, Global platforms and engines, not necessarily designed and built in Australia, are the way the manufacturers have/will go. The badges will differ from Country to Country just like it happens now i.e.  Opel, Vauxhall, Holden. Even not allianced manufacturers will sell different cars based on the same platform using the same engines i.e. Suzuki and Fiat.

As for the investigation $2000 a day ain&#039;t a lot of money these days for top dogs. Surely the Australian people want to know where all the tax has gone with no results. If they are bright it won&#039;t take them long to suss out that Australia was/is making cars no-one wants in bulk i.e. Commodor, Falcon, Camry, 380; when they should have been making Astra, Focus, Corolla and Lancer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BK you&#8217;re talking cr8p. There will always be a Holden, a Ford and Mitsubishi others in Australia. Car Production has changed, Global platforms and engines, not necessarily designed and built in Australia, are the way the manufacturers have/will go. The badges will differ from Country to Country just like it happens now i.e.  Opel, Vauxhall, Holden. Even not allianced manufacturers will sell different cars based on the same platform using the same engines i.e. Suzuki and Fiat.</p>
<p>As for the investigation $2000 a day ain&#8217;t a lot of money these days for top dogs. Surely the Australian people want to know where all the tax has gone with no results. If they are bright it won&#8217;t take them long to suss out that Australia was/is making cars no-one wants in bulk i.e. Commodor, Falcon, Camry, 380; when they should have been making Astra, Focus, Corolla and Lancer.</p>
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		<title>By: Spitfire</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The announcement by the Federal Govt to appoint Steve Bracks to head the review into the Australian car industry is another blatant jobs for the boys. One would have thought that this was the responsibilty of the productivity commission but alas they have been shoved aside. 

Of course by appointing Bracks we all know what the outcome of the review will be. Continuing tariff&#039;s which will mean more expensive cars for Australians and bucketloads of taxpayer subsidies for the foreign owned car companies. If these bludgers can&#039;t survive without continuing assistance then they should be told to bugger off. This at a time when we have the Rudd razor gang slashing expenditure for other programmes.

I will repeat what I have said ad nuseam on this site, Australia can not support four manufacturers (now three). Any one who thinks otherwise needs a reality check. We may be able to support two. Which two that is, is of no import to me.


I am aware that I will be attacked by the usual suspects on this site but it will be like water off a duck&#039;s back. It is my money that is being used to subsidise these bludgers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The announcement by the Federal Govt to appoint Steve Bracks to head the review into the Australian car industry is another blatant jobs for the boys. One would have thought that this was the responsibilty of the productivity commission but alas they have been shoved aside. </p>
<p>Of course by appointing Bracks we all know what the outcome of the review will be. Continuing tariff&#8217;s which will mean more expensive cars for Australians and bucketloads of taxpayer subsidies for the foreign owned car companies. If these bludgers can&#8217;t survive without continuing assistance then they should be told to bugger off. This at a time when we have the Rudd razor gang slashing expenditure for other programmes.</p>
<p>I will repeat what I have said ad nuseam on this site, Australia can not support four manufacturers (now three). Any one who thinks otherwise needs a reality check. We may be able to support two. Which two that is, is of no import to me.</p>
<p>I am aware that I will be attacked by the usual suspects on this site but it will be like water off a duck&#8217;s back. It is my money that is being used to subsidise these bludgers.</p>
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