Toyota implementing GPS brake-assist

By George Skentzos | February 08th, 2008

It seems Toyota’s ultimate goal is for even the driver to become a passenger, having today outlined a system which will incorporate brake application into satellite navigation technology.

Using GPS data and a rear-mounted camera, the system will acknowledge an upcoming stop sign and calculate whether the driver has applied enough brake force to stop in time, if not the system takes over bringing the car to a halt.

Previously, Toyota has taken driving out of the hands of drivers with its self-parking system, which has achieved debatable success.

The typical GPS system in most cars is only accurate to around 15m, presumably this kind of technology would only be implemented on premium Lexus models where the high-end GPS software is accurate to within as little as 30cm.

The system is more than just a technological showcase, with Toyota set to release new models in Japan carrying the system in the near future.

Thankfully it appears as though the system relies on road markings unique to Japan, so it seems unlikely that it would make it into Australian spec vehicles.

Source: MotorAuthority

http://. Naughtyius Maximus

Well I need “NOT” to say how significant the R&D is at Toyota and Lexus. Setting the pace at the front of the queue…….now will be harder to stay there is only problemo!
Reckless1

“Setting the pace at the front of the queue”

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Where’s the best diesel engine in the world???

It’s not Toyota, that’s for sure.

But I forget how far in front Toyota is in F1, hahahahahahahahahahaha

You crack me up
realcars

Yeah, Toyota certainly knows their market. A car that drives itself would suit most Toyota owners I know to a T.
Ha,Ha.
realcars

If a washing machine or dishwasher can wash by itself then a car should be able to drive itself.
realcars

Toyota R&D section is crammed with white goods I bet. Te He.
realcars

Corolla (Fisher Paykel enhanced) smart drive for dummies.
Ha Ha Ha.
Andrew M

i remember reading some 10 years ago that mercedes was working on such technology as self parking cars and GPS systems that could not only sense a stop sign but also speed zones and correct the drivers speed.
i wonder how mercedes have let toyota take the lime light away from them???

the best one (and probably most usefull) feature that i read about ages ago, that hasnt shown its face is braking incorporated into the Cruise control system.
i thought that would have been the first!!!!

it uses sensors on the front of the car much like reverse parking sensors and it can calculate the speed you are travelling at and the distance between the object in front of you.
if it figures you are too close (ie tailgating) it will ease on the brakes to maintain a safe following distance. alternatively if you are distracted it saves the embarrassing rear end collision.
surely that would be more worthy of an introduction than a car that can park itself. a hell of a lot of accidents are rear end colissions.
if you cant park a car how the hell did you get your license.
also those who cant reverse a trailer are a good laugh
http://aca Tony Rodrega

I recall many dummies pulling the mickey out of Toyota for persuing hybrid technology but now it seems they are all coming onboard. This latest example will probably prove no different. You dummies will spend the next few years critising Toyota with such advancement but when Holden and Ford gradually come onboard in about 50 years time, all of a sudden it’ll be the greatest thing going.

Oh yeah, i believe nothing can possibly be more white goods then those Daewoo toasters sold by Holden. Toyotas white goods are made by Fisher and Paykel whereas Holden trash is made by non-other then Tiffany apprentices on a sunday.
Bavarian Missile

Tony R…………thing is they are more likely than not made at the same factory!Tiffany and Fisher and Paykel……..both crap anyway!hahaha

For real quality in white goods has to be Euro…….

Holden and Toyota now seem the same to me!hehehe
Bavarian Missile

Me can reverse a trailer……turn the opposite way you want to go and no problem!

Agreed Andrew…….I still do it in 3 turns!
Andrew M

do what in 3 turns?
whinge? ha ha ha ha
sorry just having a dig. wasnt in relation to anything butseriously what can you do in 3 turns?
you should be able to reverse park in 2 turns

i can reverse parallel park with a trailer in 2 turns!!!
suck on that
Bavarian Missile

hahaha……..lot of things.

Me never complains……….

Reverse park.

Stop at the side mirror,1]reverse till your rear meets theres and 2]swing so you dont hit the gutter {no idea what lock that is just do}stop before you hit the car behind you,3] straighten up and go forward! Easy……..

Suck on what???????hahaha So ya want a go then babe….hehehe

How big is it? …………………This trailer I mean……hahaha
Chaser

typical crowd – not surprised by the response.

Again I’ll say, if it were a euro company that did this, then it would be OMG they are so good, they did this, did that.. but soon as Toyota/Lexus is mentioned, out comes the inner euro wannabe bogan and begins the waste of online forum space.
http://aca Bilstein

Bavarian, don’t ever mention Holden and Toyota in the same sentance again. Holden is Daewoo, Toyota is Toyota.
Bavarian Missile

Gee bit different when its on a Holden or Ford blog isn’t it from the Toyota lovers……….why cant you just accept the facts…..!

Since when has BMW been bogan mate…….Lexus try hard Germans!

What a dumb system. Even BMWs park by its self system they had before this was a wank ………..

Just goes to show what sort of people buy these cars……..ones that can’t drive! Simple!
Bavarian Missile

Oh really……..Bilstein!

So you telling me all Toyotas are made in Japan then!hahaha

Didn’t think so!
http://aca Bilstein

What sort of people buy a Holden. Certainly carn’t be those who care about cars considering Daewoo is the new foundation of Holden.

I guess people who don’t give a wank about thier lives buy 2 star Holdens… simple!
http://aca Bilstein

Were did i say that. Buy a Camry or Aurion (or any other Toyota for that matter) and it is a Toyota. Sense when has Toyota Australia not been Toyota.

Buy a Holden and it could be anything ranging from a Holden, to Daewoo, Isuzu or Opel. Probably a Daewoo considering they make up the greater proportion these days – how sad.
Bavarian Missile

Did someone mention Camry………yawn…………..must be time for bed! Camry in Japanese must mean boring piece of…
Anthonii

This is the sadest case of Tall Poppie Ever.

Seriously wtf? This technology exceeds everything that any other car maker can do and we still want to crap on it, sound like a bunch of religous zealots talking about the devil in electricty.
Kiasu

It’s Toyota that’s why, and (some) people just can’t stand a company that produces cars for the main market with outstanding success. Yes I know it’s sad really, they can’t give credit when it’s due.
jamison

Well its simple really.

There’s the customers… reads brochures, listens to sales people, watches ads, reads internet specs, discuss their car(s) to other people… again customers.

From the manufacturer’s perspective… “Thank You for buying us and not the other guys”.

Simple no?

Then theirs the know hows… and as much as mechanics and technicians who work with cars know about..err.. cars. Its still whats printed on the manual… its post manufacturing… post design… post design review… post engineering…

My point… is.

As “some” have said, if this was announced by let’s say… Mercedes (and kudos to them love their cars)… or VW or even Audi etc…
People here will say “Wow, they’re really pushing the envelope”.

But when its a Toyota… its automatically “oh.. yeah but its redundant… its for people who cant drive”

98% of vehicle buyers are not enthusiasts… most who buy new cars have families… I can tell you this… from an engineering design side of things… You can come up with exciting, revolutionary design… but if it fails in the safety category… its useless…

Also, again, just a tid bit, do you people KNOW.. that coming up with an engine with high hp and torque is EASY… simple… very actually. But coming up with a more sophisticated engine or engine quality build… its much tougher. I know for a fact that there’s so many engineers right now working on very mass produce friendly hybrid engine systems… and safety features.. than performance enhancements… because hate to say it.. performance engines these days are actually going to die out… seriously.

If only I can show you guys comparisons. benchmark evaluation results on a lets say a Toyota to a GM produced car… and see it from an engineering perspective.. you’d actually either laugh or just think… geez now I get it.. now I understand why so and so is perceived that way.. and you’d ask a lot of questions too.. like “what were they thinking”…. “Thats not efficiently designed”…. “that has a 3 year life span”

haha.. oh geez… its actually comedic.
jamison

also Bavarian Missile

I know ur a fan of BMW..

but seriously…do you know how many ex-BMW/Audi/Mercedes engineers are working for Lexus now?

The Lexus design facilities and suppliers.. even assembly methods are pretty much the same as what you find in a euro luxury…

And once you actually realize how much the Body, chassis, engine build/design quality between them are very close… some lexus wins, some the bmw wins, some mercedes etc etc…. you’d realize that the price you pay for BMWs, mercedes, lexus to a lesser extent are incredibly inflated…. since I’ve been exposed to the behind the scene of the industry.. i wouldnt spend over 50K for a car, and thats AUD…

cars are really bad investments . Everyone should just lease a supercar for a week, trash it.. and call it a day… haha. But I understand some do like working on their cars come weekends and thats fair.. I do that too… hehe,
Lcat

wonder why the need for gps assisted braking for this particular scenario. does japan have a problem with lexus drivers failing to stop at junctions?
TP

Looks like Lexus are doing very well to overtake BMW and Mercedes etc… Ive said it before and I will say it again, with these other brands you are literally paying $50k for the badge, Lexus in the premium market offers better bang for your buck.
Wheelnut

Bilstein – Holden may be Daewoo BUT Toyota is also Daihatsu.
http://aca Bavarian Misiile

Holden in Australia stands for pieces of …
Wheelnut

When you buy a BMW Merc Audi or Porsche etc you are paying a bit extra for the Badge

As you do when you buy anything from: Nike Adidas Sony Ralph Lauren; Guess; BOSE; Armani; Oakley etc

But you are also paying a bit for the History/Heritage and Reputation..

Just as you do when one company buys and sells another..
http://aca Bilstein

Wheelnut, much unlike Daewoo, Diahatsu has a good name for building great little cars so you are getting at nothing. Toyota also owns Scion which just happens to be one of the best quality cars sold in the States. Facts still remain, Daewoo make up a good proportion of Holden these days and they are one of the worst quality cars sold anywhere.
Bavarian Missile

# Bavarian Misiile Says:
February 9th, 2008 at 7:35 am

Holden in Australia stands for pieces of …

Next time you wish to use my name try spelling it correctly first!

Oh and my anti spam word was “FORD” hehehe
Wheelnut

Bavarian Misiile [Feb 9th 7:35am] –

Bavearian MISIILE ? – yet again [I suspect] the Japanese [Lexus] pretending they are in the same class as the Germans [BMW].

Be wary of IMITATIONS!
Wheelnut

I know I also mis-spelt Bavarian.

My point was that the CA website remembers your name from the previous post/blog. therefore; its obvious that the statement by Bavarian MISIILE didn’t come from BAVARIAN MISSILE
http://aca Bilstein

That’s right, when you go to Holden beware of imitations otherwise you will find many of thier cars have limitations.
Wheelnut

I realise that BS but the crash test safety rating of a Daewoo Barina or Viva would be pretty much the same as that of a Daihatsu Charade..

what is it with Toyota fans and their obsession with ANCrAP Crash Safety tests?

However; there are a number of people who buy Charades or Vivas not because of their “Safety Rating” but because its what best suits their needs like going to/from shops or more importantly its what/all they can afford.
RoFlmaTiC

[commence sarcasm]

Yeah this technology is friggen useless, the only people who need it can’t drive.

Airbags and seatbelts are for idiots that crash in the first place.

ESC is for idiots that dont drive to the conditions and lose control.

Satnav is for people who can’t read street maps.

[end sarcasm]

I hope none of you guy’s ever get T’d by someone doing a stop sign. That would just be too poetic.

Who cares if Toyota have technology to help with parking? Have you guy’s ever been behind some moron who can’t park and wasted so much time waiting?

youtube.com/watch?v=qUKtzCfd1RY
youtube.com/watch?v=KSLbzHlaFlQ

If you don’t require this sort of stuff in your car, then great, don’t buy a Lexus. However, I guarantee you that there will be people, many people, who will buy the lexus cars exactly for safety features like this. With the profit margins of these cars around double that of non-luxury cars, Lexus will (no it IS) making huge profits.
http://aca Bilstein

Wheelnut, what is it with Holden and Ford people with thier obsession with Commodores and Falcons.
Andrew M

RoFlmaTiC,
have you ever been behind a person who cant use technology and hence cant figure out how to get the car to reverse park itself?
the same statement can apply to those who cant reverse park to start with and those that cant get a car to park itself.
actually i think you will find that people themselves know when they can reverse park and will keep circling until they find a double park negating the need to reverse.

i do say well done to Lexus who appear to be set to be the first to put it to mass use though.
the only thing is i would prefer the cruise control braking system that i outlined earlier.
then i would say WOW thats really worth while

reverse parking would simply be a novelty item. it sounds nice and gooey in the sales room but i question the real benefits of it.

this stop sign braking is getting there though. now how long till it also covers speed zones????????
Andrew M

Blisten,
i could even answer that question, but i know the only reply i would get is but toyota does really well in surveys and ford and holden dont.

do you really want to hear why i keep fronting up to buy falcons? or will i be wasting my time?
RoFlmaTiC

At least the lexus parking should reduce the number of car park accidents if it was widely implemented. (Well you’d hope so).

I’ve seen a guy attempt a forward park and crunch the car next to it. Me and 3 friends saw it all, this guy gets out and hes looking at us, trying to convince us that he didn’t contact the car. Hahaha denial.
Wheelnut

Nice comeback BS [note sarcasm]

At least we love our cars for what they are and don’t have to refer to any surveys or tests to back up how good they are..

Tests which are performed under controlled conditions and don’t allow for any external real world factors such as road surface weather conditions.

For starters the lab where the tests are done has a polished cement floor which would provide very little grip

And the cars are pulled towards the obstacle via a high powered winch whilst it runs along a straight track
thereby not allowing for any form of evasive action to be taken inorder to avoid the telegraph pole or rear of the truck.. action such as braking or swerving which I assume most drivers would at leat attemt to do

It would be more relevant if they could rig up a system where at a certain point the brakes are applied be it via remote control..

Which is why I am rather sceptical of the results of the ANCrAP tests particularly aftre the reports concerning the tests between the VE Commodore and the Aurion
Bavarian Missile

I need to get a life -_-
http://aca Bilstein

Andrew – you will be wasting your time.

Would i be wrong to suggest that most mod cons in cars today would simply be novelty items. As long as manufactuers have covered thier bases by suppling the market with safe and reliable transport, everything else crammed into a car these days are exactly that – novelty items and nothing more so i don’t undertsand what you are trying to achieve, if anything at all.

Do we really need novalties such as CD players and stackers, cruise control, climate control, electric windows, trip computers, GPS (what about a good ole referdex), sunroof, remote keys and may the list endlessly continue.

The answer to that is obviously NO, but we have them because we the consumers enjoy such luxuries. You personally may not like mod cons such as self-parking and GPS brake assist but Toyota would likely be on the boil to suggest that a market does (or could) exsist.

What i find amusing about this conversation is that the odds are in the approaching years all these will most likely become standard features in cars such as ABS, ESP, BA, EBD, airbags and so are predominately today and when they do, the same individuals will then praise the likes of Holden and Ford for employing such luxuries and i believe i won’t be far from the truth to suggesting that.

Lets take hybrid technology for example. For years companies like GM and Ford critised Toyota for strongly persuing such tech but now it appears they are now trying to play catch up – why is that exactly. Basically, Toyota’s foresight was years beyond that of GM, Ford and just about everybody else for that matter with exception to Honda off course.
http://aca Bilstein

Wheelnut, NCAP tests are the only official tests that we the consumer have to guage the safety ratings of vehicles today and they most certainly provide the market with a much more accurate indication then the opinions of individuals of which are all to often wrong.

What evidance do you hold to suggest that a Holden or Ford would be a safer car in real life accidents then say a Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Hyundai etc because as far as i am concerned – they probably won’t be. Infact, an Aurion could just aswell prove to be a better car then a Commodore or Falcon by all accounts.

Lets take the provoked Kluger roll-over for example. The good that came from that apart from Toyota proving that Wheels recollection of the incident was bullsh*t according to the downloaded information from the ECU, but the structual integrity and effectiveness of the pretensioners were highlighted.

The article also went to say that Toyota’s ABS calibration is now amoung the best that can be found anywhere in the world. And lets not pass up the fact that Toyota’s Safe-T-Cell is a regarded and globally recognised structure including the fact they do exhibit all the safety mod cons and ratings to support thier vehicles.
Bavarian Missile

# Bavarian Missile Says:
February 10th, 2008 at 12:03 am

I need to get a life -_-

So that wasn’t me and you think I should get a life,Ill find out who you are quiet easily ……So I would suggest you take your own advice!
http://aca Tony Rodrega

Bilstein – very well stated. I noticed that Wheels didn’t reply to Toyota’s request and i bet they won’t either.

Wheels Februray 2008 page 55 :

A download of the ECU of the vehicle involved in the incident indicates a set of circumstances substantially different to those described by Wheels.

continuing on -

These days, whether in cars, planes or racing cars, operator recollection while important, is always balanced against the irrefutable evidance of telemetry.

We invite wheels to observe a proper ISO lane change (International Standards) compliance test – the test is should have preformed – and to report on the outcme.

* Were is that report and why haven’t we seen it.
matt

accurate to within 30cm? wow, scary
Steve

It was clearly the next step for the car to completely disconnect the driver from the experience. After all, the Corolla was already unattached to the everything that touches the road.

I know I sound harsh, but the truth usually does.

Steve
http://aca Joel

By all means the new Corolla has receieved many good write ups about it’s handling, refinement, quality and general egonomics bar it’s lack of ESP. Histories biggest selling car in the world, surely that carn’t happen easily.

I guess ones whole body would be completely disconnected if they got crash tangled in one of those ‘Holden’ Barina’s. But then again, anyone would have to be disconnected to buy a Daewoo from Holden in the very first place.

Do you buy aged old cars with no driver aids or comfort features so you can feel connected and don’t give a stuff about the safety of yourself or more importantly, that of other motorists because only a drongo would.
realcars

If the car drives itself u may as well catch a train.

Technology to make sure u don’t tailgate etc what a wank. Protecting idiots from themselves I suppose.

More Jap gimmicks for gimmicks sake. Leave it to the Euros to make the developmental break through and Toyota and the other Japs can copy as usual.

Toyota has read their market well as usual as you will find that most Toyota owners aren’t into the “driving experience” anyway.

Lexus is a rear wheel drive Camry/Aurion isn’t it?

Please don’t compare Toyota Lexus to BMW /Merc as u only show your ignorance.
realcars

Corolla histories biggest selling car what a load of shit!
The name corolla but nothing else as this thing morfs into something even more boring every five or six years.
Another Toyota MARKETING WANK and are they good at it. They should have kept the Corona nameplate for the Aurion /Camry for second place. Then again what a heap of shit the Corona was.
realcars

Toyota safety cell…yes well regarded by Toyota don’t u mean. With all the Toyota advertising spin, bullshit eventually becomes urban legend. Does Toyota factor in the height of their vehicles and what a Landcruiser would do to a Corollas safety cell in a collision. I think they need to focus on the important stuff rather than cars that drive themselves.
http://aca Joel

WRONG – Lexus is not a rear wheel drive Camry. Lexus is a Lexus. If you undermine Lexus then you are only demonstrating your ignorance.

If you have no understanding that more Corolla’s have been sold in the world then any other nameplate then you have demonstrated ignorance.

Wikipedia gives answers.

Important stuff – are you talking about competitive safety, mod con packaging, efficiency, horsepower, quality, reliabiliy, dependability, durability, comfort, refinement, fleet and vehicle diversity and reputation.

If you are then you ARE IGNORANT.

If you don’t recognise Toyota’s Safety T Cell then you are ignorant.

Have you thought about what a Landcruiser would do to a Barina. Has Holden thought about the carnage it’s 2 star Daewoo could create amoung young buyers. If they haven’t, then they are IGNORANT.

Your name should be REAL IGNORANCE.
Andrew M

Blisten,
you would be correct to say most mod cons are a novelty item.
when i first had a vehicle with cruise control, i used it more in the first couple of weeks than i had in the many years after.
CD Player……….well once again im not one for cd’s in the car. I’D rather listen to the radio for the better musicvariety and the comedy “Drive Time” shows.

trip computers are good/handy but i dont think you need more than one

GPS……..well i still use a refidex. I’d rather see the whole picture but it is great for couriers

self parking……..i can do it more quickly on my own, and well how often does one have to do it anyway?

i dont hate technology and gizmos by all means as i wouldnt have a car with out these……..

remote locking (it sucks leaning over to unlock the passenger)

power windows (once again it sucks leaning over to wind down the passenger window and also dangerous whilst driving)

then there are the gizmos that arent novelty items
ABS
EBD
DSC
SRS etc etc
yep safety stuff

so power windows and remote locking isnt a novelty item as every one who has them uses it.
how many people do you see with a remote still throw the key in the door?
Bavarian Missile

Me like realcars………hehehe

Who is Joel? You new here or going under a new identity? Im thinking your not the same Joel that was living in Canada I was talking to last year about BMWs and Mercs?
TP

Hahahaha Joel you are on fire. These people are ignorant.
Josh

TP, agreed “too simple, sometimes naïve”
Anthonii

realcars: \”More Jap gimmicks for gimmicks sake. Leave it to the Euros to make the developmental break through and Toyota and the other Japs can copy as usual.\”

Dude,

Firstly: do you call esp protecting idiots aswell?

Secondly: how do you come to the notion of a company inventing a new technology as coping?

Thirdly: With further development this could lead us into a new age of cars.

For example you could whack a GPS in the car in front and if that has to emergency brake, it could brake for you so you don\’t run up some idots bum because they felt like slamming on the brakes to save a birdy on the #@$#@ highway!
RoFlmaTiC

Realcars said: “Please don’t compare Toyota Lexus to BMW /Merc as u only show your ignorance.”

Yeah it would be ignorant to compare those brands. After all the Lexus LF-A lapped the Nurburgring a good 20 seconds seconds faster than the best BMW/Merc offerings so it would be totally unfair to compare them.
Toyota Propaganda

The Paid Toyota scammers are still here and multiplying!

And you’re as transparent as anything.
realcars

Joel should marry TP and live happily ever after driving into the sunset in matching widebody Camrys. Ha Ha Ha.

Lexus use Camry platforms it’s a fact. Rear drive is reserved for the rich i.e Lexus and good luck to them too even if they have taste in their arse.

I’ll make it simple for Joel and TP.
ESP = GOOD THING, ABS = GOOD THING
CARS THAT DRIVE THEMSELVES = PUBLIC TRANSPORT.
Get the idea?

The point I made about the Corolla is that every second or so Corolla morf bears no relation or DNA to the previous model. The name is the only thing that hasn’t changed.On the other hand the VW beetle was not that far removed from how it originally started out. The Beetle is a deserving recipient of this tittle not the Corolla.

And didn’t u know that any dickhead can contribute to Wikipedia even one eyed Toyota fanatics!
realcars

Anybody know how the Corolla Safe T Cell (get it Safety then T for Toyota) would go up against the Landcruiser Safety T Cell in a collision?
RoFlmaTiC

Realcars, read the article again.

Actually look to the top of the screen at the name of the window. “GPS brake assist”.

“Assist” – it doesn’t drive for you. You try to distort the crucial point to something it isn’t ie. “cars that drive themselves”, then argue against that and claim victory. That’s called the “straw man argument” and you can read up on wikipedia here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man. Off course anyone can write up stories on wikipedia. You’ll find small numbers after the sentences though, these are called footnotes, and articles that don’t have footnotes to substantiate the facts are deleted.

I doubt your hypothetical corrolla vs landcruiser test has been conducted so off course noone knows what would happen. Here’s a tested hypothesis for you though, the corolla would be in much better shape that a Holden barina.
realcars

What is the Lexus version? Safety L Cell?

Remember the Toyota Crown or would u rather forget? It was a nut and bolt copy of 50′s 230 Merc.

Well guess what their at it again. Not as blatant this time around but I guess imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.I suppose most Lexus owners don’t mind if their ride is confused for a Merc.
TP

I wouldnt worry RoFlmaTic Realcars is an idiot… I doubt he even drives a real car, my bet is he still drives his matchbox cars around the sandpit.

You also made a good point made which this idiot neglects, these cars dont drive themselves… and at the end of the day Realcars being an ignorant person he is doesnt realise that certain cars Lexus sell are aimed at people who will be interested in these features.

P.S How hot is the IS-F… now that is a REALCAR!
realcars

Is a gimmick to showcase Toyota’s technological prowess rather than a worthwhile real world contribution. The Japs are expert at taking technology(developed by Yanks or Euros) and giving it a consumer application worth wile or not.

I would be more concerned about that Landcruiser zeroing down on your Safety T Cell.
TP

Or a Ford explorers roof collapsing in a mild rollover?
realcars

I told u that u guys are mean’t for one another. Ha Ha Ha.

Yeah only Toyota matchbox cars!Ha Ha Ha

You guys should talk to your respective fathers and see if u can borrow the keys to the Widebody. U could park out the front of a Toyota dealership and get to know one another.
realcars

Straw man. I think u might be confusing that with the Scarecrow factor.
realcars

Where’s Jamison he would know!
RoFlmaTiC

Wow another straw man argument. Suppose all of the readers of this site have come to expect this from you.
Andrew M

you mean the ford explorer that has faired better in past crash results than the landcruiser? is that the same ford explorer you are talking about TP?
http://AustralianCarAdvice Bilstein

Realcars, not only are you displaying a complete lack of maturity but any sense of fairness and reasoning but that is OK because it is yourself who is stooping to low levels which is historically expected from most Holden/Ford fans when they have little remaining puff.

Sometime back you may recall video footage comparing the Euro NCAP crash testing of a Yaris and a Holden Barina.

While the Yaris faired extremely well with damage restricted to the frontend only, the Barina also suffered a partially collapsed roof and a buckled floor (chassis) that pertruded into the passenger cabin.

Just goes to prove the structural and crash integrity of these to direct competitors with one of them rated at 5 stars and the other at a dismally low 2.

I would be much, much, much more concerned about a Cruiser zeroing down on a Barina.

Andrew – is that the same Explorer that killed 279 people in the US because of roll-overs.