Ford possibly testing new twin-turbo V6
8 Feb, 2008
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After a recent outing in country Victoria, one of our photographers happened to have his equipment on him when he spotted what is believed to be Ford’s new twin-turbo V6 testing in a BF Falcon mule.
Although we can’t mention the car our photographer was in – to keep their anonymity – it was a quick, V8-powered vehicle capable of getting to 100km/h from a standing start in around five seconds.
The photographer described how this mule was pulling away from them at full throttle in second gear. The photographer also described the noise as being quite loud and certainly that of a turbocharged car, they mentioned that it sounded different to the inline six currently used in the Ford range. This hints at the new twin-turbo unit being tested in time for the 2010 cut-off of Ford’s venerable 4.0-litre inline six .
The twin-turbo version of the Duratec ‘Cyclone’ engine is suspected to produce over 310kW, bringing the turbocharged monster in line with products on offer from HSV.
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February 8th, 2008 at 10:07 am
*****PRIMO!*****
Yeap, the show must go on!!
The V6 [thanks for catching up!] will have better performance than the V8, and if they can get that cyl. shut down system to work, close to 4cyl economy =
Win x Win situation!!
[Running on LPG of course!!]
Cheers
F-0
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February 8th, 2008 at 10:10 am
I heard rumours from a contact at Ford that it will definately be 300kW, maybe more. But they wouldn’t say any more. Interesting times ahead!
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February 8th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Good to see Ford is moving forward, who would have thought!
I get the feeling Ford may tune their yank V6 more effectively than what Holden did with the alloytec V6.
Bring on 2010.
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February 8th, 2008 at 10:35 am
As a true blue blooded fan the whole thing with going V6 has really shit me… Would it really cost that much to modify the current inline 4.0 to meet Euro5 emissions in 2010? From what i believe its only software. . I certianly doubt that this V6hit will not have the capabilities of the Inline 4.0. I.E Peak Tourqe @2000Rpm? Be able to do a million clicks whithout touching it? Apart from a diesel, what engine does that?
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February 8th, 2008 at 10:37 am
oooooooooo baby!
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February 8th, 2008 at 10:43 am
remember how weak the head and head gasket can be after about 200,000klm on the current inline 6cyl. When you attach cast iron to alloy it creates problems.
This V6 will be even better for reliability…
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February 8th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Pulling away in second… uhh
That thing is going to be nuts with how people are already modifying the XR6T and pulling numbers of 400rkw being pretty common.
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February 8th, 2008 at 10:50 am
EB-EL were common for that problem, but as for AU - Currnet i havnt really heard many head gaskets go. Perhaps thats why in AU onwards they used a multi Layer metal gasket. I know my unlces (recently retired) AU EGas Cab, is sitting on 978,000 clicks. Only thing thats been opend on that engine is the Sump plug and the oil Filler Cap. Its also gone through 4 autos!
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February 8th, 2008 at 10:53 am
As to KC’s comments.
I have spent a grand total of $4,800 (most of that went onto the auto to stregthen it) on my 04 XR6 turbo. In return i got 320rwkw and and 11.40 down the quater. i tow a trailer and tools with it every day and its never let me down
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February 8th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Gas coverted falcon inline 6cyl engines don’t suffer as many head/gasket related issues as petrol buring engines.
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February 8th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Interesting…
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February 8th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Frugal One if you think a twin-turbo V6 with cylinder deactivation will get figures anywhere near a four cylinder engine then you are dreaming mate.
The additional backpressure from the twin turbo setup coupled with the need to push two left-over pistons and conrods means you should be happy if it gets just 6 cylinder economy.
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February 8th, 2008 at 11:43 am
That’s a fpv rear bar on that car,maybee fpv will get the engine first,maybee for a special model.cross ya fingers!
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February 8th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Damo,
You should swap the tools for an engineering degree and learn about why the V6 will trump the inline 4.
The stock V6TT would digrace a Turbo XR6 with $5k work.
A Kawasaki ZX-10R does 10.5’s…
Stop dreaming.
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February 8th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Or maybe its just somebody who put an FPV bar on their XR6T? …still waiting to get it painted
You can tell by the taillights its a BA. And as for the performance? Flash tune and some minor mods will make it easily sound/perform the way as described.
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February 8th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Damo, from what I have read it would take a lot more than just software to bring the old I6 up to scratch with furute emissions regulations. The new regs require much, much fewer emissions when the engine operates while its still cold, just after start up. Engines operate at their cleanest when they’re fully up to temp, and Ford have said that the iron block I6 takes much longer to get up to temp than an equivalent alloy block engine, and redesigning the engine to have an alloy block would have cost far more than picking up an existing alloy block engine from overseas.
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February 8th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Doesn’t anyone realise the I6 FPV Typhoon has current numbers of 270kW plus….wait for it 550nm and that is low pressure compared to other turbo charged cars currently on market. V6 is a V-puffball….won’t ever get close to same torque with similar work to current I6. It is the saddest thing I have ever witnessed ditching the I6 for V6.
Maybe give it 4 turbos and then we can talk!
Cheers, Westy.
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February 8th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Lets hope Ford stand by it’s word that any replacement V6 engine will not be a backward step from the current power levels the inline 6cyl produces.
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February 8th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
The gold metal tag on the top LHS of the number plate means it is a Ford Australia company car!!! So probably not just a modified privately owned car.
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February 8th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
correct
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February 8th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
It’s not only emissions, it’s also cost that killed the I6, and with annual production of the engine down to 40-50,000 per year it was inevitable that Ford Australia was going to have to back on to the US volume of an engine that will be produced in much greater volume than that.
It’s like winding back the clock really, as the original 1960 Falcon used an American engine which was later dropped by Ford US. Ford OZ developed it into the fabulous engine it is now, but for all the reasons highlighted in this blog it now has no future. Tragic.
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February 8th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
What makes him think this is a test car? Just because it was very quick and had a different rear bar on it doesnt mean we can all assume that it MUST be the new v6 TT. Probably just another worked up ba xr6t blowing away a Clubsport. Clubsport driver thinks the world has turned upside down as he has been beaten and assume it must be something special - a v6 tt. Dont believe any of it.
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February 8th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Westy - do you seriously believe the new v6 tt will run a 11.6 from the factory? Silly comment and i dont see the relavance of the Kawasaki time. Damo - With under $5k spent that is a very quick car. Dont think too many other cars would respond as well with the same mods.
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February 8th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Sorry Westy - comment should have been directed to Oo-Ee.
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February 8th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Pliers…
I agree, i don’t think this has the TTV6 at all, but it is a test vehicle from Ford.
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February 8th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I doubt it would really be a V6 just because it’s pulling away. It’s a BF XR6T with GT bumpers been tested with Orion XR6T/F6 tuning.
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February 8th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
It’s going to be good a v6 twin turbo it will kick ass, with a few mods look out HSV nothing from red will come close to it.
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February 8th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
LOL @ Pilers, thats good!! I must be lucky as my motor must have been put together on a wednesday rather than a monday or firday… My mates xr6t spat a rod @ 272RWKW
WESTY = Im with you all the way
Oz = Im with you all the way also
Oo-Ee = In a nutshell, your a dumb Cant
Mada = Ive never heard of LPG and Petrol fueled cars making a difference with doing head gaskets
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February 8th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
SWEET MOTHER OF MOSES….WHO CHEEE MUMMA! YEAH!
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February 8th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
For starters, it only has the single 2.25″ exhaust outlet - Same as XR6 N/A.
I tried to zoom in on the pic to see if there was another exhaust tip anywhere but couldn;t see it.
I can’t see them testing the V6TT with only a single 2.25″ exhaust (unless they have cut the other tip at the rear muffler to confuse us all…
Hmmm….
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February 8th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Haha love the speculation that arises from something that could very well not even be the twin turboed V6
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February 8th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
TP…………FYI………..FORD are running a few different mules out there at the moment so don’t think its speculating!
Ross baby you have your sources…..you heard of this one?
I have heard of the blown 5.4 getting around so this wouldn’t surprise me!
Me will check mine!
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February 8th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I believe the new V6 Ford wil be using in the Falcon in 2010 is part of the DuraTec range.
Dura - Durable which implies that it will be able to be built in a number of forms and capacities etc just like the Holden V6 which is also able to accept a twin Turbo option [TT-36 Torana]
Therefore; it makes sense for the engineers at Ford to be testing a Twin Turbo set up just as they are at Holden.
I too have heard about a Blown 5.4 Prototype Falcon as well as a Small Block Holden/HSV getting around
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February 8th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Really darling…….where did you hear that.xxx
HSV……..? BMW dont put blowers on their cars….hehehe
Still love me? Guess so!
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February 8th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
I heard about the Falcon at a Car Show that I went to late last year. I read about the Small Block Holden as HSV are looking at a new entry level model probably using the New Cadillac Northstar V8
BMW Don’t use superchargers I know but could you imagine how potent their cars would be if they did?
Allways.. ox
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February 8th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Smoothy……..
Im sure you like others injection is fine but you would rather be blown…….hahaha
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February 8th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Ross,
i initially thought i could see a second exhaust tip.
on closer look i still think it is too hard to see whether or not a 2nd tip is there
TP,
welcome to a discussion where fans of a particular make are actually enthused about a prespective product that may be offered.
now you have discovered what being enthused in a vehicle is, you can run back and tell your toyota buddies what they must talk about in their cubby house meetings.
you are of course welcome to stay as long as you dont start with the usual bagging of a product you know nothing about apart from the results of an “opiniated” survey
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February 8th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
sorry back on track………..
i dont know too much about twin turbo set ups but can someone tell me if assuming that they can tune one turbo to kick in at lower revs while the other kicks in at the typical range with the “lower range” helping through the mid range but leaving the second tuned for top end is right?
wow that sounds confusing………ill simplify it.
is it possible to tune 1 turbo for low to mid range and the other for mid to high range? would it be right to assume that?
if so i would suggest that the low rev range power and torque the I6 has may be covered by better tuning of the turbos. also it would have less lag and in return much better pick up and delivery right through the rev range
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February 8th, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Damo,
i have been dying to talk to someone who tows with an XR6T.
i am actually thinking about the XR6T but was worried about the extra stain on the cooling system etc.
how much do you reckon you tow?
and how hard do you drive it when you tow?
how many K’s have you towed in it?
your input would be appreciated mate………….
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February 8th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
i dont know if it is possible to une the turbos for different rev ranges, but i do no that bmws tt 6 has 1 turbo smaller than the other. thus it spins faster earlier so there is more boost in th low rpm
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February 8th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
also i read in the courier mail (qld) that the orions technical and engineering specifications were meant to be released yesterday, but still no word… spam word toyota
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February 8th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
BMW do use blowers BM on guess what…..diesels whhaaaayyyy!!!!!
twin turbo sound like a lot fun. Could almost be a hooner with one of those.
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February 8th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Not superchargers Mr Tongue…….hahaha Hairdryers!
You know that bit that holds your tongue to the bottom of your mouth…….na wont tell you!
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February 9th, 2008 at 12:13 am
For all I know it could be a Vicroads bloke who is checking up on the roadworkers ahead of him.
Vicroads have ditched the Camrys & Priuses for BA XR6 turbos with the two tone bumper bar effect as per the Territory & going undercover with civilian number plates.
Makes as much sense as most of the comments above…
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February 9th, 2008 at 6:47 am
Anyone else spot the laptop on the dashboard in front of the passenger seat??
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February 9th, 2008 at 7:33 am
Andrew Toyota folk were enthused by the TRD… but then you get Ford fairies trashing the blogs dont you! Im sitting back and laughing at all the speculation here, you fairies cant even speculate about the Orion with people saying ‘oh FPV will be 350kw’ or ‘XR8 will be in excess of 300kw’, Im sure then that all this speculation will be highy accurate given you cant determine what a car in 1 year will be yet you think you can tell what a car in 4+ years is going to have! Its just fluff thats being said here.
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February 9th, 2008 at 7:54 am
At the moment there is al ot of speculation about the Orion Falcon but it will have a better chance of handling 280-300-320 hell even 360Kw than the Aurion
Having said that I admit that the TRD isn’t really a direct rival to FPV or HSV However; the fact it has the TRD Perfromance badge on it means that some people will want to make such a comparison
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February 9th, 2008 at 8:06 am
TP…….you calling all people that don’t like the TRD FORD FAIRIES?
Interesting!
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February 9th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Capt. you are correct.
The numbers dont add up, together with the current exchange rate, its far cheaper to import a newer more hi-tech donk then to try to bring the IL6 into the new millenium.
Good riddence to the head-gasket blowing IL6
PS GM/H already have a twin turbo 6 in its range, i believe it may be used by SAAB or some other GM brand.Holden can fight back IF REQUIRED!
Cheers
F-0
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February 9th, 2008 at 8:33 am
No BM I call the Ford fairies the Ford faries.
Wheelnut I doubt it, given they cant make a reliable V8 with 290kw dunno how they could do it with 360kw!
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February 9th, 2008 at 9:04 am
TP - you need to remove your head from your rectum and see the light of day, if you believe Ford cant build a reliable performance V8. Try venting your ignorance to the NSW Highway Patrol - for whome the XR8 is a favoured presuit vehicle ( I think they might now a little more than you! I have owned late model XR8’s since 2000, and unlike some - keep my ears and eyes well and truely open - have absolutely no experience of any reliability issues.
Try something different - and deal with reality!
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February 9th, 2008 at 9:14 am
AndrewM and Sean:
Yeah those turbo setups are sequential turbos. A lot of twin turbo cars have it, it reduces turbo lag.
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February 9th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Well I guess twin turbo cars dont have them, (duh) i meant a lot of cars with 2 turbos have them
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February 9th, 2008 at 9:16 am
TP…sorry i must had forgotten Toyota sells a V8 to line up with Ford and Holden?
I can’t recall the modle sorry.
Reliability issues with Fords 5.4V8? i had forgotten about that too…
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February 9th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Pliers is spot ON - “Probably just another worked up ba xr6t blowing away a Clubsport. Clubsport driver thinks the world has turned upside down as he has been beaten and assume it must be something special - a v6 tt. Dont believe any of it.”
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February 9th, 2008 at 10:14 am
It would be good if
it was turbocharged &
supercharged
ie: VW Golf GT.
Now that would be
something to
get excited about
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February 9th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Personally I used to have a thing for new Audi S5 (especially the silver/grey). Not anymore - this thing sounds waaayyyyy faster…
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February 9th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
yes TP,
pull the other one.
what are you doing here then?
not trying to trash an Orion blog again??
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February 9th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
What got me wondering is what ford is going to call this orion?
BG? BH? BI? BJ? (wouldnt that be nice :P) BK?
I’m guessing BG?
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February 9th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Because it’s called “Orion”, maybe they will go into the O’s….
….”We now present the “OK” Falcon”
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February 9th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
TP it’s just that because of its simpler design [less moving parts] its easier to get more power from a Pushrod engine - be it V6 or V8 than it from one with Double or even Quad Cams.. Which could explain why Ford is looking at switching over to Pushrods.
What makes you say the V8s are unreliable Because I seem to recall an engine in a particular “performance car” {and I use the term loosely] seizing and catching fire.. but I don’t think it was an FPV….
Plus the new “F1 inspired” V6 in the Aurion produces 200Kw - thats 10Kw more than the Antique Holden V6.. Yet If the Aurion V6 is that much more superior than surely they would have been able to get more than 200Kw out of it.. Afterall Subaru manage to get approx 200Kw out of a 4cyl Boxer
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February 9th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Hahah Steve and they would get a discount on those XR8s either would they? And I guess they keep them for the life of the vehicle? Typical idiot.
Wheelnut I have nothing against the DOHC V8, the Ford unit is superior to the Holden pushrod… but they are still both not noted for their reliabilty or refinement. As for Aurion thats because its not just about power, as BF and his tossing about aftermarket tuning noted you can extract alot more power out of stock engines, but they lose fuel efficiency… all cars come with fuel efficiency in mind
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February 9th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Bear in mind though Wheelnut, that the holden engine is 3.8L compared to 3.5L
Can’t really compare the Subaru engine because it’s turbocharged, apple’s and oranges.
Still the 2GR-FE aurion engine is no match for some of BMW’s offerings… the 3.2L old m3 engine comes to mind.
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February 9th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
RoFlmaTiC,
3.8L commodore engine?????
gee get with the times mate!!!!!
its been a 3.6L for a little while now
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February 9th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
LOL. The Buick V6 was 3.8L and the alloytec is 3.6L
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February 9th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Well then it’s hardly antique
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February 10th, 2008 at 2:09 am
Great to hear that fords going to have some sting in the tale with a new motor and twin turbo. I know from good sources that Holden have had a twin set uo testing for quite a while with some new direct injection addition. Will be a good line up but ford will get there first in 08 with this type of set up.
Hopefully ford later will have a look at its v8 as it lacks some sting down low but revs good but costs a packet with twin cam heads to modify outside of the usual breathing options.
By the way seen the new model on the monash freeway a few times and have to admit it looks very similair to a VE body.
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February 10th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
LOL i love all this speculation…
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February 10th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
wheelnut … Toyota’s 2GR-FE is a far superior engine then that useless alloytech. Not only is it more powerful yet frugal - it is a much, much, much smoother and quieter engine that doesn’t vibrate itself from the mounts when revved hard. I would place a bet that it would be a far, far, far more reliable and dependable then any Holden engine would ever hope to be.
The 3.5 V6 is far superior aided by much better attention from engineering then Holden displayed with that poor excuse of an engine called ‘alloytech’ which Should have been called ‘craptech’ or ‘vibetech’.
The old Camry 3.0 v6 that came out in the early 90’s is still smoother, quieter and more refined then Holden’s late alloytech. What has happened to Holden engineering - did they forget move forward past handling because that’s what seems to have happened.
Oooh yeah … that is a 4 cyl forced inducted performance tuned boxer engine you are talking about compared to a regular normally aspirated engine - right. Pretty bloody sad when people have got to stoop so low.
LadyFlo … the direct injection version of the 2GR-FE that is utilised in various versions from Lexus are more then enough for competition against BMW offerings. It is a wonderful engine.
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February 10th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Holden will come back with a more powerful V8 and will bring out a turbo! (I hope they do!)
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February 10th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Wonder when they will start calling this…………………………. ONION!
Cheers
F-0
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February 10th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
To anyone who thinks its just a worked XR6, its not have a look at the number plate. That small tag in the top left corner means it is a Ford test vehicle. It’s prolly an engine mule for FPV’s 300kw orion F6…
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February 10th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
frugal one,
people will start calling it “onion” the instant it hits the road as it will bring tears to the eyes of many holden fans (like an onion) as they disappear in its mirror
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February 10th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
HA HA Andrew! Onion because it’s sad for Holden.
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February 10th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
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February 10th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
If the new Skyline is a V6TT then it’s good enough for the XR6 Turbo. Bring it on
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February 10th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Duck - I believe that Holden are strongly considering the possibility of a Twin Turbo V6 for both the Commodore and the Torana.
As for a bigger V8? apart from the LS-7 in the 08 Corvette.. there are reports that GM could be looking at reducing the capacity reducing the weight yet maintaining or increasing the power by switching over to a Quad Cam V8 similar to the Northstar V8 from Cadillac.. I know that HSV want the Northstar for a new entry model.
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February 10th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
HSV’s next engine update will be the LSIII.
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February 10th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
holden going to a quad cam???
well that would be funny for all the guys who say the ford V8’s arent as good because they are quad cam
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February 10th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Yeah that’s for the Clubbie and GTS
However there looking at a New Entry Level Budget Bang for Yoru Bucks Contender.. I’d prefer to see a TT-V6 model
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February 10th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
year of the Rat - what was it you were driving
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February 10th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Sorry Joel I have to agree with Wheelnut,that wasn’t low.. the 200kw 4 cylinder Subbie not normally inducted……I mean the TRD is a 6 with a hair-dryer and still only 241kws…….Your right about BMW though they are the leaders. 3.2 litres normally aspirated 250 kws…….now that’s what Im talking about.Toyota and Lexus not near it yet!
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February 10th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Andrew M
As to your questions with the XR6 turbo and towing, let me tell ya, its the best. I carry basic tools in the back (its a ute by the way) like levels, hammers, saws, etc. The bigger stuff i carry in the trailer like compressors and stuff. I havnt really had it on a weigh bridge, but im guessing at times it can be up to anywhere between 1200 - 1500kgs? And it does it like its having a shit… Few of the boys on site have XR8’s. They do good also, but the thing is they tend to use a few more rpm’s and chew a shit load of juice… As for heating issues, its fine. On a hot day on, with aircon and towing it’ll sit just under half.. Ive put an aftermarket tranny and oil cooler just to be on the safe side… Ive clicked over 130,000kms and its has a trailer on it since day one. During a working week, i set the flash tuner to tow mode, so its got awsome tourqe and rev it to a max of 2200-2500Rpm, i just let the tourqe pull the load. However, come weekend, trailer comes off, tools come out and the flash goes to perfomance and i try chase down as many Gen 3 and 4’s as i can.
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February 11th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Hey Damo……..where you been?
Who did your flash tune here in the West?
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February 11th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Andrew M
I also had a quick read over you comments on Twin turboing a I6
Theres 2 ways you can go about it. Firstly you could have twin of the exact same turbos i.e GT40’s. With this setup most of the bottom end will go however top end would be pant shitting stuff. This type of setup work well on a high revving motor like the RB26 on a GTR Skyline, or the 3.0 in the toyota supra. They have no bottom end but from 4500 to about 7000rpm the’ll pull the hair off your head.
The second way, (is my favourite way) and thats having a small and a big turbo. This setup is used in the US a fair bit on diesel performance for things like tracktor pulling competitions. What happens is the small turbo is set up to blow into the big turbo. The small turbo will spool up pretty much straight away and by the time that happens, the big on is on song. And you end up with the best of bottom and top end. This setup is used in the latest verson of the F truck..
As well as push up frames i do a fair bit on cars myself.. Ive just finnished a project with an XD running an AU 4.0, gas research and a turbo that weighs 32kgs next to it.
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February 11th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Bavarian Missile…
Nah mate im in Melb.
Blue Power does all my tunning for me
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February 11th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Oh….I just assumed this time you must be W.A……..
Not the same Damo then!
Geez babe its late there……so how many tunes did you get?
What sort of Dyno results have you got from it? Me Im no mate more a matess…….hahaha If you get my drift?
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February 11th, 2008 at 12:44 am
Bavarian Missile
Ha, i figured that you were thinking i was another damo.
Its almost 2 am here.
After a injector upgrade, Boss Valve springs, a custom intercooler and 14psi the end result was 320rwkw in performance mode and in normal its at 260rwkw.
Its good to see “Dudesses” getting into all of this
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February 11th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Tony,
Oh, nothing exciting…
And you?
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February 11th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
So my source tells me that more than likely is the V6 twin turbo……..cause Ford already have already developed a twin turbo for the V6……..so there ya go!
We still speculating TP?
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February 11th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
If ford does bring a more powerful vehicle range with the new orion, HOLDEN will fight back, cause there not going to let them stomp on them!
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February 11th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
That’s right Duck, it’s all about “Leap Frog” when a comapay makes a better car than their oppistion and later their oppistion comes out with an even better car, so that’s what’s happening with F0RD vs H0LDEN.
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February 11th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Duck,
yes mate but only when it comes to V8’s does the leap frog theory apply.
ford have been stomping on holden with their 6cyls for many years.
but as i said the V8 models are different. holden will respond to them for sure. they wont straight away but a couple of years down the track they will for sure
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February 11th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Damo,
thanks for your input mate.
i also lug a trailer of tools behind me every day so i guess im lugging the same weight. i havent actually weighed mine either but keep meaning to. i just havent been bored enough to take it to the local weigh bridge yet.
have you got the 6sp auto??
also what was your tune worth??
i was/am actually considering the XR6T so this is why i have a million questions. i hope you dont mind
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February 11th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Andrew M
All up ive spent $4800. 2000 or so of that wne on my auto to stregthen it (mines an 04 4spd auto). Ive got a mate who works in ford so i got the valve springs thru him for basically nothng, same with the cooler, again, i have a mate who is awsome with alloy welding so he made up my cooler (cost me a bottle of jimmy). Tuning all up including the flash was $1500. Injectors were 500. The Valve springs and injectors i fit myself so i saved myself a bit in labour there.
When the next model comes out, i’ll prob by the F6 version for work and ill take mine off the road, throw a C10 in it and do a full engine re-build.
Im more than happy to answer any of your questions!
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February 11th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
would you think the 6sp auto would need strengthening?
im pretty sure ford will fit the oilcooler as part of their heavy duty tow pack is that right?
have you done anything in the way of the intercooler?
what sort of economy do you get? not that that matters in performance cras but just interesting to note.
how does the economy compare when towing and not towing?
did you tow with it long before you added the mods?
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February 11th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Your right about ford fitting a separate tranny cooler with the tow pack, however the aftermarket products a far more superior in ways of cooling… If you were to modify yours as much as mine then no, i think the 6sp will handle it quite well, as long as it keeps cool, it will last.. AS for the intercooler, i custom made mine so that the outlets are opposite each other. To make it easy for you, just imagaine looking at the front end of an xr6T. The left outlet sits high and the right outlet sits low, reason being, so the whole cooler gets used, rather than the lower part getting all the pressure… Some say it dosent make a difference but if you think logically it would make a difference in cooling boost pressure… Ive moved the battery to the passenger side as ive got a pipe commign straight out of the turbo and a pod filter that sits just infront of the drivers side headlight…
As for towing, as soon as i picked it up from ford with a threw a trailer on it.. it towed awsome from day one, but it wasnt until the mods (which i did after the 1500km service) that how much better it could do.. I never got to get Before and after mod Fuel averages because it never botherd me to check. however, with the flash set on tow mode(260rwkw)and driving around 2200rpm around town ill squeeze around 420 kms to a tank. If im working far and its all freeway you can add another 120-150kms on top of that and im pretty happy with it. Again a 6sp should do better as it will use all the gears as it needs. When im not towing and the tub is empty and i set the flash to performance mode, haha, lucky to get 250kms out of the tank, but who gives a flying Fcuk
its all fun.
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February 11th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
YOTR - I thought you were the driver of the Ford mule?
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March 16th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
This is the V8 Boss with a single turbo FPV have been testing for some time, may be released in a limited number if the development goes ok.
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March 16th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Boss Turbo, how do you know that!
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March 16th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Turbo Boss????????? Naaaaa. This is a 6 Ford have already approved a turbo for that,have for a while .
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March 16th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Wheelnut my antispam word was Impreza……mmmmmwwwwaaaa
Make that twin-turbo……der…….
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August 27th, 2008 at 1:47 am
i doubt ford would be testing a V6 in that.. its a BA not a BF. inside of the tail lights r different
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August 27th, 2008 at 1:59 am
Umm they look like BF lights to me- and if I’m not mistaken thats a BF FPV rear fascia.
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August 27th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
YOUR ALL IDIOTS ahahahahahahaha
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September 12th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Joel, I am so overwhelmed by your passion for the “Alloytech” or “Craptech” engine that you refer to, produced by GM.. Please allow me to clarify a few minor things for you though, seeing as though you’ve taken no time what so ever to do your research and have taking the easier option of shooting your mouth off without knowing the facts… Those being; Firstly, you are correct about the ‘Harsh’ feeling of the “Alloytec”, but I seem to think that you haven’t realised that Holden hasn’t used Counterbalance shafts in this motor to iron out vibrations, unlike Toyota which does… God only knows what that would be like if it didn’t have them. Another few things I must ask is; Who has the superior torque… ALLOYTEC; Who has a FORGED STEEL CRANK and FORGED STEEL RODS…. ALLOYTEC; Which engine can achieve over 200kW’s without a Supercharger or Turbo Charger or for that matter getting it’s Tuning department involved… GM with the Cadillac CTS due for release later next month… producing over 240kW’s… did I mention that the engine used there was also an “Alloytec”?… Or as you call it, a ‘Craptech’. Pretty bad really, I always thought Toyota could’ve done better than GM, considering all their Japanese technology… But seems to me, they’re falling behind the 8 ball, even with their 240kW Supercharged TRD Aurion; Couldn’t they tweak it a little more without using forced induction??
Thanks for the constructive input Joel, it’s been muchly appreciated.. Also a word of advise, go back to the little hole you crawled out of and stay there… Holden’s and Ford’s are in a league of their own and that’s definitely a league Toyota could never be a part of!
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